Really? You are quitting cruising?

[tiffygirl]

if ncl had decided to add a "convenience fee" of $7.95 p/p *for bringing your food to the table* to all the main dining rooms instead of room service, would you all still say, "its life deal with it". Would you also suggest going to the buffet, o'sheeehan's, or order room service instead?

 

Would you continue to justify it by continuing to say its a business, or they have fulfilled their contractual obligation, ect?

 

keep in mind that when you bought your cruise (per ncl.com) ncl said the cruise fare included:

Meals in the complimentary dining venues,

Buffet

24-hour Dining venue (on select ships)

Room service menu items

Outdoor Buffet (on select ships)

Pool Bar and Grill (on select ships)

 

and to add insult to injury, you are on your cruise with no prior warning, and you are told this!

 

 

would it upset you in the least that when you paid for your cruise your fare included room service, main dining rooms, and buffet, now you are hit with a "fee" for the complimentary main dining rooms?

 

 

 

just curious.

 

(i omitted the convenience fee off room service)

Edited April 4, 2015 by tiffygirl

[maywell]

if ncl had decided to add a "convenience fee" of $7.95 p/p *for bringing your food to the table* to all the main dining rooms instead of room service, would you all still say, "its life deal with it". Would you also suggest going to the buffet, o'sheeehan's, or order room service instead?

 

Would you continue to justify it by continuing to say its a business, or they have fulfilled their contractual obligation, ect?

 

keep in mind that when you bought your cruise ncl said the cruise fare included:

Meals in the complimentary dining venues,

Buffet

24-hour Dining venue (on select ships)

Room service menu items

Outdoor Buffet (on select ships)

Pool Bar and Grill (on select ships)

 

and to add insult to injury, you are on your cruise with no prior warning, and you are told this!

 

 

would it upset you in the least that when you paid for your cruise your fare included room service, main dining rooms, and buffet, now you are hit with a "fee" for the complimentary main dining rooms?

 

 

 

just curious.

 

(i omitted the convenience fee off room service)

 

 

Believe it or not - Yes, I would still recommend taking yourself to the buffet or another free alternative, if one doesn't want to pay if they ever did that to MDR - whatever comes out cost effective for you, the vacationer on the cruise. Heck its done now with specialty restaurants - don't want to pay it, there's the free alternatives. Let's hope NCL doesn't do a Royal and offer up premium price meals like Lobster in the MDR, then people would really lose their minds saying something to the effect of it should be free, placed in specialty restaurant only, why is it so expensive and whatnot.

Edited April 4, 2015 by maywell

[tiffygirl]

Believe it or not - Yes, I would still recommend taking yourself to the buffet or another free alternative, if one doesn't want to pay if they ever did that to MDR - whatever comes out cost effective for you, the vacationer on the cruise. Heck its done now with specialty restaurants - don't want to pay it, there's the free alternatives. Let's hope NCL doesn't do a Royal and offer up premium price meals like Lobster in the MDR, then people would really lose their minds saying something to the effect of it should be free, placed in specialty restaurant only, why is it so expensive and whatnot.

 

hmmm interesting!

 

you are the type to roll with the punches huh? Because when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade!:D:D

 

for some, they will stand on principle and fairness and will fight what they think is wrong (ESPECIALLY when it come to money)

 

i think both attitudes are needed, and required in life. So i dont begrudge anyone for whatever stand they need to take for their household. Me personally, I will take a stand, and call out a wrong. So laying down, and going to just the buffet because its "still free", would be completely unacceptable to me.

 

heck, if i order $12 vodka martini, the bartender best fill that glass to the rim, i want ALL of what i paid for!:D

 

at the end of the day, everyone has the "right" to get upset, we can agree on it, because on its face, too some, it ain't "right". At the same time, too others it ain't that serious.

 

but i must say, this discussion has been GREAT! ncl boards were on the boring side for awhile... but not any more!!!:D:D

[maywell]

hmmm interesting!

