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[NLH Arizona]

Agree totally....

 

However with all of these changes....which don't really bother me at this juncture.....I am starting to look at rccl

 

Who knows if I'll like them or not. Who knows if I'll get a good deal or not. Who knows. However in my thinking....what the heck...I might as well try them

 

Now I always look for and usually book great deals on Ncl and look to them first.....so its actually a big deal that I want to check out rccl regardless of their product....which I know very little about at this time but will probably experience on my 2017 cruise...

 

I bet Ncl never expected a cruiser like me to actually be willing to probably pay more elsewhere....

 

I'm actually looking forward to rccl.

 

The point is Ncl has succeeded in pushing me to look elsewhere. Why not? Might as well experience something different.

 

I never would have said this a year ago though. That speaks volumes.

Yes, NCL has succeeded in pushing you to look elsewhere, but I'm sure they figure for every one customer who leaves, there will be one or two to take their place, because of their new offerings and because of first time cruises who choose NCL.

 

I'll stick with NCL until they make changes I don't agree with, because I'd rather deal with the business I know, rather than the one I don't...you know, the old saying: better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

 

BTW, I have friends who swear by Royal Caribbean. My first ever cruise was on Royal Caribbean.

[missintuitive]

 

 

 

What's important and favorite food choice for one, is not the same for EVERYONE. And if its that important and serious, you either budget for it or go somewhere else that still has it included in the fare.

 

 

That shouldn't be hard. The FACT is that every other commercial cruise line offers prime rib in the base fare. NCL is the only one "up-charging" for it.

 

 

 

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[sparks1093]

Wow, you sure are making a generalization as far as what demographic can afford what?

 

Isn't that how demographics work? When NCL is offering a cruise comparable to the competitions that is almost twice what the competition yes, I think it's going to at least potentially change the demographics.

[sparks1093]

I think what he is saying is you can plan the vacation but you don't actually have to book it a year in advance.

 

 

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Yes, and take the chance that the cabin we want will be sold out. Not a gamble that I want to take.

 

Why If you cruise by base cost there are plenty of options much nearer sail time that will save you moey, which you appear to be saying is your biggest reason for choosing a cruise?

 

I do what works for me for reasons that suit me, pretty much like anyone else:rolleyes:.

[Loonbeam]

I'll be honest I don't recall seeing it on Princess except maybe 1 night out of 7 usually first night of cruise. Nor do I recall it as a standard option on RCCL as well although it certainly may have been offered. Then again, Princess also offers lobster (kind of) some nights.

 

That said, every cruise line offers things that others don't included in base fare. Princess for example offers far inferior entertainment and physically facilities in their base package, but they do have traditional dining. They offer free hand dipped ice cream on most ships, RCCL does not. RCCL has flowriders and an aqua theater and an ice rink on some ships, all included, NCL does not, etc. Heck, the lines don't offer the same things on their own ships and there's not always a lot of variance in fares.

 

It's apples and oranges on many levels.

 

That shouldn't be hard. The FACT is that every other commercial cruise line offers prime rib in the base fare. NCL is the only one "up-charging" for it.

 

 

 

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[missintuitive]

I'll be honest I don't recall seeing it on Princess except maybe 1 night out of 7 usually first night of cruise. Nor do I recall it as a standard option on RCCL as well although it certainly may have been offered. Then again, Princess also offers lobster (kind of) some nights.

 

That said, every cruise line offers things that others don't included in base fare. Princess for example offers far inferior entertainment and physically facilities in their base package, but they do have traditional dining. They offer free hand dipped ice cream on most ships, RCCL does not. RCCL has flowriders and an aqua theater and an ice rink on some ships, all included, NCL does not, etc. Heck, the lines don't offer the same things on their own ships and there's not always a lot of variance in fares.

 

It's apples and oranges on many levels.

I'll stand by my statement that RCCL, Princess, CCL, Disney, and X all offer prime rib without a charge at some point during the cruise. I never said it was available every night on every ship. I just stated that it wasn't an "up-charge" item in the MDR on any ship except NCL.

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

Isn't that how demographics work? When NCL is offering a cruise comparable to the competitions that is almost twice what the competition yes, I think it's going to at least potentially change the demographics.

