Not a DREAM

[jimbo5544]

Some of you are so very defensive! I wouldn't have even thought this is a topic for debate. The Carnival ships are CLEARLY not maintained to the standards of other lines. They have a worn out look to them. Dream and Oasis are the exact same age, but Oasis is in much better condition. It just is what it is. I still sail Carnival, but I'm well aware of the fact that the ships look aged, rusted, and worn out. That was the first impression I had when we sailed Carnival last year as well... just how poor overall condition the ship was. Still had a great time, but come on.... is this even debatable?

 

 

 

Describe clearly for me

 

 

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[rbt001]

It seems the OP main complaint is the lack of competition games but it sees to me that five kids and their parents could easily make up their own games. Pools, waterslides, ping pong, cards, trivia, and board games are enough to keep my family entertained.

 

I agree! How about "Count the Rust Spots!" Hours and hours of fun!

[BNBR]

Describe clearly for me

 

 

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The same way you can "clearly" tell a difference between a Motel 6 and a Ritz-Carlton. It's just, obvious. You don't agree, that's fine.

[rbt001]

That's been my impression of Carnival so far. Ships are ugly, rusted, and worn out looking and don't stand up to other lines, ...

 

As for maintenance, isn't Carnival the ones who have had nearly all the high profile maintenance related disasters over the last decade?

 

And that's probably the most important point.

 

Filthy loungers and excessive rust will not spoil my cruise. The point is... that when the lack of maintenance is so blatantly on display, isn't it reasonable to start questioning "what other unseen-- and possibly more critical-- maintenance issues exist?"

[FLSteve11]

Oh, how incorrectly you deduce.

 

It has been this particular subject, this thread, that I have been most vocal. To me, when I see those filthy stained loungers, I begin to wonder... that if Carnival crew, staff, and officers are blind to this particular dirt, then what other items to they overlook?

 

I think this is more an issue of the Dream though. While the Splendor was in worse shape then expected when I sailed her (considering it was shortly after drydock, I realize now it was just to get it nicer to move it out of fleet). I have never seen loungers like that before. Clearly someone on the Dream isn't doing their job properly. That doesn't mean it goes on to the entire fleet. The Breeze when I sailed her was spotless, and it's the same class of ship.

[rbt001]

I think this is more an issue of the Dream though. While the Splendor was in worse shape then expected when I sailed her (considering it was shortly after drydock, I realize now it was just to get it nicer to move it out of fleet). I have never seen loungers like that before. Clearly someone on the Dream isn't doing their job properly. That doesn't mean it goes on to the entire fleet. The Breeze when I sailed her was spotless, and it's the same class of ship.

 

 

Anyone have pictures of the loungers on Carnival Triumph, circa 2013?

[Havingfun2010]

What a coincidence that you (of all people) overheard a kid disparaging a Carnival ship....oh wait, how is your son?

 

Thanks for asking. My sons are doing well. Both are married. Currently one of them are booked on a cruise, and no, it's not Carnival. Their descriptions are much more colorful than mine. However, anyone walking down a dock can clearly see the difference between the ship in port.

[jimbo5544]

The same way you can "clearly" tell a difference between a Motel 6 and a Ritz-Carlton. It's just, obvious. You don't agree, that's fine.

 

 

 

Great analogy

 

 

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[jimbo5544]

Thanks for asking. My sons are doing well. Both are married. Currently one of them are booked on a cruise, and no, it's not Carnival. Their descriptions are much more colorful than mine. However, anyone walking down a dock can clearly see the difference between the ship in port.

 

 

I am sure you trained them well

 

 

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[Ethel Henderson]

Oh, Ethel, do I hear venom in your voice?

 

First, you are spot-on with respect to my intentional mention that it's a complimentary cruise-- in a suite, please remember.

 

My Carnival Corporation contact knows that I am " ...at home on Princess... " and usually ensures I am accommodated on that line. This time, however, it was me that opted to give Carnival a try. If my wallet were a factor, Princess would be my choice.

 

Monocles? Precise word choice, though I am confused at the implication: that I'm old, old-fashioned, or just "out of date." Perhaps you meant something else. For the record, I'm "middle-aged" and not retired. So, no monocle for me.

 

 

Did you mean magnifying glass or microscope? Sadly, as other posters have pointed out in this thread, even a blind man could clearly see Carnival's maintenance faults.

 

 

Lecture to the captain? Ethel, dear: I'm smart enough to know that would be a waste of time. While The Captain is the most powerful individual on the ship, his/her hands are tied, bond and gagged either by the corporate mantra of shareholder value or most likely swayed by incentive compensation weighed and distributed by same corporate values.

 

For balance, let me say that I have read encouraging threads in the Carnival forum. Chef's Table sounds like a dining experience that may surpass that of a Princess Chef's table. The overwhelming comments indicate that the Carnival staff and crew members are friendly and committed to providing good service and an enjoyable cruise. And food reviews for the MDR indicate that there's more to the menu than just fried chicken and meat loaf.

 

 

Now now sweetie, surely you are astute enough to know you cannot "hear" anything off of cruise critic? Psst careful, you'll blow your cover!

