Rare A&L_Ont Posted April 15, 2016 #1 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Until Harmony arrives which ship is bigger? I was always under the impression that Allure was longer therefore she was the biggest. On Gambee's "Pictoral Review" he commented that the cruise director kept going on that Oasis was the largest. I was surprised by this. Another poster on Gambee's thread stated that, "Oasis is actually longer than Allure after it's drydock". In all honesty I sailed on both ships after their respective dry docks and I didn't see any difference.;) Since I didn't want to divert Gambee's thread my question is, which ship is "bigger". Is it still Allure or did Oasis gain a few lbs over the years? Is it determined by length, or displacement or is tonnage? Google was not much help either, as they bundle the Oasis Class together. I am curious to see what you say. In a few months when Harmony sails it won't matter, but until then there is a title in question.:) EDIT: I hope you got the tonnage joke in the thread title.:p Edited April 15, 2016 by A&L_Ont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_BA Posted April 15, 2016 #2 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Oasis: Gross Tonnage 225,282 Length 1,186.5 ft Max Beam 213 ft Draft 30 ft Cruising Speed 22.6 knots http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do?shipClassCode=OA&shipCode=OA&br=R Allure: Gross Tonnage 225,282 Length 1,187 ft Max Beam 213 ft Draft 30 ft Cruising Speed 22.6 knots http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do?shipClassCode=OA&shipCode=AL&br=R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBone2K Posted April 15, 2016 #3 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Oasis had a change done on the isopods during drydock, which make them stick further out the back. That made Oasis an inch "longer" than Allure. Edit: However the official length of a ship (MBA posted while I was writing) is "stem to stern", which doesn't include the props. So in reality, it come down to which ship's captain you ask who's is longer. Edited April 15, 2016 by TBone2K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted April 15, 2016 Author #4 Share Posted April 15, 2016 (edited) Oasis had a change done on the isopods during drydock, which make them stick further out the back. That made Oasis an inch "longer" than Allure. Edit: However the official length of a ship (MBA posted while I was writing) is "stem to stern", which doesn't include the props. So in reality, it come down to which ship's captain you ask who's is longer. So in reality it comes down to what a man has to say about their equipment, which is below the water line... :p:) As a man I still can't let that joke go unsaid. Edited April 15, 2016 by A&L_Ont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M_BA Posted April 15, 2016 #5 Share Posted April 15, 2016 I'm sure each has their own opinion! I forgot to include the Harmony info: Gross Tonnage 226,000 Length 1,187 ft Max Beam 154 ft Draft 30 ft Cruising Speed 23 knots http://www.royalcaribbean.com/findacruise/ships/class/ship/home.do?shipClassCode=OA&shipCode=HM&br=R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 15, 2016 #6 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Oasis had a change done on the isopods during drydock, which make them stick further out the back. That made Oasis an inch "longer" than Allure. Edit: However the official length of a ship (MBA posted while I was writing) is "stem to stern", which doesn't include the props. So in reality, it come down to which ship's captain you ask who's is longer. The only possible change would have been an extension of the "fairwater cap" on the back of the fixipod, since this is the aftermost pod. Not sure why they would have done that, but regardless the LOA is for hull dimensions. Whether Allure is "bigger" due to being maybe 4-6" longer is really pretty moot. It can also depend on what time of day, and the temperature, that the measurement is taken. Just like gross tonnage, it's all pretty much an approximation. Any two ships, built to the same set of plans will not match each other in multitudes of dimensions. Shipbuilding is still a lot more art than science. The real measure of how large a ship is, is it's displacement, or the weight of water it displaces (essentially its weight with cargo). Oasis and Allure aren't even in the world class by this measurement, when you see that the largest bulk carrier in the world has a deadweight (weight of cargo and fuel it can carry) is over 400,000 tons, while the displacement of the Oasis/Allure is reported to be around 100,000 tons. So the M/V Vale Brasil could lift 4 Oasis class ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonkie Posted April 15, 2016 #7 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Does size matter :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 15, 2016 #8 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Does size matter :D Note to self, just walk away. :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonarino Posted April 15, 2016 #9 Share Posted April 15, 2016 Yep, moving right along :rolleyes: ... Some TV commercials and travel shows decided at some point to proclaim Allure "the biggest cruise ship in the world", but beyond one or two completely obscure factors, it's not even worth talking about. I've sailed on Oasis and Allure, and really. I mean come on :rolleyes: ... it's almost like saying I like dining on the port side of the MDR better than the starboard side. But which ship? I can't even remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted April 18, 2016 #10 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Attended C&A Trivia on Freedom last year and a Pinnacle fresh off the Oasis destroyed the poor cruise staff member over this question. Standard answer I have always heard is Allure by a fraction. The person in question berated the trivia lady for about 5 minutes that her answer was wrong, she personally had spoken with the captain of Oasis on the recent TA and he explained to her that they remeasured and Oasis had reclaimed the crown, how could RCI not have informed her that her answer was wrong, etc, etc. The winner of the C&A trivia got a standing ovation just for not being this obnoxious lady :) Doesn't resolve the question but hopefully RCI drops it from their trivia :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 18, 2016 #11 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Attended C&A Trivia on Freedom last year and a Pinnacle fresh off the Oasis destroyed the poor cruise staff member over this question. Standard answer I have always heard is Allure by a fraction. The person in question berated the trivia lady for about 5 minutes that her answer was wrong, she personally had spoken with the captain of Oasis on the recent TA and he explained to her that they remeasured and Oasis had reclaimed the crown, how could RCI not have