I think we might be thinking of demographics in different terms, since so many factors go into them. I'm thinking age related and I'm guess now, by your additional comments, that you are thinking of as how much money someone has or doesn't have. So, if I'm correct in my assumptions, you are correct, by raising prices they will price some of those that are in a lesser financial position or they will just cruise less often. I really don't see NCL wanting to change any of their demographics, neither age related or related to their financial standing, because they need everyone to make their cruise line successful. Inside cabins still have to be filled, just as the suites do. NCL has a long standing reputation, just as Carnival has as being at the bottom of the spectrum of the cruise lines and I feel it is going to take them many, many years to change that perception. Not only is it going to cost them a lot of money in the announced make-overs of the ships, but it is going to take them a lot of money to re-brand themselves as a major competitor to Royal Caribbean and Princess, not to mention they have to be patient enough to wait for the goals to become fruition. One thing for sure, it will be an interesting ride to watch and to see if NCL makes that transition or they spend a lot of time and money with the same outcome. Only time will tell.

[rvsullivan]

I'll stand by my statement that RCCL, Princess, CCL, Disney, and X all offer prime rib without a charge at some point during the cruise. I never said it was available every night on every ship. I just stated that it wasn't an "up-charge" item in the MDR on any ship except NCL.

 

 

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I'm a little late to this discussion, but are you saying that all the listed cruise lines you've posted include a 1 lb prime rib in their dining rooms every week? I know NCL did and I believe still do in one location, but is is more of a 4-5 oz, big difference. Same thing with lobster, which line is providing a 1.5-1.75 lb lobster in any dining room for any price?

I think in completely ok for folks to mention they don't like to see any upcharge items in the MDR, but since they did not remove anything and in fact looks like they improved the choices of "free" items, I don't understand the grief?

[sparks1093]

I think we might be thinking of demographics in different terms, since so many factors go into them. I'm thinking age related and I'm guess now, by your additional comments, that you are thinking of as how much money someone has or doesn't have. So, if I'm correct in my assumptions, you are correct, by raising prices they will price some of those that are in a lesser financial position or they will just cruise less often. I really don't see NCL wanting to change any of their demographics, neither age related or related to their financial standing, because they need everyone to make their cruise line successful. Inside cabins still have to be filled, just as the suites do. NCL has a long standing reputation, just as Carnival has as being at the bottom of the spectrum of the cruise lines and I feel it is going to take them many, many years to change that perception. Not only is it going to cost them a lot of money in the announced make-overs of the ships, but it is going to take them a lot of money to re-brand themselves as a major competitor to Royal Caribbean and Princess, not to mention they have to be patient enough to wait for the goals to become fruition. One thing for sure, it will be an interesting ride to watch and to see if NCL makes that transition or they spend a lot of time and money with the same outcome. Only time will tell.

 

Yes, there are many ways to look at demographics and there are many ways to categorize passengers. And only time will tell if NCL pulls of Del Rio's vision. (But by investing in upgraded linens and carpeting and cutlery and china etc. they are certainly looking to attract people that appreciate that difference and are willing to pay extra for it). I agree, it will be interesting watching it unfold.

[Crusin6]

They are not "my own" set of facts.

 

It is a fact that you pay $150 for a cruise certificate that is worth $250. It is not fake. The mind game reference is not meant to indicate as such. It's a mind game in the sense just like store charging for an item at $9.99 instead of a flat $10. It's just a perception thing. Doesn't change that fact that I just saved $100 on my next cruise.

 

I can absolutely say they are the same value. Maybe it wouldn't be the same value to you if you were not planning on spending at least $100 on board. But I would wager that most people do spend at least that. And even if you weren't planning on spending anything on board i believe you could go to the casino and charge the $100 to your account and only lose $3 as there is a 3% fee. I don't see the comparison to a non working watch. I don't think you have yet to say why you don't think they are the same value? If I pay $899 for the cruise and they wind up spending $100 on board then that equals $999. That's the same as paying $999 and getting $100 credit. Again re-iterating the fact that most people would be spending at least the $100.

 

 

 

 

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If you spend absolutely nothing onboard and have prepaid excursions. Dsc. Etc. then you buy a fcc this is what your acct would look like at the end of the cruise....

 

 

Fcc. $250

Obc. 100

 

 

Amount charged to the credit card you put on file......$150

 

 

 

And when you go to book your next cabin your fcc number is already on My Ncl.....you ta sees it as well if you use one.....so not a penny out of your pocket at your future booking for that cabin be it a single double triple or quad....the cabin is still yours and the deposit for all is covered by the 1 fcc you purchased for $150.