 

you are the type to roll with the punches huh? Because when life gives you lemons, you make lemonade!:D:D

 

for some, they will stand on principle and fairness and will fight what they think is wrong (ESPECIALLY when it come to money)

 

i think both attitudes are needed, and required in life. So i dont begrudge anyone for whatever stand they need to take for their household. Me personally, I will take a stand, and call out a wrong. So laying down, and going to just the buffet because its "still free", would be completely unacceptable to me.

 

heck, if i order $12 vodka martini, the bartender best fill that glass to the rim, i want ALL of what i paid for!:D

 

at the end of the day, everyone has the "right" to get upset, we can agree on it, because on its face, too some, it ain't "right". At the same time, too others it ain't that serious.

 

but i must say, this discussion has been GREAT! ncl boards were on the boring side for awhile... but not any more!!!:D:D

 

Rolling with punches is a lost art form on the NCL CC forums - its either look for easy solution(s) that works for you or stay misery on your vacation; I paid too much money to be miserable crummy!!

 

 

I already gave some advice on how to work around the room service fee issues because some NCL ships make it easy to pull it off. That the beauty of NCL ships - they have alot of complimentary, all you have to do is get up and go or go/return to your room with the item. Some of the posts said they use room service for coffee only and fee is too much; - okay here's 2 solutions: 1)get a spillproof travel mug fill your coffee at the buffet / outdoor / grill / casino and get some pastries morning of and return back to your room.

or

2) get a spillproof insulated travel mug that keeps it drinks hot for 12 hours fill it up the night before and bring some gallon ziplock bags from home, put some pastries / snacks in it and have it tomorrow

 

Either way enjoy!! Here's the list of places to eat on the ships and if possible get the deck plans to study them to plot your routes to get to those places without issues: http://www.ncl.com/sites/default/files/Dining-Guide-10032014.pdf

 

(Not primarily directed at you, tiffygirl, but I hope those tips at least help others, just as other posters' advice on these forums help me when I was planning my trips - the information I'm giving came from first timers and saving money boards. I am so bringing my 18 oz travel mug for the next one!!)

[tiffygirl]

Rolling with punches is a lost art form on the NCL CC forums - its either look for easy solution(s) that works for you or stay misery on your vacation; I paid too much money to be miserable crummy!!

 

 

I already gave some advice on how to work around the room service fee issues because some NCL ships make it easy to pull it off. That the beauty of NCL ships - they have alot of complimentary, all you have to do is get up and go or go/return to your room with the item. Some of the posts said they use room service for coffee only and fee is too much; - okay here's 2 solutions: 1)get a spillproof travel mug fill your coffee at the buffet / outdoor / grill / casino and get some pastries morning of and return back to your room.

or

2) get a spillproof insulated travel mug that keeps it drinks hot for 12 hours fill it up the night before and bring some gallon ziplock bags from home, put some pastries / snacks in it and have it tomorrow

 

Either way enjoy!! Here's the list of places to eat on the ships and if possible get the deck plans to study them to plot your routes to get to those places without issues: http://www.ncl.com/sites/default/files/Dining-Guide-10032014.pdf

 

(Not primarily directed at you, tiffygirl, but I hope those tips at least help others, just as other posters' advice on these forums help me when I was planning my trips - the information I'm giving came from first timers and saving money boards. I am so bringing my 18 oz travel mug for the next one!!)

i gotcha. i do, but to some some its not about those work arounds, we want what we paid for point blank period.we didn't ask for solutions! trust and believe a few of us have been "broke" at some point in our life so we know how to stretch a dollar! so that has never been the point!

 

regards to your suggestion, i know i cant be bringing a "mug" because i need that space in my luggage for more important drink alternatives. besides hail to the nawl, im not paying $7.95 for RS to deliver me a plate of grilled tomatoes!:eek: but that's just me.

 

im in a studio, booked my cabin near the lounge, so i throw on a tee and shorts, and get my coffee, and pastries. takes about 5 minutes maybe. but for others complimentary room service was a "treat". now its no longer a "treat", it is a let down for them. although it doesn't affect us much, we still should not tell those that do to "get over it." I believe one day FDR is going to *F* us all to get that $50 p/p he said he wanted. we could be next. but before i allow him to "get me", i will take my money elsewhere. variety is the spice of life!

 

a wise man once said “In this treacherous world nothing is the truth nor a lie.

