Casino courtesy

[go noles]

That is just plain nonsense. By hitting in that situation, there is exactly a 50% chance that another player will benefit/be in the same position or be worse/be in the same position, by her action. The odds are the same regardless of her action.

 

Exactly, while I prefer to play at a table that everyone follows "the rules" it just doesn't matter. Reality is when a wrong play causes people to lose they blame the offender. When a wrong play causes them to win they chalk it up to their card playing expertise. Especially when the wrong play changes the shoe and they win five in a row

Edited March 31, 2015 by go noles

[Queen of Oakville]

Exactly, while I prefer to play at a table that everyone follows "the rules" it just doesn't matter. Reality is when a wrong play causes people to lose they blame the offender. When a wrong play causes them to win they chalk it up to their card playing expertise. Especially when the wrong play changes the shoe and they win five in a row

 

No, most will chalk it up to lady luck if a bad play results in the dealer busting.

[kenevenpar]

Exactly, while I prefer to play at a table that everyone follows "the rules" it just doesn't matter. Reality is when a wrong play causes people to lose they blame the offender. When a wrong play causes them to win they chalk it up to their card playing expertise. Especially when the wrong play changes the shoe and they win five in a row

 

Yup

[Karynanne]

Exactly, while I prefer to play at a table that everyone follows "the rules" it just doesn't matter. Reality is when a wrong play causes people to lose they blame the offender. When a wrong play causes them to win they chalk it up to their card playing expertise. Especially when the wrong play changes the shoe and they win five in a row

 

I also like to play at a table where there are somewhat experienced players, and everyone plays at the same expertise.

 

But I also like knowing that the person sitting at "third base", knows the game well. This person not only plays their own hand, but does have a responsibility to the other players at the table.

 

Now I know some of you won't agree with me...and you're entitled to your opinion, but that "third base" position can make or break a table's play.

[butterflymama]

How does the shoe know it is ruined:rolleyes:

 

LOL..

 

don't shoot the messenger.

 

They have some strange hang ups when it comes to gambling on DH's side of the family. I'll stick to making a small donation to the slots and move along.

[kenevenpar]

On Reflection, one lady was complaining about all the bad play, and how it was ruining her chances (she was complaining in a lounge, not at the table). I sat down at a BJ table, looked over and saw her split tens, and not DD on an 11. I smiled and winked at her, and she said she just had a feeling. Gotcha.

 

Her $300 vanished rather quickly.

[Queen of Oakville]

I also like to play at a table where there are somewhat experienced players, and everyone plays at the same expertise.

 

But I also like knowing that the person sitting at "third base", knows the game well. This person not only plays their own hand, but does have a responsibility to the other players at the table.

 

Now I know some of you won't agree with me...and you're entitled to your opinion, but that "third base" position can make or break a table's play.

 

Agreed. I've always referred to it as the anchor.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Queen of Oakville

[kenevenpar]

I also like to play at a table where there are somewhat experienced players, and everyone plays at the same expertise.

 

But I also like knowing that the person sitting at "third base", knows the game well. This person not only plays their own hand, but does have a responsibility to the other players at the table.

 

Now I know some of you won't agree with me...and you're entitled to your opinion, but that "third base" position can make or break a table's play.

 

Sorry, but there is no mathematical substantiation for that (unless they are counting). The likelihood that the next card is a ten (or any other card) is exactly the same (again assuming no counting involved). Anything else is just superstition.

[Queen of Oakville]

On Reflection, one lady was complaining about all the bad play, and how it was ruining her chances (she was complaining in a lounge, not at the table). I sat down at a BJ table, looked over and saw her split tens, and not DD on an 11. I smiled and winked at her, and she said she just had a feeling. Gotcha.

 

Her $300 vanished rather quickly.

 

Much to my hubby's dismay, I rarely double down, even with a dealer 4,5,6. I have no luck on double downs. BUT my refusal to part with more money has no impact to anyone else's game play.

 

but hitting or standing when you shouldn't, does impact the game play. I shake my head (and leave the table) when I see people stand on a 12,13,14,15,16 and the deal has a 7,8,9 showing. Sure, sometimes they win and that justifies their game play, but the majority of the time they have a losing hand.