 

 

Another benefit is that if you book a cabin for 2 and they want a $400 per pax deposit....you still book that cabin just using your fcc.....you pay nothing else until final payment.....that is a great benefit in my book.

 

 

 

 

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[missintuitive]

I'm a little late to this discussion, but are you saying that all the listed cruise lines you've posted include a 1 lb prime rib in their dining rooms every week? I know NCL did and I believe still do in one location, but is is more of a 4-5 oz, big difference. Same thing with lobster, which line is providing a 1.5-1.75 lb lobster in any dining room for any price?

 

I think in completely ok for folks to mention they don't like to see any upcharge items in the MDR, but since they did not remove anything and in fact looks like they improved the choices of "free" items, I don't understand the grief?

 

 

I specifically only mentioned the prime rib...not the size and not how often it is offered. I think you should go back and read my original comment so I don't have to repeat the assertion. I couldn't care less about the size of the prime rib bc 16oz is too big and I do not prefer boneless cuts of beef (i.e. I prefer t-bone, bone-in rib eyes, and bone-in prime rib).

 

I will only care if the prime rib for an upcharge is the only prime rib available on the ship. No one has been able to confirm that it's still complementary on the ship. If it isn't, then imo it's a tacky money grab.

 

In terms of lobster, I didn't even mention it in my post. However, I'm fine with the smaller and portions that are offered on most cruise lines without an additional charge. The same lines allow you to order more than one. I don't need a 1.5lb whole lobster bc only the tails and claws are edible anyway. It's a waste.

 

 

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[hondorner]

... NCL has a long standing reputation, just as Carnival has as being at the bottom of the spectrum of the cruise lines and I feel it is going to take them many, many years to change that perception. Not only is it going to cost them a lot of money in the announced make-overs of the ships, but it is going to take them a lot of money to re-brand themselves as a major competitor to Royal Caribbean and Princess, not to mention they have to be patient enough to wait for the goals to become fruition. One thing for sure, it will be an interesting ride to watch and to see if NCL makes that transition or they spend a lot of time and money with the same outcome. Only time will tell.

The interesting fact in this discussion is that Mr. Del Rio founded Oceania Cruise Lines in 2002 (along with Joe Watters, formerly of Crystal) with just $14Million in capital raised from family and friends. They started from nothing, with the promise of one chartered ship, and sailed their Maiden Voyage as a cruise line on July 5, 2003.

 

Just 4 years later, in 2007, he sold 70% of Oceania to Apollo Management for almost $1 Billion! $14 Million to $1 Billion in 4 years -- unheard of in almost any industry, let alone the cruise industry.

 

Then, when Apollo bought Regent Seven Seas Cruises from the Carlson family, they rolled Regent and Oceania into a new division of Apollo called Prestige Cruise Holdings. They then moved FDR and almost his entire management team into place to run Prestige.

 

Fast forward a few more years -- about 6 -- and Apollo, parts owners of NCL as well as Prestige, took NCL Holdings public in an IPO. They were planning to do the same with Prestige, even filed some pre-IPO intentions, when someone came up with the bright idea of combining NCLH and PCH into one company instead of doing a PCH IPO. It happened -- and once again, FDR and almost his entire management team were tapped to provide the overall guidance for NCLH. Why? Because it always worked in the past.

 

Now, FDR is bringing his vision to NCL, slowly improving the food (the new menus are getting great reviews), improving the ships (when he took over Regent, he spent $100,000,000 improving just one ship -- Navigator), even improving the art -- he and vice chairman Bob Binder personally picked out all the art for Oceania and Regent -- see this book --

 

 

NCL has a great future ahead of it, and if the "Old Guard" of NCL opens their eyes and minds, they'll be more pleased than they expect. Of course, some will go away -- there's a famous inside joke in the cruise industry about passengers who need to be fired. But, even more will take their place.

[Crusin6]

Yes, NCL has succeeded in pushing you to look elsewhere, but I'm sure they figure for every one customer who leaves, there will be one or two to take their place, because of their new offerings and because of first time cruises who choose NCL.

 

 

 

I'll stick with NCL until they make changes I don't agree with, because I'd rather deal with the business I know, rather than the one I don't...you know, the old saying: better the devil you know, than the devil you don't.

 

 

 

BTW, I have friends who swear by Royal Caribbean. My first ever cruise was on Royal Caribbean.

 

 

And for every new cruiser they get to replace the longtime cruisers considering leaving ncl.....they will find that they have gained a new cruiser who may not be savvy about what they have lost out on and will not even recognize that ncl....

