No masks required for crew

[wineoclock]

I wonder if they have a lot of cases on board but are reluctant to say? 
 

Im so over mask wearing. 

[C4HCG]

23 hours ago, the penguins said:

At 3% they reintroduce mask wearing in some locations so the 2% acts as a reminder. As the number of unvaccinated passengers increases the risk of someone being seriously ill also increases so you can understand the ship being cautious. 

People make a choice knowing the risks. We’ve cruised twice this year on the basis that we are very likely to get covid but not necessarily on the ship but on the plane over, in Orlando, Fort Lauderdale, wherever. Had we had to wear masks on the ship we’d not have bothered.

[gold1953]

8 minutes ago, wineoclock said:

I wonder if they have a lot of cases on board but are reluctant to say? 
 

Im so over mask wearing. 

if they suddenly require masks it means that there are a lot of cases . It will spread through the crew and they will be very short staffed. Then cruisers complain

[C4HCG]

1 minute ago, gold1953 said:

if they suddenly require masks it means that there are a lot of cases . It will spread through the crew and they will be very short staffed. Then cruisers complain

Cruisers complain 🤣🤣🤣. Never

[phoenix_dream]

On 9/30/2022 at 10:48 PM, NMTraveller said:

The crew should be treated like normal human beings and not second class citizens.

 

I am not sure why some prefer to have the crew masked when they are running around without one?  Why the disparity?

 

It is about time that the crew should be able to make their own decisions one way or another.

 

 

I think this is a ridiculous argument.  Requiring them to mask up is a business decision and condition of employment they agreed to when signing their contract. Doctors and nurses are required to wear masks.  Are they second class citizens?  It's a question of what is needed to effectively run the business.  Ships cannot afford a large outbreak onboard among their staff. They're at sea, there are no backups or temporary replacements waiting in the wings. They need to do all they can to protect their staff. And for the record I think the staff are wonderful! I am personally friends with a number of them from cruising a lot over the years. Always big hugs when we meet (pre-covid) and communication on FB. They are in no way second class citizens to me!

[IWillGoAnywhere26]

49 minutes ago, phoenix_dream said:

I think this is a ridiculous argument.  Requiring them to mask up is a business decision and condition of employment they agreed to when signing their contract. Doctors and nurses are required to wear masks.  Are they second class citizens?  It's a question of what is needed to effectively run the business.  Ships cannot afford a large outbreak onboard among their staff. They're at sea, there are no backups or temporary replacements waiting in the wings. They need to do all they can to protect their staff. And for the record I think the staff are wonderful! I am personally friends with a number of them from cruising a lot over the years. Always big hugs when we meet (pre-covid) and communication on FB. They are in no way second class citizens to me!

@phoenix_dream Well said, thank you.

 

[broker1217]

All crew and Pax wearing masks indoors on Eclipse. Currently Omicron variant BA5 is the majority  of current cases and it is highly contagious.

New variant BA 2.75 is emerging and may be the next wave. Current uptick in UK May foreshadow an uptick in US one month later. 

Be aware that mask requirements for crew and passengers could change to be more strict. I would not cruise if I was dead set against wearing a mask as the situation is ever changing.

Watch global trends.

I am glad the crew is wearing masks-it protects them and also protects passengers to a lesser degree. 
Ships are already short staffed-they need to keep crew, who live in much tighter quarters, healthy.

[SusieAV8R]

3 hours ago, Projunior said:

We sailed on the Summit out of St. Martin in July, 2021. The passengers did not have to wear masks and the cruise marked the first time the entire crew was allowed to not wear masks. Everyone, both passengers and crew, were over the moon with delight. 

 

Fast forward to today,  over one year later. I am back on the Summit and not only is the entire crew masked but the captain has told us that the passengers must be masked in all indoor spaces. With the entire ship now masked one can only conclude that Celebrity's position is that the pandemic situation is more unsafe today than it was in the summer of 2021 when the entire Summit went maskless.