Everything depends on the color Of the crystal through which one sees it”

 

just my 2 cents!

Edited April 4, 2015 by tiffygirl

[shapatack0]

i gotcha. i do, but to some some its not about those work arounds, we want what we paid for point blank period.we didn't ask for solutions! trust and believe a few of us have been "broke" at some point in our life so we know how to stretch a dollar! so that has never been the point!

 

regards to your suggestion, i know i cant be bringing a "mug" because i need that space in my luggage for more important drink alternatives. besides hail to the nawl, im not paying $7.95 for RS to deliver me a plate of grilled tomatoes!:eek: but that's just me.

 

im in a studio, booked my cabin near the lounge, so i throw on a tee and shorts, and get my coffee, and pastries. takes about 5 minutes maybe. but for others complimentary room service was a "treat". now its no longer a "treat", it is a let down for them. although it doesn't affect us much, we still should not tell those that do to "get over it." I believe one day FDR is going to *F* us all to get that $50 p/p he said he wanted. we could be next. :eek:

 

a wise man once said “In this treacherous world nothing is the truth nor a lie.

Everything depends on the color Of the crystal through which one sees it”

 

just my 2 cents!

 

I agree with this completely.

[shapatack0]

 

[insidecabin]

I will post this from a european perspective as it is a little different to those in the USA.

 

I used to be a cruise agent in the UK. The big selling point for cruises was that is was very good value for money. You paid a fee, which, was pretty good value per night, then, all you had to budget for were drinks.

 

Now, do consider, that cruises are considerably more expensive for UK and European residents - the companies charge a LOT more than they do in the USA.

 

However, while the base price of cruises has not gone up too much, the total costs for a cruise are increasing significantly. At the same time, air fares are reducing and parts of the world becoming much more tourist friendly. As a result, for those looking for a holiday, cruising is starting to be less and less a good deal.

 

For the price of a cruise in a balcany, a holiday to somewhere like Thailand (with flights and a good 5 star hotel) is about the same. But, the cost of being on the cruise is a lot higher than what would be spent on the holiday. Hence, i know a lot of people who have cruised in the past, but wont now based on cost

 

Not all the time, we check and book UK,EU and US and quite often the UK price is the cheapest.

 

When you price up some destinations(far east) cruising is relatively expensive but others much cheaper, try and do a Med holiday on £50pppd for your room and 3 meals, then you have transport to more than one area/city.

 

Last year we did Princess round Britain 12nights for £399pp $150cabin OBC, MUCH cheaper than the US price($1500+).

We could not do DB&B for that in the places we stopped.

 

THis year the similar cruise now is UK £699pp, US $1500.And prices still have time to drop loads of availability.

 

In the UK we can get a 11n Costa Med cruise with flights for £299, been as low as £249.......Find me a land based holiday for that if you can.

[david_sobe]

This is a cheerleader on steroids thread. I never read anyone say they quit cruising. Some may try other lines. Its sad that when some write about NCL changes and new charges it makes others angry. We are free to discuss anything about NCL on the NCL board. You should not be painted with a broad brush that you are quitting cruising for participating in those threads.

[maywell]

 

 

 

 

Edit: And the most hilarious part about the room service fees right now - It might winded up going back to free or cost $4.95, instead of high price of $7.95. It's not even set in stone.....:rolleyes:

Edited April 4, 2015 by maywell

[sparks1093]

 

 

 

Edit: And the most hilarious part about the room service fees right now - It might winded up going back to free or cost $4.95, instead of high price of $7.95. It's not even set in stone.....:rolleyes:

 

I doubt that the fee will revert to zero, I don't see Del Rio passing up the increased revenue without worrying about an increase in spending but it will undoubtedly be reduced to either $4.95 (or possibly $3.95, which is what they charge for the midnight to 5am orders). Then you and NCL can say "hey, look at the bright side, it's not $7.95" and of course the point will continue to be missed.

 

NCL used to make us feel special, now we don't. You can't buy that, you have to earn it. Yes, I will still consider NCL when I book my future cruises but I am no longer willing to pay more for their product if a competitor is less expensive. But you are kidding yourself if you think Del Rio is done making changes in order to get his $4 or $5 extra per person per day out of everyone. He is just getting started and when he is done you will end up with Celebrity-lite or Oceania-lite and NCL will no longer be what it was.

