Rare pinotlover Posted January 19, 2022 #1 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) Not a political post. I put no conversation on the speculation of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. I will put odds on whether the U.S., and other western governments , will allow their citizens to visit Russia if they do invade. I put those odds at zero (0) if they do. So how many of you are signed up for St. Petersburg, Marmesk, or Archangel, Black Sea? Getting nervous? I must say I’m amazed at Viking, and other river cruise companies , actively selling cruises through what may be an active war zone! Think coronavirus is an issue? How many years will a Russian invasion shut down many of those ports? No vaccinations for that trick! Edited January 19, 2022 by pinotlover 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CintiPam Posted January 19, 2022 #2 Share Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) Political traveler spouse put Putinland on his personal no-go list about seven years ago, which is why we did our Norwegian exploration in 2016 on Azamara because Oceania’s primarily Norwegian itinerary includes Russian ports after North Cape such as Murmansk. An embargo would not upset me at all. Cuba is no threat but still embargoed! Edited January 19, 2022 by CintiPam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNielsen Posted January 19, 2022 #3 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Cancelled Reykjavik to Paris, in part, due to my concerns of not getting to St. Petersburg. One of our main reasons for booking the cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExArkie Posted January 19, 2022 #4 Share Posted January 19, 2022 11 hours ago, pinotlover said: Not a political post. I put no conversation on the speculation of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. I will put odds on whether the U.S., and other western governments , will allow their citizens to visit Russia if they do invade. I put those odds at zero (0) if they do. So how many of you are signed up for St. Petersburg, Marmesk, or Archangel, Black Sea? Getting nervous?... We are signed up for a Baltic cruise on Marina for this summer. I have some concern regarding potential political issues interfering with our being allowed to visit St. Petersburg. Considering that the overwhelmingly main reason we are doing the cruise is to visit that city, I am concerned. We originally scheduled such a trip (not on Oceania, originally) for 2020, which was rescheduled for 2021, which was cancelled. So, I'd kind of like this one to come off. However, the variety of possible actions by Russia as well as the variety of possible responses from the US covers so much of a range. After the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014, the only travel limitations imposed on US citizens was that we cancelled the Presidential delegation to the Winter Paralympics in Sochi. Our athletes still went and spectators who were US citizens were not prohibited from attending. Granted that an invasion of Ukraine would be more significant that annexing one of its territories, I am taking a "wait and see" attitude for now. We're still a few months from final payment, so we can afford to just observe developments for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtravel Posted January 19, 2022 #5 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Don’t like Russian politics, don’t book any travel there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Noxequifans Posted January 19, 2022 #6 Share Posted January 19, 2022 We do avoid active war zones (or immediately anticipated ones). But don't avoid places on information that may or may not be actually correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiidan Posted January 19, 2022 #7 Share Posted January 19, 2022 15 hours ago, pinotlover said: Not a political post. I put no conversation on the speculation of a Russian invasion of Ukraine. I will put odds on whether the U.S., and other western governments , will allow their citizens to visit Russia if they do invade. I put those odds at zero (0) if they do. So how many of you are signed up for St. Petersburg, Marmesk, or Archangel, Black Sea? Getting nervous? I must say I’m amazed at Viking, and other river cruise companies , actively selling cruises through what may be an active war zone! Think coronavirus is an issue? How many years will a Russian invasion shut down many of those ports? No vaccinations for that trick! Well look at Iran , Venezuela and Cuba.... still shut after years. You have a good point. AND then the elephant in the room.......CHINA with many boycotts/sanctions and unrest over China? How about that China cruise???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawaiidan Posted January 19, 2022 #8 Share Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Redtravel said: Don’t like Russian politics, don’t book any travel there. People vote with dollars today... stronger than ballots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GICNJC Posted January 20, 2022 #9 Share Posted January 20, 2022 11 hours ago, ExArkie said: We are signed up for a Baltic cruise on Marina for this summer. I have some concern regarding potential political issues interfering with our being allowed to visit St. Petersburg. Considering that the overwhelmingly main reason we are doing the cruise is to visit that city, I am concerned. We originally scheduled such a trip (not on Oceania, originally) for 2020, which was rescheduled for 2021, which was cancelled. So, I'd kind of like this one to come off. However, the variety of possible actions by Russia as well as the variety of possible responses from the US covers so much of a range. After the Russian annexation of Crimea in 2014, the only travel limitations imposed on US citizens was that we cancelled the Presidential delegation to the Winter Paralympics in Sochi. Our athletes still went and spectators who were US citizens were not prohibited from attending. Granted that an invasion of Ukraine would be more significant that annexing one of its territories, I am taking a "wait and see" attitude for now. We're still a few months from final payment, so we can afford to just observe developments for now. Well said, We are in the same situation this summer is our third chance of sailing the Baltic. Short of out break war, I believe (barring another COVID variant) the cruise will go ahead. If war does breakout, O will cancel all cruise in the vicinity for safety reasons, or drastically change the ports. We will be on the ship on July 31st unless they cancel. After being stuck at home for two years, we just want to travel the world again. If they do cancel, we will apply the refund towards an Antarctica Cruise that lands allows us to put our feet ashore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranquility Base Posted January 20, 2022 #10 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) If the Copenhagen - Stockholm segment on the revised Insignia ATW itinerary becomes bookable, that has a 3 day stop in St. Petersburg late May. Edited January 20, 2022 by Tranquility Base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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