Getaway - Vibe questi0n

[Two Wheels Only]

Its a high demand area, I think it should be bookable on line and when they are gone they are gone.

 

Suite guests would probably be able to book sooner (like dinner reservations).

[MizDemeanor]

Suite guests would probably be able to book sooner (like dinner reservations).

 

Not a big deal, its likely the higher priced cabins that will go for the extra costs anyway.

[stickey_mouse]

It isn't greed. Is a person in a mini-suite being greedy by taking more space than a person in an inside? No. There are options that are available to everyone and people choose (and pay for) what they want. That isn't greed. VIBE passes are available to everyone but they are limited in number. You were the one who suggested that Haven guests shouldn't be allowed to purchase VIBE passes. No Haven guest has suggested that non-Haven guests shouldn't be allowed to purchase passes. I would disagree with anyone who suggests that certain guests "shouldn't be allowed" to purchase passes that are available to everyone.

 

If you were person 76 in line and missed out on the 75 passes, were the people in front of you "greedy"? No, they just got there before you did. There's no reason to have any animosity towards the people in front of you whether they are Haven guests or not. They wanted the same thing that you did. As stated, Haven guests do not have what VIBE guarantees (limited number, adult-only), so Haven guests are not being "greedy". Stating that it is "...so unfair since they already have a spot reserved for them..." makes it seem like the Haven sundeck and VIBE are the same thing. They are not. They are similar just as Spice H2O and VIBE are similar. If a Haven guest who arrived too late to get a VIBE pass said "Non-Haven guests already have Spice H2O so they shouldn't be allowed to buy VIBE passes...", I'd disagree with that person, too.

 

A non-Haven guest who is too late to get passes shouldn't blame Haven guests even though "...Haven people already have something similar..."..

A Haven guest who arrives too late to get passes shouldn't blame non-Haven guests even though "..Non-Haven people already have something similar..."..

I think you are overthinking this. A few of us simply opined that Haven guests already have exclusive deck space, and therefore, it doesn't seem right to take up limited Vibe passes. Comparing the Vibe passes to mini-suites is a bit unfair, as there are many more of them and available to a larger number of people at the same time.

[Two Wheels Only]

A few of us simply opined that Haven guests already have exclusive deck space, and therefore, it doesn't seem right to take up limited Vibe passes.

Haven guests have an exclusive sundeck but it is not adult-only

Spice H2O is an adult-only sundeck (during the day) but is not exclusive.

If a passenger wants an adult-only sundeck that is exclusive, VIBE is the only option. Haven guests don't "already have" what VIBE offers.

 

Comparing the Vibe passes to mini-suites is a bit unfair, as there are many more of them and available to a larger number of people at the same time.

My point was that it isn't "greedy" for someone to pay for what someone wants that is available to everyone until they are sold out.

[stickey_mouse]

Haven guests have an exclusive sundeck but it is not adult-only

Spice H2O is an adult-only sundeck (during the day) but is not exclusive.

If a passenger wants an adult-only sundeck that is exclusive, VIBE is the only option. Haven guests don't "already have" what VIBE offers.

 

 

My point was that it isn't "greedy" for someone to pay for what someone wants that is available to everyone until they are sold out.

And like a couple of us said, agree to disagree. Opinions are just that, neither wrong nor right.

 

Is the Haven sundeck overrun with children? I really don't understand wanting both. Perhaps the best solution is to do a lottery of some sort, or perhaps open Vibe sales up online 30 days or so before sailing.

[Two Wheels Only]

Is the Haven sundeck overrun with children?

It CAN be (I've never seen it since kids mostly stay by the pool, not the sundeck) but VIBE cannot. Some Haven guests complain (rightly or wrongly) about kids in the Haven courtyard.

 

I really don't understand wanting both.

Those who want both simply want the Haven (and all that comes with it) but also want an exclusive adult-only sundeck that happens to have a bar nearby.

 

Perhaps the best solution is to do a lottery of some sort, or perhaps open Vibe sales up online 30 days or so before sailing.