Edited April 4, 2015 by sparks1093

[maywell]

I doubt that it fee will revert to zero, I don't see Del Rio passing up the increased revenue without worrying about an increase in spending but it will undoubtedly be reduced to either $4.95 (or possibly $3.95, which is what they charge for the midnight to 5am orders). Then you and NCL can say "hey, look at the bright side, it's not $7.95" and of course the point will continue to be missed.

 

NCL used to make us feel special, now we don't. You can't buy that, you have to earn it. Yes, I will still consider NCL when I book my future cruises but I am no longer willing to pay more for their product if a competitor is less expensive. But you are kidding yourself if you think Del Rio is done making changes in order to get his $4 or $5 extra per person per day out of everyone. He is just getting started and when he is done you will end up with Celebrity-lite or Oceania-lite and NCL will no longer be what it was.

 

 

 

No, Del Rio is not done but unlike you; I come overly prepare for surprises especially since I mostly use NCL in Nov / Dec from NY (for now) plus that how I'm naturally am. Because of that time period; I pay my fare and the DSC, bring myself a budget in OBC for family Christmas which also covers my drinking / extras too which is link to credit card, giving me an additional $300-450 (whatever is the automatic hold per length of the trip) - can't be any more financially prepare than that!! I also have no problems now getting a big cup of coffee / tea from the buffet since I have travel mug plus since it the Breakaway again for me; I know all secret spots to getting one with out crowds (which I posted and shared on these forums to help people). I don't need much to be entertained - Give me seat with a nice atmosphere / view with a beverage of choice or activities that look fun to me at any given moments and I'm alright.:)

 

 

You have time on your side to adjust your budget / spending regarding the fees - You have to decide if you're going to let that bother and/or ruin your vacation. Because knowledge is power especially on cruise lines that nickel and dimed for drinks and food; one has to figure out which is completely avoidable and which just can't be helped but pay the price - in my case, a drink one or twice a day is unavoidable, so I cough up the cash for it. *shrug*

[sparks1093]

No, Del Rio is not done but unlike you; I come overly prepare for surprises especially since I mostly use NCL in Nov / Dec from NY (for now) plus that how I'm naturally am. Because of that time period; I pay my fare and the DSC, bring myself a budget in OBC for family Christmas which also covers my drinking / extras too which is link to credit card, giving me an additional $300-450 (whatever is the automatic hold per length of the trip) - can't be any more financially prepare than that!! I also have no problems now getting a big cup of coffee / tea from the buffet since I have travel mug plus since it the Breakaway again for me; I know all secret spots to getting one with out crowds (which I posted and shared on these forums to help people). I don't need much to be entertained - Give me seat with a nice atmosphere / view with a beverage of choice or activities that look fun to me at any given moments and I'm alright.:)

 

 

You have time on your side to adjust your budget / spending regarding the fees - You have to decide if you're going to let that bother and/or ruin your vacation. Because knowledge is power especially on cruise lines that nickel and dimed for drinks and food; one has to figure out which is completely avoidable and which just can't be helped but pay the price - in my case, a drink one or twice a day is unavoidable, so I cough up the cash for it. *shrug*

 

I do budget and I do allow for changes and we are more alike than you would care to know (I prefer to go to the buffet and bring back DW's breakfast, it's more romantic:)). I would never let anything ruin a vacation. The only thing this has done has changed the way that I look at NCL. You get that or you don't. *double shrug*

[tiffygirl]

is about value. every person see's their cruising value differently.

 

i know for me the value was lost in that 18% grat charge in addition to raising the cost on the drinks. no worries though, i will take steps for me to gain that value back. so ncl will lose money from me in that regard.

 

 

also because i enjoy my drinks on the ship, msc divina has the BEST bar prices at sea. long island ice tea for example, $8 incl grat. because enjoying my drinks on cruises is important to me, i know i am going to be giving more business to MSC in the future. plus it was a great ship, with awesome prices! I will also be keeping my eye out for some carnival sailings as well.