[rbt001]

Now now sweetie, surely you are astute enough to know you cannot "hear" anything off of cruise critic? Psst careful, you'll blow your cover!

 

Edsel, dear... I truly am confused by your reply.

[Ethel Henderson]

Edsel, dear... I truly am confused by your reply.

 

Son, this does not surprise me in the least coming from someone who thinks they "hear" something on an internet forum lol

[rbt001]

Son, this does not surprise me in the least coming from someone who thinks they "hear" something on an internet forum lol

 

Edsel, I overlooked my wording. Restated "... do I detect venom in your initial response?"

[Malibubarbee]

*grabs popcorn* this is good lunch time entertainment.

[Thorncroft]

Reading this thread is like hanging out in the parking lot at a T-ball game and listening to a couple dads discuss the merits of their '72 Toyota Corolla vs the other's 2017 Suburban. Gloating and trash talk from one and feelings of inadequacy and indignation from the other.

[jimbo5544]

Reading this thread is like hanging out in the parking lot at a T-ball game and listening to a couple dads discuss the merits of their '72 Toyota Corolla vs the other's 2017 Suburban. Gloating and trash talk from one and feelings of inadequacy and indignation from the other.

 

 

 

Do they even make a suburban any more?

 

 

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[AnitaVacation]

And that's probably the most important point.

 

Filthy loungers and excessive rust will not spoil my cruise. The point is... that when the lack of maintenance is so blatantly on display, isn't it reasonable to start questioning "what other unseen-- and possibly more critical-- maintenance issues exist?"

 

Thank you...this was my point.....I did not intentionally go looking for faults on our cruise....they were 'blatantly on display' for all to see.....and I did not let it spoil my cruise, we avoid the common areas anyways...we just happened onto the Serenity deck while our cabin was being finished...(pre-cruise)....

I had a chuckle over the post to 'just throw a towel over it, you'll be fine' .....really?? That's you're response?? (oh, somebody just vomited over here....I'll just throw a towel over and I'll be fine)....

 

btw....those photos were from The Pride, not The Dream.....and I do apologize to the OP, this thread has turned into more about maintenance than activities......but it's been fun reading (not hearing) everyone's perspective....

[AnitaVacation]

That's you're response?? ..

 

GUILTY!! your/you're ;p

[Thorncroft]

Do they even make a suburban any more?

 

 

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Yes. $50,000 a pop. But sadly, no more '72 Corolla,

[LMaxwell]

Garbage scowl....LOL

Let's see.....hmmmm, is that maintaining or maybe something more than that..... what could it be, what could it be.... wait I got it..... age. Divina is 12 years newer than Victory. Kind of throws out the spotless to garbage argument (I do appreciate your objective view....especially the garbage scowl tho). A 17 year old ship is well, what is the word to describe it....older.

 

Sing and dance all you want, Carnival does not take as good a care of cosmetics as other lines. A 20 year old can look pristine with maintenance, a 2 year old ship can look run down without constant upkeep. I believe Carnival does this as a way of subtly pushing customers to higher priced lines under the same umbrella. Some people won't notice at all, to others it really sticks out.

 

I did find the public interior spaces on the Victory to be clean, but exterior decks showed lots of wear and tear and clearly were not kept to as high a standard as other lines.

[LMaxwell]

Substitute "wronger doers" for "cheaters"

 

Yet I'm still sure you'll have an argument justifying the practice.

 

The intended purpose is to provide a convenient way for passengers to gamble in the casino--- not siphon cash from the ship at a hard cost to the casino and or cruise line.

 

Carnival could change its own policies; as it stands doing something, actually anything, that is allowed by policy doesn't make someone a "wronger doer" or a "cheater" no matter how cross eyed you may get looking down your nose.

 

Carnival Ships = Not cosmetically as well kept as other lines, regardless of age.

Acting within Carnival policy = Hunky dory

[LMaxwell]

Yes. $50,000 a pop. But sadly, no more '72 Corolla,

 

$50K for a base bare bones model; 65-70K nicely equipped.

[Thorncroft]

$50K for a base bare bones model; 65-70K nicely equipped.

 

 

Yes, and no telling what a mint '72 Corolla will set you back these days. We're talking antique vehicle here.

:D

[riclop]

Thanks for the pennies.;p

[jimbo5544]

Sing and dance all you want, Carnival does not take as good a care of cosmetics as other lines. A 20 year old can look pristine with maintenance, a 2 year old ship can look run down without constant upkeep. I believe Carnival does this as a way of subtly pushing customers to higher priced lines under the same umbrella. Some people won't notice at all, to others it really sticks out.

 

 

 

I did find the public interior spaces on the Victory to be clean, but exterior decks showed lots of wear and tear and clearly were not kept to as high a standard as other lines.

 

 

 

Sing and dance? I was not the one that called a cruise ship a garbage scowl. Been on many 20 year old ships (even other than Carnival and included Royal, Princess, Disney and HAL) and have NEVER seen pristine. Carnival does nothing to push cruisers to the other lines, that reeks of Area 51 and the grassy knoll. Nuff said on this tho, we can move on.

 

 

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