 

A lottery type of situation would be the most "fair" but would also cause other problems. For example, suppose each stateroom that wants a pass puts a ticket into a jar and after muster, a VIBE employee would pull tickets to see who wins. One problem would be that friends in different staterooms might get split (one couple gets in while the other doesn't). Another problem would be that one stateroom might have 1 adult and another could have 6 adults. How would they insure that a specific number of guests get passes?

 

If they sold passes online, suite guests would probably get to book sooner. Before anyone claims that it is "unfair", remember that suite guests also have to be paid in full before non-suite guests...they also have larger down payments.

[rmmom1962]

I was in Haven last cruise. Never got in the pool too many kids acting crazy. But did enjoy the sun deck. But no jacuzzi. Would have preferred the Vibe.

 

 

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[babybird626]

That too bad. Not sure what the solution should be. Maybe no kids in the Haven. People with kids can still get a big room or suite not in the Haven right?

[Two Wheels Only]

That too bad. Not sure what the solution should be.

The solution would have been to get VIBE passes, as I have posted several times. The example given by "rmmom1962" is one reason why Haven guests still go for VIBE passes.

 

Maybe no kids in the Haven.

The Haven is marketed to families. Even back in the days of Kevin Sheehan..."If you're upscale and you want that experience with a family, then yes. If you go with an upscale line -- I shouldn't really say this -- it'll be an older demographic." - Kevin Sheehan in 2011 when asked if the Haven suites were built with families in mind.

 

People with kids can still get a big room or suite not in the Haven right?

Not really. On Getaway, if someone wants a living-room with a separate bedroom, it will be a Haven suite. Some (like the H6 or H7) will be outside of the Haven complex but they will still be Haven suites.

[babybird626]

If the Haven is marketed to families and there are kids there well that should be ok with the Haven guest. You don't seem to get my point of letting more people have a reserved spot not just the Haven guest. Yes you can go to spice H2O but you are not always going to get a spot. So if that is ok with you that Haven guest have 2 reserved spots leaving fewer for other people I guess my point will have to stand to agree to disagree.

[babybird626]

sorry dupplicate

[Two Wheels Only]

If the Haven is marketed to families and there are kids there well that should be ok with the Haven guest.

The WHOLE ship is marketed to families (and there are kids there) with a few areas that are adult-only.

The Haven is marketed to families with no areas that are adult-only.

 

If non-Haven guests want a sundeck area that is adult-only and exclusive (VIBE), why shouldn't Haven guests want the same thing? You seem to feel that "...they already have that..." when they don't.

 

 

You don't seem to get my point of letting more people have a reserved spot not just the Haven guest.

The idea of "letting more people have a reserved spot" is an oxymoron. :p

 

Yes you can go to spice H2O but you are not always going to get a spot.

Yes, Haven guests can go to the Haven sundeck but it is not always going to be adult-only...because it isn't meant to be. Every reason that you have given for non-Haven guests to want VIBE access is exactly the same as the reason for Haven guests to want VIBE access

 

So if that is ok with you that Haven guest have 2 reserved spots leaving fewer for other people I guess my point will have to stand to agree to disagree.

 

Haven guests don't have 2 reserved/exclusive sundecks that are adult only.....Haven guests have none that fit that description.

Edited February 10, 2017 by Two Wheels Only

[MizDemeanor]

I don't think I could ever call the pool in Haven area a pool...to me its a foot bath. I simagine that may be why its so kid friendly. The sun deck in the draw for us.

[babybird626]

Haven guest would have 2 reserved spots. And others would have no reserved spot. Are the kids really that bad?

[SuiteTraveler]

Haven guest would have 2 reserved spots. And others would have no reserved spot. Are the kids really that bad?

 

On cruises during the school holidays there have been reports of kids going wild in the Haven pool area - so much so it was unusable for adults, hence the complaints and wish for a child-free sundeck area. In my experience in the Haven, I've never had this problem, but then I don't cruise during the school holidays, so that makes a huge difference. But I have seen posts here by people who literally could not use the Haven pool area because the place was overrun with apparently unruly and unsupervised kids on a daily basis who were constantly jumping into the pool and running around and screaming and doing what kids do.