 

When my peers ask me what cruise line i recommend, so instead of saying NCL, now i will push MSC/others. i understand how word of mouth can hurt or help in the travel business.

 

so i have my 2 cruise left on ncl and i have take as they are not my usual solos. i will adjust my budget accordingly. but believe you me FDR has single handily lost a loyal customer through his "admitted" greed.

 

so you do you, if that means taking doggie bags back to the room as fake room service or carrying a big a$$ mugs and hunt for secret filler stations around the ship, great that works for you. in the mean time i will do me and take my happy a$$ and money to other cruise lines that are in line with the things value and make cruising enjoyable for ME.

 

as the saying goes...one monkey does not stop the show!*shrugs*

[maywell]

Problem is that when it came to "nickel and diming" NCL didn't do anything that the other mainstream lines weren't doing. They didn't charge for anything that was not also a charge on the competition. So I've never really considered them to be "nickel and dime" and even defended them when people raised that criticism. I can no longer defend them. Charging for room service for free food does not add value for the cruiser.

 

Value for which cruiser? The room service fee lost value for YOU; not necessarily to others that use MDR or buffet for food, especially for breakfast. I knew they were a nickel and dime line when I was researching cruises for my 1st booked trip (Nov 30th, the April one was a last time cheap trip booked after). I also learn about the different changes that had occurred with cruises during the 1990-2000's, just in case something did change, I would be better prepared for it if booked another one. Why these fees and increases is a shocker to people who claim to have been cruising for years is beyond me....

[sparks1093]

Value for which cruiser? The room service fee lost value for YOU; not necessarily to others that use MDR or buffet for food, especially for breakfast. I knew they were a nickel and dime line when I was researching cruises for my 1st booked trip (Nov 30th, the April one was a last time cheap trip booked after). I also learn about the different changes that had occurred with cruises during the 1990-2000's, just in case something did change, I would be better prepared for it if booked another one. Why these fees and increases is a shocker to people who claim to have been cruising for years is beyond me....

 

Value for any cruiser. They are charging a fee for what was free (and is free in other venues) and they are also charging for something that no other cruise line charges for. In and of itself that adds no value. At least with a specialty restaurant they are charging for something that you can get nowhere else onboard. Yes, this charge is easily avoidable. But again that's not the point.

[maywell]

Value for any cruiser. They are charging a fee for what was free (and is free in other venues) and they are also charging for something that no other cruise line charges for. In and of itself that adds no value. At least with a specialty restaurant they are charging for something that you can get nowhere else onboard. Yes, this charge is easily avoidable. But again that's not the point.

 

Here's the thing - they and Royal charge a fee for room service from 12am-5am for how many years? Did that add or subtract from YOUR value knowing that plus it was suppose to be complimentary during those hours? Now it an all the time fee on NCL and now it subtracts / lessens it value to you - No offense, but the writing was on wall with the late night fee it was just a matter of time...

 

Again, what's valuable / good to you doesn't mean it valuable / good to someone else. And what seems trivial to others will seem like a big deal to you and vice versa.

[sparks1093]

If its NCL's attitude regarding it customers, its pretty much the same with some add-ons -New boss, same as the old boss when it comes to nickel and diming but with room services fees , increase DSC and 18% tips.

 

But NCL had a great deal of goodwill built up with me that was to their benefit. When it was time to book a cruise they had the edge even if their fare was a little higher than the other guy's. They have lost that now. Doesn't mean their cruises suck or they are a bad company or their product is inferior. It just means that they have to work harder to earn my business, nothing more and nothing less.

 

Easier to just quote what I wrote in another thread.

[maywell]

Then why are you so bothered by it? :confused:

 

Here's the long answer to your question (with whom it was directed):

 

 

Originally Posted by sparks1093

I doubt that it fee will revert to zero, I don't see Del Rio passing up the increased revenue without worrying about an increase in spending but it will undoubtedly be reduced to either $4.95 (or possibly $3.95, which is what they charge for the midnight to 5am orders). Then you and NCL can say "hey, look at the bright side, it's not $7.95" and of course the point will continue to be missed.