[jagoffee]

OP, IMO he had no right to be upset. But it is part of the game. If you play often enough you will see it often.

 

The same strategy book that tells you based on odds you should alway stay with a 14 when the dealer has a 6 up will also tell you the play of another player has no impact on the odds of the dealer busting. We always have a hard time believing that one.

 

Of course in a five shoe continuous shuffle game I would never hit a 14 against a dealer 6 or split a 20 unless it was a tournament. But whether you do or not I know has no bearing on the odds of the dealer busting, but I still do not like it.

[kenevenpar]

Much to my hubby's dismay, I rarely double down, even with a dealer 4,5,6. I have no luck on double downs. BUT my refusal to part with more money has no impact to anyone else's game play.

 

but hitting or standing when you shouldn't, does impact the game play. I shake my head (and leave the table) when I see people stand on a 12,13,14,15,16 and the deal has a 7,8,9 showing. Sure, sometimes they win and that justifies their game play, but the majority of the time they have a losing hand.

 

Again, there is no mathematical justification, for either. DD, even against a ten, is the odds-on play; against a six it is significantly better to double. I agree that standing as described above can impact game play, but it is a 50%/50% better worse proposition.

[cruzsnooze]

Just returned from a fabulous Equinox 11 night cruise. I have one minor grievance - not caused by Celebrity but by a fellow cruiser.

 

I play Blackjack. I have for many years. I usually win - not a lot but enough to make it cheap entertainment. I enjoy playing at full tables as the fun is enhanced with a good group.

 

One night as I sat down to a table, another player got up and proceeded to lecture me on my gameplay. After lambasting me in front of everyone, he picked up his chips and left. His gripe was that I had called for a card when I had 14 and the dealer had a 6 showing.

 

I know that some people will never ask for a card in this instance - I, on the otherhand, sometimes will. I don't think it was his place to correct me. (I lost that particular hand, but it oould go either way).

 

I ended the cruise on the plus side. But I thought his actions rude and discourteous.

 

Melissa

I would have left the table because you don't know to play and ruin it for the table when you hit a 14 against a dealer 16 but it's your right to play so I wouldn't have said anything to you.

[kenevenpar]

OP, IMO he had no right to be upset. But it is part of the game. If you play often enough you will see it often.

 

The same strategy book that tells you based on odds you should alway stay with a 14 when the dealer has a 6 up will also tell you the play of another player has no impact on the odds of the dealer busting. We always have a hard time believing that one.

 

Of course in a five shoe continuous shuffle game I would never hit a 14 against a dealer 6 or split a 20 unless it was a tournament. But whether you do or not I know has no bearing on the odds of the dealer busting, but I still do not like it.

 

Exactly.

[go noles]

Sorry, but there is no mathematical substantiation for that (unless they are counting). The likelihood that the next card is a ten (or any other card) is exactly the same (again assuming no counting involved). Anything else is just superstition.

 

Yup.

 

But it does feel better.

[Melissa at Mohair Meadows]

The other player saw me draw to a 14 against a 6 ONCE. I do not make it a habit to do that. In this case, circumstances and logic led me to that decision. I do not make plays on 'feelings', but that could be a small percentage of the decision making process. Most of the time I do the dull, pendantic thing and follow the rule book .

 

My point was that I went against the book once and the player decided I was incompetent. I was glad to see him go.

[gsb]

The other player saw me draw to a 14 against a 6 ONCE. I do not make it a habit to do that. In this case, circumstances and logic led me to that decision. I do not make plays on 'feelings', but that could be a small percentage of the decision making process. Most of the time I do the dull, pendantic thing and follow the rule book .

 

My point was that I went against the book once and the player decided I was incompetent. I was glad to see him go.

 

What were the circumstances and logic? The deck(decks) most likely couldn't

have been that light to warrant hitting in that situation-assuming you were counting.:confused:

[gsb]

The perfect example of taking some larger risks would be doubling down or splitting cards when the dealer shows a six.;)

 

It's almost a "risk" if you don't double when you're supposed to(six being the dealer's worst up card)

 

I like to say, "blackjacks are nice, but if you win your doubles you will win."