 

In the casino we are forced to leave masks in place and must pull them down to sip a drink and then return them to our faces. It's as if we are not on a ship in October 2022 but on an airplane in the darkest depths of 2020 COVID.

 

Way past time for Celebrity to get real about this.

Yes, Celebrity needs to get over the mandatory wearing of masks  There is no absolute safety, either on cruise ships or grocery stores.   AND cloth masks don't stop viruses from entering one's body!

[SusieAV8R]

3 hours ago, Projunior said:

We sailed on the Summit out of St. Martin in July, 2021. The passengers did not have to wear masks and the cruise marked the first time the entire crew was allowed to not wear masks. Everyone, both passengers and crew, were over the moon with delight. 

 

Fast forward to today,  over one year later. I am back on the Summit and not only is the entire crew masked but the captain has told us that the passengers must be masked in all indoor spaces. With the entire ship now masked one can only conclude that Celebrity's position is that the pandemic situation is more unsafe today than it was in the summer of 2021 when the entire Summit went maskless.

 

In the casino we are forced to leave masks in place and must pull them down to sip a drink and then return them to our faces. It's as if we are not on a ship in October 2022 but on an airplane in the darkest depths of 2020 COVID.

 

Way past time for Celebrity to get real about this.

Yes, Celebrity does need to get over this!  There is no absolute safety; not on cruise ships or grocery stores.  AND cloth masks don't stop viruses from entering one's body!

[NMTraveller]

1 hour ago, phoenix_dream said:

I think this is a ridiculous argument.  Requiring them to mask up is a business decision and condition of employment they agreed to when signing their contract. Doctors and nurses are required to wear masks.  Are they second class citizens?  It's a question of what is needed to effectively run the business.  Ships cannot afford a large outbreak onboard among their staff. They're at sea, there are no backups or temporary replacements waiting in the wings. They need to do all they can to protect their staff. And for the record I think the staff are wonderful! I am personally friends with a number of them from cruising a lot over the years. Always big hugs when we meet (pre-covid) and communication on FB. They are in no way second class citizens to me!

The last time I went to the doctors office there were zero mask requirements for staff or for patients.   At least nothing out of the normal. 

 

So not sure why you insist on masking  the cruise staff?  They can and should decide for themselves.  Perhaps this is part of the reason why the cruise lines are having staffing issues.

 

Rules for thee, but not for me.

Edited October 3, 2022 by NMTraveller

[SusieAV8R]

1 minute ago, NMTraveller said:

The last time I went to the doctors office there were zero mask requirements for staff or for patients.   At least nothing out of the normal. 

 

So not sure why you insist on masking  the cruise staff?  They can and should decide for themselves.

The pax should also be able to make that choice.

[SusieAV8R]

3 hours ago, gold1953 said:

if they suddenly require masks it means that there are a lot of cases . It will spread through the crew and they will be very short staffed. Then cruisers complain

I am not so sure that "suddenly requiring masks means there are a lot of cases".  Without concrete data and the Captain stating his reasons for changing the rules of cruising, that assumption can't be made.

[broker1217]

36 minutes ago, SusieAV8R said:

Yes, Celebrity needs to get over the mandatory wearing of masks  There is no absolute safety, either on cruise ships or grocery stores.   AND cloth masks don't stop viruses from entering one's body!

I think everyone knows that cloth masks are ineffective. Crew is wearing well-fitting N95's. Some pax wear N95's and some wear surgical type masks.

Where I live---all medical professionals wear masks and require them during visits.

We have many, many friends who are surgeons, nurses, etc.----none of them would agree that masks are not required in any medical setting. 

 

[canderson]

1 hour ago, broker1217 said:

I think everyone knows that cloth masks are ineffective.

Then why are there so many people still wearing them?  They represent the vast majority of masks I see worn in public.  I think a LOT of folks never got the message.

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2022 by canderson
Typoz

[RichYak]

56 minutes ago, canderson said:

Then why are there so many people still wearing them?  They represent the vast majority of masks I see worn in public.  I think a LOT of folks never got the message.

