Identification for boarding

[lobster1313]

7 minutes ago, buckeyefrank said:

That is total bull and you know it.  The United State CANNOT refuse entry for a valid US citizen.  It may take longer but that's the breaks.  You don't think there are situations where people have lost their passports / birth certificates / DL while on the cruise.  I'm sure it happens all the time.  In fact, if you show up at a US border with zero information, they are required to work with you to establish you identify and allow you access once your citizenship is established.

The discussion wasn't about denying entry into the US. It was about having to delay the entry to get an emergency passport or not,  because of humanitarian reasons.

[Elaine5715]

6 minutes ago, buckeyefrank said:

That is total bull and you know it.  The United State CANNOT refuse entry for a valid US citizen.  It may take longer but that's the breaks.  You don't think there are situations where people have lost their passports / birth certificates / DL while on the cruise.  I'm sure it happens all the time.  In fact, if you show up at a US border with zero information, they are required to work with you to establish you identify and allow you access once your citizenship is established.

What are you talking about?  The US border doesn't extend into any Caribbean island so how is someone supposed to present themselves?  I was also responding to the poster who insists that airlines IN OTHER COUNTRIES will allow someone WHO NEVER HAD a passport to board a airplane and just present their library card or some nonsense at Immigration.  

[Elaine5715]

14 hours ago, coevan said:

Elaine, you know this is not even close to true, another CC myth

Happens on mine

[Elaine5715]

12 minutes ago, buckeyefrank said:

Let's assume 2 nights in a foreign city, but the emergency passport will likely not cost anything and the airfare will be the same regardless if you have a passport or not.  The only additional cost would likely be the cost of a couple nights hotel, roughly $250 - $500.... still less than the cost of the passports.

[Elaine5715]

20 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

Here's the regulations, since you only choose to believe the horror stories posted on CC and label as a "tall tale" any that don't coincide with your view. (And that waiver could be applied to any traveler, not just cruisers).

(b) A U.S. citizen is not required to bear a valid U.S. passport to enter or depart the United States:

 

(1) When traveling as a member of the Armed Forces of the United States on active duty and when he or she is in the uniform of, or bears documents identifying him or her as a member of, such Armed Forces, when under official orders or permit of such Armed Forces, and when carrying a military identification card; or

(2) When traveling entirely within the Western Hemisphere on a cruise ship, and when the U.S. citizen boards the cruise ship at a port or place within the United States and returns on the return voyage of the same cruise ship to the same United States port or place from where he or she originally departed. That U.S. citizen may present a government-issued photo identification document in combination with either an original or a copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular Report of Birth Abroad issued by the Department, or a Certificate of Naturalization issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services before entering the United States; if the U.S. citizen is under the age of 16, he or she may present either an original or a copy of his or her birth certificate, a Consular Report of Birth Abroad issued by the Department, or a Certificate of Naturalization issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services; or

(3) When traveling as a U.S. citizen seaman, carrying an unexpired Merchant Marine Document (MMD) in conjunction with maritime business. The MMD is not sufficient to establish citizenship for purposes of issuance of a United States passport under part 51 of this chapter; or

(4) Trusted Traveler Programs. (i) NEXUS Program. When traveling as a participant in the NEXUS program, he or she may present a valid NEXUS program card when using a NEXUS Air kiosk or when entering the United States from contiguous territory or adjacent islands at a land or sea port-of-entry. A U.S. citizen who enters the United States by pleasure vessel from Canada under the remote inspection system may also present a NEXUS program card;

(ii) FAST Program. A U.S. citizen who is traveling as a participant in the FAST program may present a valid FAST card when entering the United States from contiguous territory or adjacent islands at a land or sea port-of-entry;

(iii) SENTRI Program. A U.S. citizen who is traveling as a participant in the SENTRI program may present a valid SENTRI card when entering the United States from contiguous territory or adjacent islands at a land or sea port-of-entry; The NEXUS, FAST, and SENTRI cards are not sufficient to establish citizenship for purposes of issuance of a U.S. passport under part 51 of this chapter; or

(5) When arriving at land ports of entry and sea ports of entry from contiguous territory or adjacent islands, Native American holders of American Indian Cards (Form I-872) issued by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) may present those cards; or

(6) When arriving at land or sea ports of entry from contiguous territory or adjacent islands, U.S. citizen holders of a tribal document issued by a United States qualifying tribal entity or group of United States qualifying tribal entities as provided in 8 CFR 235.1(e) may present that document. Tribal documents are not sufficient to establish citizenship for purposes of issuance of a United States passport under part 51 of this chapter; or

(7) When bearing documents or combinations of documents the Secretary of Homeland Security has determined under Section 7209(b) of Public Law 108-458 (8 U.S.C. 1185 note) are sufficient to denote identity and citizenship. Such documents are not sufficient to establish citizenship for purposes of issuance of a U.S. passport under part 51 of this chapter; or

(8) When the U.S. citizen is employed directly or indirectly on the construction, operation, or maintenance of works undertaken in accordance with the treaty concluded on February 3, 1944, between the United States and Mexico regarding the functions of the International Boundary and Water Commission (IBWC), TS 994, 9 Bevans 1166, 59 Stat. 1219, or other related agreements, provided that the U.S. citizen bears an official identification card issued by the IBWC and is traveling in connection with such employment; or Start Printed Page 18420

(9) When the Department of State waives, pursuant to EO 13323 of December 30, 2003, Section 2, the requirement with respect to the U.S. citizen because there is an unforeseen emergency; or

(10) When the Department of State waives, pursuant to EO 13323 of December 30, 2003, Sec 2, the requirement with respect to the U.S. citizen for humanitarian or national interest reasons

WRONG SECTION 

[Elaine5715]

What financial assistance can you expect from the Consulate overseas because you don't have any money or a card?  None... they can even charge you!  Check out the fact your passport will be limited if the Consulate loans you money for a medical emergency.  Far cry from the insistence the government is here to help...