[cruzsnooze]

The other player saw me draw to a 14 against a 6 ONCE. I do not make it a habit to do that. In this case, circumstances and logic led me to that decision.

 

Sorry but there is no logic hitting your 14 against a dealers 16. The other person was wise to find another table. Apparently you don't know there are more 10's and high cards in a deck which will bust the dealer and make everyone (who knew to stand on a low value hand) winners. You have an impact on the table when you bust on what should have been the dealers next card.

[Gonzo70]

Amazing how misinformed some BJ players are on this thread. the FACTS are that a player making "bad" decisions (based on the odds) is equally likely to "help" the table as they are to "hurt" the table. It also makes absolutely no difference which position they are seated in. Yes, it effects the shoe and the outcome, but the impact is equally likely to help versus hurt others at the table. It in no way changes your chances of winning versus losing. Absolutely no reason to be irritated or leave the table if someone is making "wrong" decisions. That is just silliness and shows that you are clueless as to the FACTS and you likely should not be gambling.

Edited March 31, 2015 by Gonzo70

[cruzsnooze]

Amazing how misinformed some BJ players are on this thread. the FACTS are that a player making "bad" decisions (based on the odds) is equally likely to "help" the table as they are to "hurt" the table. It also makes absolutely no difference which position they are seated in. Yes, it effects the shoe and the outcome, but the impact is equal as to the likelihood it will help or hurt others at the table. Absolutely no reason to be irritated or leave the table if someone is making "wrong" decisions. That is just silliness and shows that you are clueless as to the FACTS and you likely should not be gambling.

 

Obviously you don't understand the game either. A bad play like the one the OP related could cause the whole table to loose by taking a ten the dealer should have drawn. The OP in indeed entitled to play anyway they see fit, the casino's are built on people who have a hunch but people who are knowledgeable will walk away from a table like this.

[kenevenpar]

Obviously you don't understand the game either. A bad play like the one the OP related could cause the whole table to loose by taking a ten the dealer should have drawn. The OP in indeed entitled to play anyway they see fit, the casino's are built on people who have a hunch but people who are knowledgeable will walk away from a table like this.

 

And it could cause the entire table to win. The next card, whether it is the one poorly played or the one after, has a 7.69% (4:52) chance of being any certain card (ie. 4, 5, 6, etc.) unless you know the cards that are not in the remaining cards. A "bad" play does not change the odds of you winning or losing.

[go noles]

Obviously you don't understand the game either. A bad play like the one the OP related could cause the whole table to loose by taking a ten the dealer should have drawn. The OP in indeed entitled to play anyway they see fit, the casino's are built on people who have a hunch but people who are knowledgeable will walk away from a table like this.

 

Yes he does.

[go noles]

And it could cause the entire table to win. The next card, whether it is the one poorly played or the one after, has a 7.69% (4:52) chance of being any certain card (ie. 4, 5, 6, etc.) unless you know the cards that are not in the remaining cards. A "bad" play does not change the odds of you winning or losing.

 

A bad play only affects the odds of the offender from winning or losing. As to the rest of us a the table. It just doesn't matter.

[go noles]

To the OPs examples.

 

Let's assume he/she is playing third base.

Third base against the book hits their 14 and gets a 5 and stays on 19.

Dealer turns their hole card over and it's a ten, takes a card and busts with 26.

In this case the bad play saved the table, if third based stayed as they should have dealer would have 21. It works both ways.

[parallax]

A few years ago I was playing at a $25 table with a friend at the Bellagio. A guy sits down and takes out a marker for 15k. The pit boss increases the minimum but we are grandfathered in. I was sitting at 3rd base and the big player was concerned when I hit or split or not. For example, he hated when I had a 12 and the dealer was showing a 2 or 3. The book says to hit and so I took a hit. After we went through a deck, he said he would reimburse for any losses if I did not take a card on those close to 50/50 propositions. He was all over the place and he did not play by the book. However, because he was refunding me on some of my losses, it worked out great for me.

 

In the scenario described by the OP, I would have walked quietly away, especially if everyone else was playing by the book.