 

Offers fake freebies

Changes things on a regular basis

And is charging them a lot more than what a longtime ncl cruiser knows to pay. Etc etc.

 

 

Yes they are getting newbie cruisers who will now cruise every 5 years but will undoubtedly come off the ship raving about the experience but needing lots of time to save up for the next one and telling all their friends how expensive cruising is

 

In my case I like and usually book at rock bottom prices and as soon as I'm off the ship I'm booking my next cruise....so in 5 years I've cruised 4 times....and brag about the true deals I get and get my friends to book ncl also

 

 

Ncl will ultimately decide which cruiser they want to court

 

My guess is the first group because they aren't savvy yet about cruising so ncl can fill their ships with that type....keep changing things and removing stuff and raising prices and offering fake freebies.....a newbie doesn't notice things like this do they as they have nothing to compare with. Ncl has a win win there

 

 

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[Moby0215]

If you spend absolutely nothing onboard and have prepaid excursions. Dsc. Etc. then you buy a fcc this is what your acct would look like at the end of the cruise....

 

 

Fcc. $250

Obc. 100

 

 

Amount charged to the credit card you put on file......$150

 

 

 

And when you go to book your next cabin your fcc number is already on My Ncl.....you ta sees it as well if you use one.....so not a penny out of your pocket at your future booking for that cabin be it a single double triple or quad....the cabin is still yours and the deposit for all is covered by the 1 fcc you purchased for $150.

 

 

Another benefit is that if you book a cabin for 2 and they want a $400 per pax deposit....you still book that cabin just using your fcc.....you pay nothing else until final payment.....that is a great benefit in my book.

 

 

 

 

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Yes that is exactly what I was saying. I'm not sure why SeaShark could not admit to that.

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

NCL has a great future ahead of it, and if the "Old Guard" of NCL opens their eyes and minds, they'll be more pleased than they expect. Of course, some will go away -- there's a famous inside joke in the cruise industry about passengers who need to be fired. But, even more will take their place.

Time will tell if the re-branding of NCL will work. Even if it does, I think they have a great future. Maybe a joke in the cruise industry, but I seriously doubt that any cruise line really wants to lose customers, do they expect to lose customers because of changes, yes, but do they really want to lose any, no.

 

I've got no issue with the changes so far and hopefully I won't have any issue with the changes yet to come.

[NLH Arizona]

And for every new cruiser they get to replace the longtime cruisers considering leaving ncl.....they will find that they have gained a new cruiser who may not be savvy about what they have lost out on and will not even recognize that ncl....

 

Offers fake freebies

Changes things on a regular basis

And is charging them a lot more than what a longtime ncl cruiser knows to pay. Etc etc.

 

Yes they are getting newbie cruisers who will now cruise every 5 years but will undoubtedly come off the ship raving about the experience but needing lots of time to save up for the next one and telling all their friends how expensive cruising is

 

In my case I like and usually book at rock bottom prices and as soon as I'm off the ship I'm booking my next cruise....so in 5 years I've cruised 4 times....and brag about the true deals I get and get my friends to book ncl also

 

Ncl will ultimately decide which cruiser they want to court

 

My guess is the first group because they aren't savvy yet about cruising so ncl can fill their ships with that type....keep changing things and removing stuff and raising prices and offering fake freebies.....a newbie doesn't notice things like this do they as they have nothing to compare with. Ncl has a win win there

 

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They don't care if their new cruises are aware of what NCL use to be or if they are savvy enough to know how it was in yesteryears. NCL's only concern is that the new cruisers have a good experience on their cruise.

 

How do you have any idea how often new cruisers will cruise? I've met new cruises on most of my cruises and they are cruising once or twice a year. So, I'm not sure why you say they will only cruise once every five years. Look at some of the posters on here who are new to the line, they cruise more than once every five years.

 

Why do you think new cruisers don't have enough money to cruise whenever they want? Why do you feel that new cruisers will think cruising is expensive? You are making a lot of assumptions, without any data to back that up.

 

In the last five years, I've been on 9 cruises (five of those on NCL, with two more booked) and I also brag to my friends how inexpensive cruise vacations are versus some of my land vacations.

 

I don't think NCL is going to court any particular passengers, I think they will offer a product and customers will be the one to decide if they want to cruise with them.

 

NCL has a win win no matter who cruises with them.

