Disappointed with RCL/Allure.

[Hey Tina]

You are playing against the dealer. Someone else at the table who does not play the optimal strategy, is just as likely to hurt you or help you. It's just that you remember the "player" who hits a 14 when the dealer has a 6, pulls a 10 to go over, then the dealer pulls a 4 to his 16. You wouldn't complain if he got a 7, and then the dealer went over.

 

Yeah, I know that you're playing against the dealer in blackjack, and while I might not remember someone playing "wrong" if there's a positive outcome, ultimately I'm happy to have won that hand but I'm not happy they're playing "wrong". I'd rather everyone play consistently "right" because as I said, the odds are better for the players. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometime.

 

Wrong!!! No matter what other's do at the table, they could just as easily cause you to win rather than lose.

 

I'm not wrong, but okay, thanks for chiming in.

[css5]

Yeah, I know that you're playing against the dealer in blackjack, and while I might not remember someone playing "wrong" if there's a positive outcome, ultimately I'm happy to have won that hand but I'm not happy they're playing "wrong". I'd rather everyone play consistently "right" because as I said, the odds are better for the players. Even a blind squirrel can find a nut sometime.

 

 

 

I'm not wrong, but okay, thanks for chiming in.

 

You are wrong, but I can see we won't change your mind - no big deal!

[Hey Tina]

You are wrong, but I can see we won't change your mind - no big deal!

 

I'm glad you jumped in also, what am I wrong about?

[cruisinfanatic]

I'm glad you jumped in also, what am I wrong about?

You are wrong thinking that a person playing next to you incorrectly causes you to lose (or win) more than a person playing correctly.

[css5]

I'm glad you jumped in also, what am I wrong about?

 

Let's assume we are not talking about counting cards here. Each play of a card, whether to a player or a dealer, is random. So there is a 4 out of 13 chance that any card played is a 10. And a one out of 13 chance that it will be an ace, or a five, etc....It is all random, regardless of what any other player does, whether they play correctly, or horribly.

 

But I will agree, it can be frustrating to be at a table with a player who has no clue!

[Hey Tina]

You are wrong thinking that a person playing next to you incorrectly causes you to lose (or win) more than a person playing correctly.

 

Okay but I never said that and I don't think that. I said that a person playing recklessly affects everyone, which it does.

 

Let's assume we are not talking about counting cards here. Each play of a card, whether to a player or a dealer, is random. So there is a 4 out of 13 chance that any card played is a 10. And a one out of 13 chance that it will be an ace, or a five, etc....It is all random, regardless of what any other player does, whether they play correctly, or horribly.

 

But I will agree, it can be frustrating to be at a table with a player who has no clue!

 

Okay....but what did I say that made you chime in that I was wrong. Did I ever say that not accounting for card counting I thought the cards weren't random?

[css5]

Okay but I never said that and I don't think that. I said that a person playing recklessly affects everyone, which it does.

 

 

 

Okay....but what did I say that made you chime in that I was wrong. Did I ever say that not accounting for card counting I thought the cards weren't random?

 

This is what you said that was wrong:

 

If someone is playing their "own hand" in a way that's skewing the odds for everyone at the table I completely understand getting upset. They should play when no one else is at the table if they want to give the casino better odds because sure it's your money and your hand but one person playing recklessly affects everyone.

[Milwaukee Eight]

Okay but I never said that and I don't think that. I said that a person playing recklessly affects everyone, which it does.

 

 

 

Okay....but what did I say that made you chime in that I was wrong. Did I ever say that not accounting for card counting I thought the cards weren't random?

 

Ouch....

[Hey Tina]

This is what you said that was wrong:

 

If someone is playing their "own hand" in a way that's skewing the odds for everyone at the table I completely understand getting upset. They should play when no one else is at the table if they want to give the casino better odds because sure it's your money and your hand but one person playing recklessly affects everyone.

 

So I'm wrong that someone not playing "by the book" would be better to play with just themselves and the dealer? That's an opinion but if you're saying my opinion is wrong then I understand what you took issue with. I don't agree that opinions can be right or wrong, but I do understand.

[Smiley525]

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My parents are Platnium with Mlife-they gamble but only slots and not that high stakes, so you don't have to be rich! They are mailed offers for free cruises all the time-but can you believe they don't like cruises! Crazy, I know-wish the free cruise was transferable!

[Biker19]

 

OP, not to worry, threads going off on tangents are par for the course on CC.

[Hey Tina]

At least now no one is attacking the OP on a personal level and questioning their character and parenting skills.

[css5]

So I'm wrong that someone not playing "by the book" would be better to play with just themselves and the dealer? That's an opinion but if you're saying my opinion is wrong then I understand what you took issue with. I don't agree that opinions can be right or wrong, but I do understand.

 

I agree, opinions are not facts. But you made the following two statements that are incorrect:

 

"If someone is playing their "own hand" in a way that's skewing the odds for everyone at the table"

 

"one person playing recklessly affects everyone."