[stickey_mouse]

On cruises during the school holidays there have been reports of kids going wild in the Haven pool area - so much so it was unusable for adults, hence the complaints and wish for a child-free sundeck area. In my experience in the Haven, I've never had this problem, but then I don't cruise during the school holidays, so that makes a huge difference. But I have seen posts here by people who literally could not use the Haven pool area because the place was overrun with apparently unruly and unsupervised kids on a daily basis who were constantly jumping into the pool and running around and screaming and doing what kids do.

Then NCL should "police" this area better. That's a lot of money to pay to get a pool area that is overrun with wildlings. Perhaps if NCL did a better job of making the Haven pool area more serene, Haven guests wouldn't want to get in Vibe as much as they do.

 

But I still stand by my opinion that Haven guests should not be allowed in Vibe, at least given their ability to board early and/or have their concierge get the passes for them.

[babybird626]

On cruises during the school holidays there have been reports of kids going wild in the Haven pool area - so much so it was unusable for adults, hence the complaints and wish for a child-free sundeck area. In my experience in the Haven, I've never had this problem, but then I don't cruise during the school holidays, so that makes a huge difference. But I have seen posts here by people who literally could not use the Haven pool area because the place was overrun with apparently unruly and unsupervised kids on a daily basis who were constantly jumping into the pool and running around and screaming and doing what kids do.

I guess I will have to plan for this

[Doc2725]

To be honest, if you are not a have guest, or are not in a special boarding group (wedding, casino perks, etc.), or in boarding group 1, you won't get vibe. It will be sold out.

[babybird626]

Then NCL should "police" this area better. That's a lot of money to pay to get a pool area that is overrun with wildlings. Perhaps if NCL did a better job of making the Haven pool area more serene, Haven guests wouldn't want to get in Vibe as much as they do.

 

But I still stand by my opinion that Haven guests should not be allowed in Vibe, at least given their ability to board early and/or have their concierge get the passes for them.

I agree

[babybird626]

To be honest, if you are not a have guest, or are not in a special boarding group (wedding, casino perks, etc.), or in boarding group 1, you won't get vibe. It will be sold out.

I was in boarding group 12 and just missed it by one group in front of me. This was at 11:00 at guest services. So when I found out Haven guest had Vibe passes I was even more disappointed. There was also a group of 20 who got passes not sure if they were Haven or not. There was a marathon in Miami and the street in front of my hotel reopened later then they said so I arrived a port a little later than planned. So there is still a chance but you have to get there early.

[Two Wheels Only]

But I still stand by my opinion that Haven guests should not be allowed in Vibe, at least given their ability to board early and/or have their concierge get the passes for them.

 

I'll ask the question again....

 

Should people who can drive to port and arrive early be "allowed" to purchase VIBE passes before guests who fly in and arrive later?

 

If yes, those who arrive early have an "unfair" advantage (according to some).

If no, then the argument is with the distribution process and not with whomever (Haven guest or not) gets a pass.

 

If people have a problem with the "first come/first serve" process, it isn't Haven guests who are the problem. Haven guests are being no different than those who arrive early. Should CAS guests be allowed in VIBE? They also get to board early. What about B2B guests? They also get to board early.

 

Haven guests are no different than non-Haven guests as far as wanting an exclusive/adult-only sundeck so why desire to prevent them from getting passes to the only place that offers an exclusive/adult-only sundeck?

 

Pointing to the Haven courtyard and saying "...they already have an exclusive place..." would be like a Haven guest pointing to Spice H2O and saying "...they already have an adult-only sundeck...". BOTH groups should be able to use VIBE but since VIBE passes are limited, some from both groups will miss out.

 

BOTH Haven and non-Haven guests want the same thing so why would anyone want to deny anyone from being able to get a pass?

[stickey_mouse]

I'll ask the question again....

 

Should people who can drive to port and arrive early be "allowed" to purchase VIBE passes before guests who fly in and arrive later?