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[duchesslt]

That shouldn't be hard. The FACT is that every other commercial cruise line offers prime rib in the base fare. NCL is the only one "up-charging" for it.

 

I am cruising for the second time ever and chose Escape. I am pleased the ships are moving towards a pay for your preference vs. all inclusive. The only other cruise I have been on I was sickened by the number of people who were piling food on their plastic trays on the buffet and ordering everything on the menu in the MDR. Looking at the size of many of these people, they definitely could've said no to the second entree, let alone 3rd dessert. What was strange was that this food gluttony was the norm. It was uncomfortable to be around - foodaholics vs. alcoholics.

 

Perhaps people will act with a little more dignity and eat with more manners and considerately in front of others if they make this choice at their own cost vs. spreading it across the fare of all cruisers.

 

And for my part, I am happy to pay to go to a specialty restaurant and steer my family away from the free for all spectacle many obese cruisers make at the buffet.

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[Crusin6]

They don't care if their new cruises are aware of what NCL use to be or if they are savvy enough to know how it was in yesteryears. NCL's only concern is that the new cruisers have a good experience on their cruise.

 

How do you have any idea how often new cruisers will cruise? I've met new cruises on most of my cruises and they are cruising once or twice a year. So, I'm not sure why you say they will only cruise once every five years. Look at some of the posters on here who are new to the line, they cruise more than once every five years.

 

Why do you think new cruisers don't have enough money to cruise whenever they want? Why do you feel that new cruisers will think cruising is expensive? You are making a lot of assumptions, without any data to back that up.

 

In the last five years, I've been on 9 cruises (five of those on NCL, with two more booked) and I also brag to my friends how inexpensive cruise vacations are versus some of my land vacations.

 

I don't think NCL is going to court any particular passengers, I think they will offer a product and customers will be the one to decide if they want to cruise with them.

 

NCL has a win win no matter who cruises with them.

 

 

Ncl is courting newbie cruisers.....do you really think ncl thinks they will impress seasoned ncl cruisers with all the changes they are pulling? Lol

 

 

And the pax you are meeting on your past cruises are in fact past cruisers.....who booked when prices were great....and you are talking about the last 5 years....

 

Now fast forward a few years when ncl has the stats on the return to ncl cruisers that booked a cruise for the first time in 2015 for 2016.....only then we will know for sure if they book again....

 

My take is that those pax will say that cruising is great.....but very expensive

 

 

Whereas a cruiser like me and mine who cruise as often as possible .....have been known to say that cruising is great and inexpensive if you know what you are doing.....and book the right line at the right time...also known as booking ncl 9 months out.

 

Heck I'm still bragging to anyone that will listen about the steal I have for Jan 2016......

 

What has changed though is.....now I finish my bragging with.....ncl is getting out of hand price wise but I'm still hoping they will need to cut future cruise prices.... As I hope to continue cruising with them....but if I have to pay above what I'm used to I might as well look into other cruise lines...

 

As it stands now for July 2016 I've dropped the Idea of a Med cruise because of ncl pulling out....so it will just be airfare and hotels for us next July in Europe. Oh and btw....paying for those hotels at check in not in advance.

 

While I would look elsewhere for a Med cruise...why bother...we've done them so we can live without it next time....so I've saved $10000 on next summers Europe trip.....and ncl lost it.....or should I say the cruise industry lost it

 

While a land based Europe trip won't be free.....I've done them enough to know how to do right and at my price point. Lol

 

 

 

 

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[maywell]

Ncl is courting newbie cruisers.....do you really think ncl thinks they will impress seasoned ncl cruisers with all the changes they are pulling? Lol

 

 

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Let's be honest - Do you think some of the newbies even care, especially when before didn't have the promos? Plus, to some newbies, NCL reputation (Royal also benefits from this as well) as the anti-Carnival; helps them as well - if a better cruise means paying $5 per person per day more to avoid some of the unwanted masses, so be it. And this is on top of free Broadway and live music shows that's included in the base fare.

 

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[Crusin6]

They don't care if their new cruises are aware of what NCL use to be or if they are savvy enough to know how it was in yesteryears. NCL's only concern is that the new cruisers have a good experience on their cruise.

 

How do you have any idea how often new cruisers will cruise? I've met new cruises on most of my cruises and they are cruising once or twice a year. So, I'm not sure why you say they will only cruise once every five years. Look at some of the posters on here who are new to the line, they cruise more than once every five years.