 

The only person that can affect the odds of success of your hand is you.

 

And thank you for keeping our "off on a tangent" discussion civil!!

[John&LaLa]

I stopped playing too; had enough of hearing other people chime in that I wasn't playing "for them". Funny, didn't notice too many other people playing "for me" but never had anything to say about it. I'm playing against the dealer.

Laura gave up on BJ and moved onto 3 Card. Bigger pots, less drama

 

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[John&LaLa]

At least now no one is attacking the OP on a personal level and questioning their character and parenting skills.

I told you BJ discussion is heated

 

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[Hey Tina]

I agree, opinions are not facts. But you made the following two statements that are incorrect:

 

"If someone is playing their "own hand" in a way that's skewing the odds for everyone at the table"

 

"one person playing recklessly affects everyone."

 

The only person that can affect the odds of success of your hand is you.

 

And thank you for keeping our "off on a tangent" discussion civil!!

 

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Blackjack is a game with a pretty much agreed upon "good strategy" and what one person does affects the entire table. If you play "by the book" you keep the odds in the patrons favor (or at least with the highest odds in the casino among table games) but if you play recklessly you skew the odds in the casinos favor. In my opinion this is a fact because it's widely agreed upon that blackjack is a game where one persons actions affect the entire table, but I understand you don't agree.

[css5]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Blackjack is a game with a pretty much agreed upon "good strategy" and what one person does affects the entire table. If you play "by the book" you keep the odds in the patrons favor (or at least with the highest odds in the casino among table games) but if you play recklessly you skew the odds in the casinos favor. In my opinion this is a fact because it's widely agreed upon that blackjack is a game where one persons actions affect the entire table, but I understand you don't agree.

 

I'll try a different approach. You know that the dealer acts like a robot, his/her actions are governed by the rules of the game, hit on 16, stand on 17 - that's it. The main house advantage comes from you having to play first. If the dealer goes over, but you went over also - you lose, because you went over first. Whether you go over or not is based on your strategy and random cards - whether the dealer goes over or not is based on the rules of the game, and random cards.

 

 

Nothing else matters. Not luck, not your mood, not the tide, not the dealer's personality. . . . and not even the skill level of any other player at the table.

 

A coin flipped ten times in a row heads, still has a 50/50 chance of being tails on the next flip. And regardless of how poorly someone else at the table plays, your chances are only affected by your skill level, and random cards.

[John&LaLa]

Nice explanation

 

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[Hey Tina]

I'll try a different approach. You know that the dealer acts like a robot, his/her actions are governed by the rules of the game, hit on 16, stand on 17 - that's it. The main house advantage comes from you having to play first. If the dealer goes over, but you went over also - you lose, because you went over first. Whether you go over or not is based on your strategy and random cards - whether the dealer goes over or not is based on the rules of the game, and random cards.

 

 

Nothing else matters. Not luck, not your mood, not the tide, not the dealer's personality. . . . and not even the skill level of any other player at the table.

 

A coin flipped ten times in a row heads, still has a 50/50 chance of being tails on the next flip. And regardless of how poorly someone else at the table plays, your chances are only affected by your skill level, and random cards.

 

I proposed we agree to disagree but I guess I'm alone in that.

[NewfieGuy1972]

I'll try a different approach. You know that the dealer acts like a robot, his/her actions are governed by the rules of the game, hit on 16, stand on 17 - that's it. The main house advantage comes from you having to play first. If the dealer goes over, but you went over also - you lose, because you went over first. Whether you go over or not is based on your strategy and random cards - whether the dealer goes over or not is based on the rules of the game, and random cards.

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing else matters. Not luck, not your mood, not the tide, not the dealer's personality. . . . and not even the skill level of any other player at the table.

 

 

 

A coin flipped ten times in a row heads, still has a 50/50 chance of being tails on the next flip. And regardless of how poorly someone else at the table plays, your chances are only affected by your skill level, and random cards.

 

 

 

Quick question.....do you think that if you play perfect basic strategy, 2 hands at a time, that your odds of winning improve?

[cruisinfanatic]

I proposed we agree to disagree but I guess I'm alone in that.

That would be because you don't know the game

[Hey Tina]

That would be because you don't know the game

 

Thanks for your input. I hope after posting that you feel energized and have a great night.

[css5]

Quick question.....do you think that if you play perfect basic strategy, 2 hands at a time, that your odds of winning improve?

 

No, your odds are the same regardless of how many hands you play simultaneously.

[NewfieGuy1972]

No, your odds are the same regardless of how many hands you play simultaneously.

 

 

 

Thanks....what about playing single deck vs a 6-8 shoe dealt game?

[css5]

Thanks....what about playing single deck vs a 6-8 shoe dealt game?

 

Now you are getting into material which is better suited for a different forum, I would guess!:D

 

Short answer, if you can count cards, you can beat the casino in single deck. But casinos are private companies, and if they suspect you are counting cards, they have the right to ban you.