coneyraven Posted May 9, 2016 #1 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Fortunately Grandeur is on its way the Bermuda and won't be back till the 12th. Does anyone know what changes will be made until repairs are made? Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted May 9, 2016 Author #2 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pumbaamd Posted May 9, 2016 #3 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Looks like CCL Pride got off today with minimal delay. Hear that there is a back up ramp there for such incidents. Grandeur should be OK. R&D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hapster85 Posted May 9, 2016 #4 Share Posted May 9, 2016 What happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
judymag Posted May 9, 2016 #5 Share Posted May 9, 2016 What happened? Carnival ship hit the ramp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hapster85 Posted May 9, 2016 #6 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leaveitallbehind Posted May 9, 2016 #7 Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) Grandeur (as with most ships) can disembark and re-board at pier level as when they are at a port of call. The ramp, while more convenient, is not required. As per other threads, Carnival Pride hit the ramp while docking yesterday. Fortunately there were no injuries. Edited May 9, 2016 by leaveitallbehind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted May 9, 2016 Author #8 Share Posted May 9, 2016 The Carnival ship left Baltimore about 90 minutes late. I wonder how long it will take to repair/replace that section of the gangway. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly Steve Posted May 9, 2016 #9 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Grandeur (as with most ships) can disembark and re-board at pier level as when they are at a port of call. The ramp, while more convenient, is not required. As per other threads, Carnival Pride hit the ramp while docking yesterday. Fortunately there were no injuries. So glad to hear no one was hurt. Must have made an awful sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted May 9, 2016 Author #10 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Local news had witnesses saying that they could hear the crash as the section tipped over. It looks like the most damage occurred at the end that had it attached to the rest of the gangway, like it was ripped off. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERIE 13 Posted May 9, 2016 #11 Share Posted May 9, 2016 How in the world does something like that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather1972 Posted May 9, 2016 #12 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Amazed by this... I've sailed out of Baltimore port twice. What a mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderista Posted May 9, 2016 #13 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Sailing out of Baltimore on Grandeur in less than two weeks. I'll board however they tell me to, but wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinEnedy Posted May 9, 2016 #14 Share Posted May 9, 2016 They must have had the gangway extended too far. Sailed 4 times on the Carnival Pride with no problems at all.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinEnedy Posted May 9, 2016 #15 Share Posted May 9, 2016 They just boarded at the level the same as the pier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted May 9, 2016 Author #16 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Reports on local TV Stations this morning say that the Captain was at fault. Now what that means, I don't know, I guess we'll learn together. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thetrail Posted May 9, 2016 #17 Share Posted May 9, 2016 How in the world does something like that happen.It's Carnival......:eek::eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 9, 2016 #18 Share Posted May 9, 2016 I will respond as I have on the other threads about this both here on RCI and over on the Carnival forums. Rather than listen to local news, I will wait for the results of the USCG investigation before I place a whole lot of blame. Because the ship is moving, and the ramp is essentially a stationary object, the ship is by definition "at fault", even though the ship has limited stopping ability. Since the ship is at fault, the Captain is responsible. Now whether this was an error by the bridge team, a mechanical failure, an act of god (wind gust), or caused by an outside force (another ship's wake acting on the Pride), that has yet to be determined, and this will determine if the Captain was "at fault" or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted May 9, 2016 Author #19 Share Posted May 9, 2016 I will respond as I have on the other threads about this both here on RCI and over on the Carnival forums. Rather than listen to local news, I will wait for the results of the USCG investigation before I place a whole lot of blame. Because the ship is moving, and the ramp is essentially a stationary object, the ship is by definition "at fault", even though the ship has limited stopping ability. Since the ship is at fault, the Captain is responsible. Now whether this was an error by the bridge team, a mechanical failure, an act of god (wind gust), or caused by an outside force (another ship's wake acting on the Pride), that has yet to be determined, and this will determine if the Captain was "at fault" or not. Well said. We'll have to see what the USCG says. I wonder how long it will take to rebuild/repair/replace it. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted May 9, 2016 #20 Share Posted May 9, 2016 I will respond as I have on the other threads about this both here on RCI and over on the Carnival forums. Rather than listen to local news, I will wait for the results of the USCG investigation before I place a whole lot of blame. Because the ship is moving, and the ramp is essentially a stationary object, the ship is by definition "at fault", even though the ship has limited stopping ability. Since the ship is at fault, the Captain is responsible. Now whether this was an error by the bridge team, a mechanical failure, an act of god (wind gust), or caused by an outside force (another ship's wake acting on the Pride), that has yet to be determined, and this will determine if the Captain was "at fault" or not. Chief, as always you have many valid points. I have read the Carnival Boards but did not post there as it is a lot of back and forth. I am more curious to what would stick out far enough (on the ship) to hit the gangway. I would have thought that anything hanging that far out from either "side", either from the ship or land, would have meant "crashing" the ship on the pier.:confused: Hopefully I explained that well enough. That all being said, just as you explained, the pier is stationary and the Captain is in control of the moving ship. Just like me with the car on the street, you park where you fit. If I dont I move on or wait until the spot is prepared for my arrival. That all being said, I have watched others park by feel, and seen them tap the car in front and the car behind until they fit.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLSteve11 Posted May 9, 2016 #21 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Well said. We'll have to see what the USCG says. I wonder how long it will take to rebuild/repair/replace it. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app I'll give them a month and a half (since we're boarding Grandeur June 23rd *sly grin*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coneyraven Posted May 9, 2016 Author #22 Share Posted May 9, 2016 I'll give them a month and a half (since we're boarding Grandeur June 23rd *sly grin*) I totally understand. I don't know about the rest of you, but there's a certain thrill, an adrenaline rush that I get crossing the gangway; knowing that the stresses of life are at one end and that I'm going towards the other. My next Grandeur Cruise is in September. I would hope it would be back in operation by then. Sent from my iPhone using Forums mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firefighterhoop Posted May 9, 2016 #23 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Chief, as always you have many valid points. I have read the Carnival Boards but did not post there as it is a lot of back and forth. I am more curious to what would stick out far enough (on the ship) to hit the gangway. I would have thought that anything hanging that far out from either "side", either from the ship or land, would have meant "crashing" the ship on the pier.:confused: Hopefully I explained that well enough. That all being said, just as you explained, the pier is stationary and the Captain is in control of the moving ship. Just like me with the car on the street, you park where you fit. If I dont I move on or wait until the spot is prepared for my arrival. That all being said, I have watched others park by feel, and seen them tap the car in front and the car behind until they fit.;) That was the first thing that came to my mind too - if the ramp was pushed back from the ship, there shouldn't be anything that could hit the ramp/wheels?? It will be interesting when they release the chain of events! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted May 9, 2016 #24 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Chief, as always you have many valid points. I have read the Carnival Boards but did not post there as it is a lot of back and forth. I am more curious to what would stick out far enough (on the ship) to hit the gangway. I would have thought that anything hanging that far out from either "side", either from the ship or land, would have meant "crashing" the ship on the pier.:confused: Hopefully I explained that well enough. That all being said, just as you explained, the pier is stationary and the Captain is in control of the moving ship. Just like me with the car on the street, you park where you fit. If I dont I move on or wait until the spot is prepared for my arrival. That all being said, I have watched others park by feel, and seen them tap the car in front and the car behind until they fit.;) From what I've heard, it was the bow mooring platform that folds out to allow the deck officer to watch the line handling that hit the ramp. Apparently, the ship came in at an angle, rather than parallel, and this platform can protrude over the edge of the dock. Not sure if the ramp was in the normal stowed position, I've heard conflicting stories. Yeah, the Boston "park by the sound of breaking glass" prompted the invention of the rubber "bumper bully" to protect against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted May 9, 2016 #25 Share Posted May 9, 2016 (edited) From what I've heard, it was the bow mooring platform that folds out to allow the deck officer to watch the line handling that hit the ramp. Apparently, the ship came in at an angle, rather than parallel, and this platform can protrude over the edge of the dock. Not sure if the ramp was in the normal stowed position, I've heard conflicting stories. Yeah, the Boston "park by the sound of breaking glass" prompted the invention of the rubber "bumper bully" to protect against this. That angle must have been "just perfect" to get that perverbial one in a million shot. Kind of like the Episode of Seinfeld, with "Fusilli Jerry". I guess we might hear one day what happened. The positive is, that with the damage caused, somehow no one was hurt. If you have forgot about Fusilli Jerry, here's the clip. [YOUTUBE]7ZPiWDOCEak[/YOUTUBE] Edited May 9, 2016 by A&L_Ont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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