Ask all you want, but I'm not sure I see the relevancy of the comparison. If someone wants Vibe, they need to make sure they get to the port as early as possible. That may influence their decision among transportation options, when to head to Miami (or whichever port), etc. However, if they arrive at the same time as a Haven guest, they "lose". Automatically. Even if they camped out on the curb all night. That's the difference.

 

If no, then the argument is with the distribution process and not with whomever (Haven guest or not) gets a pass.

I'm not sure there is any argument here. We are griping about the process.

[Two Wheels Only]

However, if they arrive at the same time as a Haven guest, they "lose". Automatically. Even if they camped out on the curb all night. That's the difference.

If someone camps out all night, CAS guests will still board first. Should CAS guests be banned from VIBE?

 

If someone camps out all night, B2B guests will still board first. Should B2B guests be banned from VIBE?

 

If someone camps out all night, Platinum, Platinum Plus, and Ambassador will still board first. Should all of those groups be banned from VIBE?

 

 

I'm not sure there is any argument here. We are griping about the process.

 

First, it was about Haven guests and it being "unfair since they already have a spot reserved for them. Kinda greedy actually. They shouldn't be able to get them until everyone else has boarded. " (post #7 from babybird626 ) and I have already proven that VIBE is different than the Haven courtyard so Haven guests don't "already have".

 

Now, people are complaining about Haven guests boarding first but it isn't only Haven guests who board first/before general boarding.Everytime someone doesn't get a VIBE pass, there seems to be blame thrown at Haven guests when there are many people (incl. wedding parties) who board before general boarding and are able to get VIBE passes.

[stickey_mouse]

If someone camps out all night, CAS guests will still board first. Should CAS guests be banned from VIBE?

 

If someone camps out all night, B2B guests will still board first. Should B2B guests be banned from VIBE?

 

If someone camps out all night, Platinum, Platinum Plus, and Ambassador will still board first. Should all of those groups be banned from VIBE?

As the process now stands, yes. Well, I'm not sure I'm willing to say "banned". I'd rather go with "banned from getting them early".

 

First, it was about Haven guests and it being "unfair since they already have a spot reserved for them. Kinda greedy actually. They shouldn't be able to get them until everyone else has boarded. " (post #7 from babybird626 ) and I have already proven that VIBE is different than the Haven courtyard so Haven guests don't "already have".

 

Now, people are complaining about Haven guests boarding first but it isn't only Haven guests who board first/before general boarding.Everytime someone doesn't get a VIBE pass, there seems to be blame thrown at Haven guests when there are many people (incl. wedding parties) who board before general boarding and are able to get VIBE passes.

Again, I think you are missing the point. The argument about Haven guests arose, so that is why I addressed it. I didn't take on CAS guests because it wasn't the topic at hand. As the process currently stands, anybody who is allowed to board early is at an unfair advantage to get into Vibe. Haven guests aren't the only ones. I get it. My problem is with the process. Haven guests are just the obvious (or, most irritating?) example because they already have exclusive access to certain areas. Yes, Vibe is different than the Haven courtyard. I (and likely we) get that, so please don't feel a need to keep pointing that out. I am taking issue with the process at hand, which gives those with early embarkation the upper hand, when often times, those with early embarkation already have numerous other perks. For those of us in 'regular' cabins, this is extremely annoying. I'm suggesting that NCL level the playing field when it comes to Vibe passes. I think babybird used the term 'greedy' to imply that someone who takes advantage of an unfair process is in essence being (at least somewhat) unfair. I can't speak for babybird, but I'd bet his/her complaint, like mine, is with the process itself.

[Doc2725]

I was in boarding group 12 and just missed it by one group in front of me. This was at 11:00 at guest services. So when I found out Haven guest had Vibe passes I was even more disappointed. There was also a group of 20 who got passes not sure if they were Haven or not. There was a marathon in Miami and the street in front of my hotel reopened later then they said so I arrived a port a little later than planned. So there is still a chance but you have to get there early.

 

What time did you get to port?