When I see someone wearing a cloth mask I assume they either have covid or are just virtue signaling. I avoid both those groups of people.

[dlh015]

13 minutes ago, RichYak said:

When I see someone wearing a cloth mask I assume they either have covid or are just virtue signaling. I avoid both those groups of people.

Thanks for giving a name to what I have always thought but couldn't articulate.

 

'Virtue signaling'...I like it!

[NMTraveller]

1 hour ago, canderson said:

Then why are there so many people still wearing them?  They represent the vast majority of masks I see worn in public.  I think a LOT of folks never got the message.

 

 

 

Agreed.  The message was not sent out.

 

If you go into a paint store they sell N95s.  The same for the medical industry.  They are proven.  Surgical masks have gaps.  This is not rocket science. 

 

There is still fear mongering regarding masks and other aspects of Covid.  Fear is a powerful master.

 

If you need one choose the N95.  If you are not wearing N95 why are you wearing one?  I don't understand the person wearing a mask down over the nose either.  Just wearing one to wear one.

 

 

As I said earlier our medical community does not require them (except for the usual).  Why are the cruise workers required?  Don't put arbitray rules on the cruise workers when the medical community does not have these rules.  Don't treat them as second class citizens.

Edited October 3, 2022 by NMTraveller

[broker1217]

Just now, canderson said:

Then why are there so many people still wearing them?  They represent the vast majority of masks I see worn in public.  I think a LOT of folks never got the message.

 

 

 

I have not seen any in Eclipse, and hardly any where I live. I did see a couple in the airport. Almost always elderly ladies.

[Moonarino]

1 hour ago, canderson said:

Then why are there so many people still wearing them?  They represent the vast majority of masks I see worn in public.  I think a LOT of folks never got the message.

 

 

 

Way back in the spring of 2020 I found two conflicting articles on the NIH web regarding cloth masks. That was and is the gist of the problem (for all of us) right there, not to mention even earlier conflicting words.

 

But yes cruise pax make their own choices and at this point it's theirs (and mine) to make.

 

Edit to add, just an FYI, the local VA hospital has never allowed visitors to enter the facility wearing cloth masks. They had (and maybe still have) people at all entrances checking the type of mask one was wearing. They had (and have?) their own approved masks ready to give to anybody wearing the wrong kind.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Moonarino

[Steve H]

Some cloth masks are N95 the one I have is.

[canderson]

1 hour ago, RichYak said:

When I see someone wearing a cloth mask I assume they either have covid or are just virtue signaling. I avoid both those groups of people.

We still have folks wearing cloth masks outdoors, walking their dogs, alone, and while riding bikes on bike paths by themselves.  Neurosis?

 

[NMTraveller]

4 minutes ago, canderson said:

We still have folks wearing cloth masks outdoors, walking their dogs, alone, and while riding bikes on bike paths by themselves.  Neurosis?

 

I believe it came from the news media and their mantra that you were going to die if you did not wear a mask.  Totally inexcusable in my opininion.  Fear mongering.  

Edited October 3, 2022 by NMTraveller

[Moonarino]

3 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

I believe it came from the news media and their mantra that you were going to die if you did not wear a mask.  Totally inexcusable in my opininion.  Fear mongering.  

Not just the news media though.

[gold1953]

7 hours ago, NMTraveller said:

 

 

 

As I said earlier our medical community does not require them (except for the usual).  Why are the cruise workers required?  Don't put arbitray rules on the cruise workers when the medical community does not have these rules.  Don't treat them as second class citizens.

All medical communities in Canada require masks.  

Cruise workers wear them so the covid doesn't spread amoung them. This would cause a serious staff shortage and a lot of complaining guests... sorry no bar tender today. 

 Lots of all ages wear them daily where I live. If they get covid then many are off work for a week without pay and can't pay bills

[lawk]

I continue to wear an N95 mask in public places. I will likely do so when possible on my cruise. It is my personal choice and just as I do not tell others what to do, I hope others are as courteous and do not make negative comments to me.