 

NCL used to make us feel special, now we don't. You can't buy that, you have to earn it. Yes, I will still consider NCL when I book my future cruises but I am no longer willing to pay more for their product if a competitor is less expensive. But you are kidding yourself if you think Del Rio is done making changes in order to get his $4 or $5 extra per person per day out of everyone. He is just getting started and when he is done you will end up with Celebrity-lite or Oceania-lite and NCL will no longer be what it was.

 

No, Del Rio is not done but unlike you; I come overly prepare for surprises especially since I mostly use NCL in Nov / Dec from NY (for now) plus that how I'm naturally am. Because of that time period; I pay my fare and the DSC, bring myself a budget in OBC for family Christmas which also covers my drinking / extras too which is link to credit card, giving me an additional $300-450 (whatever is the automatic hold per length of the trip) - can't be any more financially prepare than that!! I also have no problems now getting a big cup of coffee / tea from the buffet since I have travel mug plus since it the Breakaway again for me; I know all secret spots to getting one with out crowds (which I posted and shared on these forums to help people). I don't need much to be entertained - Give me seat with a nice atmosphere / view with a beverage of choice or activities that look fun to me at any given moments and I'm alright.:)

 

 

You have time on your side to adjust your budget / spending regarding the fees - You have to decide if you're going to let that bother and/or ruin your vacation. Because knowledge is power especially on cruise lines that nickel and dimed for drinks and food; one has to figure out which is completely avoidable and which just can't be helped but pay the price - in my case, a drink one or twice a day is unavoidable, so I cough up the cash for it. *shrug*

 

 

Super short answer - I'm prepare for surprises on a nickel and dime line like Norwegian.

[mbisson]

While we 'budget' for our cruises, I don't think my budgets will ever be so restrictive that I'll need to worry too much about 18% spec dining room tips, $7.95 room svc (etc) being budget busters. Should it reach that point, I guess I'll have to look at other options :)

[Cuizer2]

No one has posted on this thread for nearly eight hours? :eek: What happened to all the NCL cheerleaders that will defend anything NCL does?

 

At any rate, the PR issues are starting to affect new NCL cruisers ...

 

I have been on several other lines and have been loyal to Celebrity in recent years. However, the spa on Norwegian, and specifically, the renderings of the Escape led to my booking a spa balcony for Christmas week.

 

However, in light of recent "changes" to NCL such as the added gratuity in the specialties and now this "test" of a room service fee, I'm getting annoyed. I'm either going to cancel my cruise and rebook with Celebrity or I'm just going to wait until a cheap week opens for the Haven because it sees like on Norwegian, those in the Haven are the only ones spared the nonsense. AM I right or wrong about this with NCL cause honestly, while I have abandoned suites on other lines because I found I had just as much fun in a standard balcony, it appears to me that unless I go Haven, I'm going to get my pockets picked at every turn while onboard and if that's the case, I'd just assume pay the extra---even though I ordinarily wouldn't so it's not a matter of "if I could afford it" cause I really can't.

 

With all of the packages included with Haven, is that the way to go or will they still annoy me with small fees here, there and everywhere? Any insight or experienced opinions are appreciated because this Xmas cruise is not cheap with airfare etc. Thanks

 

I've only quoted the first post. Here is a link to the thread ...

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2191129

[Cuizer2]

After a quick check I see that a few posts are missing.

[thecaptain1969]

I will reiterate my original theory.....

 

Ncl doesn't want saavy longtime cruisers any longer....

 

If you think NCL doesn't want your money because you are a longtime cruiser then you obviously don't understand how a business works. NCL will take anyone's money regardless of whether they are a first time cruiser or have booked 1000 cruises through them. Which brings me to all of the "long time loyal NCL cruisers" aspect of these threads.