 

Why do you think new cruisers don't have enough money to cruise whenever they want? Why do you feel that new cruisers will think cruising is expensive? You are making a lot of assumptions, without any data to back that up.

 

In the last five years, I've been on 9 cruises (five of those on NCL, with two more booked) and I also brag to my friends how inexpensive cruise vacations are versus some of my land vacations.

 

I don't think NCL is going to court any particular passengers, I think they will offer a product and customers will be the one to decide if they want to cruise with them.

 

NCL has a win win no matter who cruises with them.

 

 

Also will you bragging after your current stash of well priced cruises are taken and you are ready to book the next round? You really can't answer that yet can you? Nor can anyone.

 

I'm just saying I believe a lot of us seasoned low price braggers won't have much to brag about price wise going forward but I do hope we can still brag about a great experience .... But hmmm..still to be determined as I love prime rib

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

Also will you bragging after your current stash of well priced cruises are taken and you are ready to book the next round? You really can't answer that yet can you? Nor can anyone.

 

I'm just saying I believe a lot of us seasoned low price braggers won't have much to brag about price wise going forward but I do hope we can still brag about a great experience .... But hmmm..still to be determined as I love prime rib

 

 

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Everyone puts a different value on their cruises and might be different than yours.

 

I'm a seasoned bragger, never said I was a low price bragger and my NCL cruises are still considerably less than my land vacations or those cruises on Celebrity and Crystal. I'm not a fan of prime rib myself, as I'd rather have the filet in Cagney's.

[Crusin6]

Let's be honest - Do you think some of the newbies even care, especially when before didn't have the promos? Plus, to some newbies, NCL reputation (Royal also benefits from this as well) as the anti-Carnival; helps them as well - if a better cruise means paying $5 per person per day more to avoid some of the unwanted masses, so be it. And this is on top of free Broadway and live music shows that's included in the base fare.

 

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Exactly my point.....seasoned cruises do care and ncl doesn't like that it seems because they are trying to drive us away imho

 

Newbies don't care because they just don't know any better (not an insult to them btw) and ncl is thrilled they don't know the difference.

 

 

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[Crusin6]

Everyone puts a different value on their cruises and might be different than yours.

 

 

 

I'm a seasoned bragger, never said I was a low price bragger and my NCL cruises are still considerably less than my land vacations or those cruises on Celebrity and Crystal. I'm not a fan of prime rib myself, as I'd rather have the filet in Cagney's.

 

 

I preferred the old cagneys pre $30 per head and pre al a carte

 

The shrimp cocktail was bigger the sides were better the price was better

 

They raise the price and go from colossal shrimp to large shrimp they give cheap sides among other things. But whatever. Good night

 

 

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[NLH Arizona]

I preferred the old cagneys pre $30 per head and pre al a carte

 

The shrimp cocktail was bigger the sides were better the price was better

 

They raise the price and go from colossal shrimp to large shrimp they give cheap sides among other things. But whatever. Good night

 

 

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I love Cagney's and usually eat there 3 or 4 nights on a 7 day cruise. I always purchase the UDP for the entire cruise, so it ends up being $20 per meal for me, as I feel it is the best value.

 

Don't eat shellfish, but I love the baked potatoes and always have the wedge salad.

 

I guess we just all have different tastes and thank goodness for that, otherwise I probably wouldn't be able to get into Cagney's as many times I do on my cruises. Have a good evening.

[motleyfan]

That shouldn't be hard. The FACT is that every other commercial cruise line offers prime rib in the base fare. NCL is the only one "up-charging" for it.

 

I am cruising for the second time ever and chose Escape. I am pleased the ships are moving towards a pay for your preference vs. all inclusive. The only other cruise I have been on I was sickened by the number of people who were piling food on their plastic trays on the buffet and ordering everything on the menu in the MDR. Looking at the size of many of these people, they definitely could've said no to the second entree, let alone 3rd dessert. What was strange was that this food gluttony was the norm. It was uncomfortable to be around - foodaholics vs. alcoholics.

 

Perhaps people will act with a little more dignity and eat with more manners and considerately in front of others if they make this choice at their own cost vs. spreading it across the fare of all cruisers.

 

And for my part, I am happy to pay to go to a specialty restaurant and steer my family away from the free for all spectacle many obese cruisers make at the buffet.

 

I agree with everything you said, except i don't understand why you feel the need to insult " obese " cruisers. I've seen skinny and muscular people with horrible eating manners as well.