informed her that her answer was wrong, etc, etc. The winner of the C&A trivia got a standing ovation just for not being this obnoxious lady :) Doesn't resolve the question but hopefully RCI drops it from their trivia :) It won't matter soon, Harmony is definitely larger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 18, 2016 #12 Share Posted April 18, 2016 It won't matter soon, Harmony is definitely larger Depends on what the question is; longer or "larger". Harmony will not be longer, but her gross tonnage is larger. Whether this is due to an actual increase in internal volume, or a different application of the multitude of factors that modify the actual volume to reach gross tonnage, I can't say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted April 18, 2016 #13 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Depends on what the question is; longer or "larger". Harmony will not be longer, but her gross tonnage is larger. Whether this is due to an actual increase in internal volume, or a different application of the multitude of factors that modify the actual volume to reach gross tonnage, I can't say. Probably internal volume by enclosing previously open spaces. Some have said she has a wider beam, but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sitzmark Posted April 18, 2016 #14 Share Posted April 18, 2016 The only possible change would have been an extension of the "fairwater cap" on the back of the fixipod, since this is the aftermost pod. Not sure why they would have done that, but regardless the LOA is for hull dimensions. Oasis and Allure do not have fixipods as far as I know, they both have 3 azipods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarea Posted April 18, 2016 #15 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Oasis and Allure do not have fixipods as far as I know, they both have 3 azipods. That is my understanding also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 18, 2016 #16 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Oasis and Allure do not have fixipods as far as I know, they both have 3 azipods. Correct, thinking of Freedom class. Apologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papcx Posted April 18, 2016 #17 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Correct, thinking of Freedom class. Apologies. What the **** is going on here? Pigs flying and hell freezing over? chengkp75 getting facts wrong! [emoji3] I'm going to have to go away and re-assess everything I thought I knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted April 18, 2016 Author #18 Share Posted April 18, 2016 What the **** is going on here? Pigs flying and hell freezing over? chengkp75 getting facts wrong! [emoji3] I'm going to have to go away and re-assess everything I thought I knew. You better avoid reading any of Bob's posts, as this could really go south on you.:eek::) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saab4444 Posted April 18, 2016 #19 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Depends on what the question is; longer or "larger". Harmony will not be longer, but her gross tonnage is larger. Whether this is due to an actual increase in internal volume, or a different application of the multitude of factors that modify the actual volume to reach gross tonnage, I can't say. The difference in size comes from the enlarged solarium structure. on Harmony. Allure and Oasis have an open deck in front of the solarium. That's all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 18, 2016 #20 Share Posted April 18, 2016 What the **** is going on here? Pigs flying and hell freezing over? chengkp75 getting facts wrong! [emoji3] I'm going to have to go away and re-assess everything I thought I knew. Not perfect, not even close, just ask my wife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papcx Posted April 18, 2016 #21 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Not perfect, not even close, just ask my wife! But I thought you were perfect! My world is crumbling. [emoji20] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipo Posted April 18, 2016 #22 Share Posted April 18, 2016 (edited) Oasis it's heavier than Allure, this was confirmed by the CD on my last cruise on the Allure. But for operational effects, both have the same reported weight. But Allure has more length AT WATERLINE, which makes it technically bigger. Edited April 18, 2016 by Pipo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted April 18, 2016 #23 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Oasis it's heavier than Allure, this was confirmed by the CD on my last cruise on the Allure. But for operational effects, both have the same reported weight.But Allure has more length AT WATERLINE, which makes it technically bigger. When you refer to "same reported weight" are you referring to "gross tonnage"? Because gross tonnage has nothing to do with a ship's weight. To use Wiki's somewhat basic definition: "Gross tonnage (often abbreviated as GT, G.T. or gt) is a unitless index related to a ship's overall internal volume. Gross tonnage is different from gross register tonnage.[1] Neither gross tonnage nor gross register tonnage is a measure of the ship's displacement (mass) and should not be confused with terms such as deadweight tonnage or displacement." Due to the added length of Allure, the ship MAY be heavier (displacement) than Oasis, but that is not a given, and can only be determined when the ship is first built (and empty of people, fuel, water, and supplies) and the draft can be measured and the displacement calculated from the hull shape drawings and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclop Posted April 19, 2016 #24 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Allure by a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipo Posted April 19, 2016 #25 Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) When you refer to "same reported weight" are you referring to "gross tonnage"? Because gross tonnage has nothing to do with a ship's weight. To use Wiki's somewhat basic definition: "Gross tonnage (often abbreviated as GT, G.T. or gt) is a unitless index related to a ship's overall internal volume. Gross tonnage is different from gross register tonnage.[1] Neither gross tonnage nor gross register tonnage is a measure of the ship's displacement (mass) and should not be confused with terms such as deadweight tonnage or displacement." Due to the added length of Allure, the ship MAY be heavier (displacement) than Oasis, but that is not a given, and can only be determined when the ship is first built (and empty of people, fuel, water, and supplies) and the draft can be measured and the displacement calculated from the hull shape drawings and the draft. Thank you. Same gross tonnage for both ships. Oasis it's heavier. Edited April 19, 2016 by Pipo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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