 

NCL doesn't think you are special because you have been loyal(the only thing you get from them is a loyalty program which you actually pay for through so many bookings anyway) and the fact that you feel NCL owes you more than the 1st time cruiser is naive. NCL could care less if you ever book with them again because there will always be a customer base for them to draw from of both old and new cruisers

 

They want newbie cruisers who wil be in awe of the experience and not realize how quickly all the onboard fees are adding up.... Because they just don't know any better

 

I get the whole "newbie" term and while it's not my favorite term, that is just how inexperienced people are referred to in this day and age. What is insulting about the statement above is the fact that you seem to think that anyone who has never cruised before(or has cruised less than you) is apparently an idiot who is incapable of doing research of any kind on the "hidden costs" of a cruise. I'm fairly certain that 90% of us "newbies" do a fair amount of research on cost when we are spending 3-5K of our hard earned money. I have been researching CC since myself and our extended family booked last year(30 of us are going at the end of the month.)

 

I always laugh when I see pax who do everything onboard because they think that is just the way it is....

 

From bingo to booking every port excursion thru the ship

 

Again this points to what I see as a condescending attitude that I have seen from time to time here on CC. It's disappointing to see, but again some people seem to feel superior to those that don't have the "experience" that they do and that's how the statement comes off(perhaps it wasn't meant that way though)

 

People may be doing these things by choice not because they feel that is the way it is like you are assuming

 

 

 

They are who Ncl is courting now....

 

Those who don't understand cruising

 

No again your wrong imo. NCL isn't counting on a "specific group"they just care about their ships being fully booked and revenue. Sure I bet some people don't understand every aspect of cruising like someone who has cruised many times, but to think NCL is targeting these people alone is ridiculous because it wouldn't be near enough revenue.

.....

 

Those of us that understand more than they want us to are now the enemy.....

 

No your not the enemy except in your own mind where you have created this false sense of NCL owing you more than they do anyone else just because you have cruised with them before. They want you money, your loyalty means absolutely NOTHING to them other than them throwing you a bone through the loyalty program you pay for with bookings.

 

NCl is a business and they care about the bottom line and nothing else.Just like Coca-cola could care less if you buy their product or Pepsi because they will always find customers. If they someday fail at doing so then they will end up out of business.

 

A few final thoughts. As a consumer you have the choice of which line you cruise with in the future. If you fail to use that choice then that's on you, not the way a particular cruise line operates. I also have been reluctant to post my feelings because of offending anyone. However I felt that I needed to "speak my mind" on the topic and if anyone is offended so be it. This post is MY opinion and I'm okay with anyone who agrees or disagrees with it. Regardless of which camp you fall into I wish nothing but happy sailings to everyone here on CC.

 

 

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[DrNora]

Captain: if you are the author of the comments in red-

You da man!!

Glad that NCL is alienating the holier than thou cruisers.

Now I don't have to be on the ship with them.

 

Amazing how many experts on finance , public relations and the inner workings of a cruise line we have here on CC.

[thecaptain1969]

I will reiterate my original theory.....

 

Ncl doesn't want saavy longtime cruisers any longer....

 

They want newbie cruisers who wil be in awe of the experience and not realize how quickly all the onboard fees are adding up.... Because they just don't know any better

 

I always laugh when I see pax who do everything onboard because they think that is just the way it is....

 

From bingo to booking every port excursion thru the ship

 

They are who Ncl is courting now....

 

Those who don't understand cruising

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Those of us that understand more than they want us to are now the enemy.....

 

 

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Captain: if you are the author of the comments in red-

You da man!!

Glad that NCL is alienating the holier than thou cruisers.

Now I don't have to be on the ship with them.

 

Amazing how many experts on finance , public relations and the inner workings of a cruise line we have here on CC.

 

 

I am indeed Dr. I find it unrealistic to "expect" a large corporation to announce or justify a change in their business practices to their customer base because the said customer base feels they are obligated to do so. It just ins't how the business world works in the majority of cases.

 

Years ago McDonalds stopped putting two slices of cheese on their dollar menu "McDouble" and I know this is shocking, but they didn't hold a press conference or have a news release about it. As a consumer i had the "choice" to keep buying them or take my money elsewhere.

 

This is exactly what the "long time savvy cruiser" can do as well for their future cruises. As for the one they have booked? they still have the option of not ordering RS if they are sailing on the BA or GA.

 

 

The sooner the long time cruising crowd realizes that NCL is a business and NOT their friend the better off they will be in my opinion. Business don't care about your feelings, they care about their bottom line. To think otherwise is foolish, again in my opinion.

 

 

The Capt