[Elaine5715]

This is what happens if the country you are living in has a true declared crisis and people are being evacuated except you because you let your US passport expire...  seems like this is where that humanitarian  or emergency assistance would happen but no, not so much...    

[sparks1093]

16 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

WRONG SECTION 

And those pages deal with travelers outside of the area covered by the WHTI, which is exactly what the regulations I quoted pertains to.

[sparks1093]

6 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

What financial assistance can you expect from the Consulate overseas because you don't have any money or a card?  None... they can even charge you!  Check out the fact your passport will be limited if the Consulate loans you money for a medical emergency.  Far cry from the insistence the government is here to help...

Again, these pages have nothing to do with cruise travel covered by the WHTI regulations.

[Elaine5715]

Just now, sparks1093 said:

And those pages deal with travelers outside of the area covered by the WHTI, which is exactly what the regulations I quoted pertains to.

The pages I posted deal with every other countries in the world straight from the State Dept .  What you posted is not relevant to being in another country 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/what-state-dept-can-cant-do-crisis.html

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/lost-stolen-passport-abroad.html

[Elaine5715]

2 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

Again, these pages have nothing to do with cruise travel covered by the WHTI regulations.

It has everything to do with being left in another country because you weren't on the ship

[sparks1093]

Just now, Elaine5715 said:

The pages I posted deal with every other countries in the world straight from the State Dept .  What you posted is not relevant to being in another country 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/what-state-dept-can-cant-do-crisis.html

 

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/emergencies/lost-stolen-passport-abroad.html

What I posted is relevant to people who board cruises within the area covered by Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, the one that gives us the ability to use birth certificate and government ID instead of a passport. 

[sparks1093]

1 minute ago, Elaine5715 said:

It has everything to do with being left in another country because you weren't on the ship

And yet we aren't reading a lot of horror stories about people being left behind and not being able to make it home (the horror stories that I've read are about people in a foreign port who need medical services and don't have insurance). 

[buckeyefrank]

8 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

And yet we aren't reading a lot of horror stories about people being left behind and not being able to make it home (the horror stories that I've read are about people in a foreign port who need medical services and don't have insurance). 

Spot on.    In the event that something happens in a foreign country, the impact of not having a passport is an inconvenience.  The major problems come from the medical costs.

Edited October 22, 2019 by buckeyefrank

[lobster1313]

In most circumstances if someone is left behind or has a medical emergency and they don't have a passport they will have to wait to get an emergency passport issued but in certain situations the State Department can make exceptions. Also, the Coast Guard doesn't check for a passport on a cruise ship when they airlift a passenger. 

[elcuchio24]

23 hours ago, coevan said:

It sounds like many people here on CC either only cruise or do not travel internationally. We take at least two land bases vacations to Mexico or the Caribbean a year. We do not have a choice and $15 a year is a bargain

 

Agree. We love to cruise, but we also like to cruise in Europe and take AIs various places.

[coevan]

2 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

Happens on mine

 

 

you are on a roll this morning, people are not left behind on every cruise, it's a rare occasion at best

[Elaine5715]

3 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

And yet we aren't reading a lot of horror stories about people being left behind and not being able to make it home (the horror stories that I've read are about people in a foreign port who need medical services and don't have insurance). 

Why would you be reading stories?  The few people who seek media attention for problems due to their own poor judgement find it unpleasant.  

[Elaine5715]

3 hours ago, regoodwinjr said:

In most circumstances if someone is left behind or has a medical emergency and they don't have a passport they will have to wait to get an emergency passport issued but in certain situations the State Department can make exceptions. Also, the Coast Guard doesn't check for a passport on a cruise ship when they airlift a passenger. 

[Elaine5715]

3 hours ago, regoodwinjr said:

In most circumstances if someone is left behind or has a medical emergency and they don't have a passport they will have to wait to get an emergency passport issued but in certain situations the State Department can make exceptions. Also, the Coast Guard doesn't check for a passport on a cruise ship when they airlift a passenger. 

The Coast Guard that returns a patient to US soil isn't going thru Customs/Immigration.  

[Elaine5715]

2 hours ago, coevan said:

 

 

you are on a roll this morning, people are not left behind on every cruise, it's a rare occasion at best

Not that rare.  We left people in St Thomas and St Maarten last cruise.  St Thomas folks were lucky, St Maarten not so much.

[sparks1093]

14 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

Why would you be reading stories?  The few people who seek media attention for problems due to their own poor judgement find it unpleasant.  

Because they love to blame the other person and the stories would be out there, even if they were only second hand. Instead we see first hand accounts of people who have experienced it. Everyone has the right to make up their own mind about what travel documentation they want to use within the limits of the laws and regulations. That hardly equates to poor judgment. 

[Elaine5715]

4 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

What I posted is relevant to people who board cruises within the area covered by Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative, the one that gives us the ability to use birth certificate and government ID instead of a passport. 

Irrelevant to someone attempting to return to the US who departed without a passport.

[sparks1093]

3 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

The Coast Guard that returns a patient to US soil isn't going thru Customs/Immigration.  

That patient most certainly will go through Customs and Immigration at some point. 

[Elaine5715]

Just now, sparks1093 said:

Because they love to blame the other person and the stories would be out there, even if they were only second hand. Instead we see first hand accounts of people who have experienced it. Everyone has the right to make up their own mind about what travel documentation they want to use within the limits of the laws and regulations. That hardly equates to poor judgment. 

Leaving the US without a passport is poor judgement.