Does initial price paid influence Moveup results?

[slanik]

We made reservations for the Beyond last year for a very good deal.  I have now submitted two moveup bids.  Does it make any difference that we paid less for our initial rooms?  Do they pick people who have paid more recently when they booked?  Does initial price have anything to do with it?

[canderson]

Probably no impact at all.  X has the money in hand already.  The new objective becomes incremental increase in revenue.  It falls to a) how much you're willing to pay, and b) how 'valuable' your cabin is as a MoveUp destination such that X would then easily use it to garner additional MoveUp bids for yours.

[dunedinmaiden]

They use a third party company for the "Move Up" bidding and never publicize their process.  However, in my personal opinion, I do believe the original paid amount factors into the process.  Their goal is to maximize profits.  Therefore, I believe (just my guess) they add together original amount paid and bid amount to determine the highest profit.

[canderson]

1 minute ago, dunedinmaiden said:

They use a third party company for the "Move Up" bidding and never publicize their process.  However, in my personal opinion, I do believe the original paid amount factors into the process.  Their goal is to maximize profits.  Therefore, I believe (just my guess) they add together original amount paid and bid amount to determine the highest profit.

Think about the math one more time.  Once final is locked in, what was paid in the past becomes moot.  What additional revenue can be gained then becomes the only logical financial objective.

[dunedinmaiden]

2 minutes ago, canderson said:

Think about the math one more time.  Once final is locked in, what was paid in the past becomes moot.  What additional revenue can be gained then becomes the only logical financial objective.

Not really -- if two people bid the same for an upgrade, the one that paid more initially provides the greater overall profit.  No one really knows . . .

[Jim_Iain]

While I don't know how the algorithms work and the backbone is done by an outside company I don't believe they would complicate the equation by considering original purchase price.   The objective is to increase incremental  revenue -   It probably takes into consideration the classification of original cabin type as by upgrading say a RS to a PH could trigger a whole chain of upgrades.   

 

[Jim_Iain]

1 minute ago, dunedinmaiden said:

Not really -- if two people bid the same for an upgrade, the one that paid more initially provides the greater overall profit.  No one really knows . . .

I would have to agree with @canderson logic.     In my simple mine if I paid 1,000 for my room  and you paid $500 for yours.   We both bid $500 .    The increase in revenue to Celebrity is only $500 regardless of which bid they accept. 

[canderson]

11 minutes ago, dunedinmaiden said:

Not really -- if two people bid the same for an upgrade, the one that paid more initially provides the greater overall profit.  No one really knows . . .

How easy it is to move one or the other of the cabins will be an immediate tie breaker, plus the 1~5% bonus for your tier with Celebrity may factor in.

 

What you paid for your cruise doesn't change the equation.  That's in the bank.  Maximizing profit now becomes finding ways to garner additional revenue on top of that.

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[canderson]

9 minutes ago, Jim_Iain said:

... upgrading say a RS to a PH could trigger a whole chain of upgrades.   

 

Perfect example, Jim.  And this not only starts a large chain of potential MoveUps, the MoveUp minimums for a RS make it a valuable property for the 'trade'!

 

 

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[*Fudge*]

Excuse me butting in but I read that if you bid on a move up and are accepted, you don’t get the perks with the higher grade cabin?  Is this true because if you only get a larger cabin and no perks is it worth the extra money? 🤔 

[canderson]

9 minutes ago, *Fudge* said:

Excuse me butting in but I read that if you bid on a move up and are accepted, you don’t get the perks with the higher grade cabin?  Is this true because if you only get a larger cabin and no perks is it worth the extra money? 🤔 

The 'perks' question often confuses 'perks' with 'amenities'.  If doing a suite MoveUp, you'll find that whatever drink/WiFi/tips package, if any, you had in your previous cabin follow you.  But let's say you move to a RS.  Free laundry, dining in specialty restaurants, Luminae and Michael's/Retreat Lounge are now available to you.

 

Moving to an Aqua would give you P.G. and Blu access.

 

Etc.

 

So it's not just space unless moving up to a veranda or ocean view.

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[canderson]

2 minutes ago, canderson said:

 

Editor issues...

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[Jim_Iain]

8 minutes ago, *Fudge* said:

Excuse me butting in but I read that if you bid on a move up and are accepted, you don’t get the perks with the higher grade cabin?  Is this true because if you only get a larger cabin and no perks is it worth the extra money? 🤔 

That is true.   If you upgrade to Aqua or Retreat class you get the corresponding dining rooms but not the perks unless they come with the room like a RS - Free Specialty, Laundry and Bar Setup but you don't the the Drink Package, Tips and Internet

[*Fudge*]

Thank you both. We are in Aqua class that comes with All Included but have upgraded one person’s Wi-Fi to Premium already.  
 

So, if we do move up we would take our All Included with us but that wouldn’t be upgraded to premium Wi-Fi and drinks package automatically. We would get the other benefits that are included with a RS?  Have I understood correctly?  
 

P.S. New to Celebrity, hence all the questions. 

[canderson]

Yes, your existing drink/WiFi packages follow you.

[spiritkat090909]

Here's my experience...  DH & I had 2 dif cabins with different starting prices due to casino discounts, sailing with sis/BIL. For Sky suites on Edge, if that makes a dif.  His minimum bids were different than mine were. So, yes...the amount paid made a difference in what we were offered as a minimum bid on move up. We did not bid that time.

[canderson]

3 minutes ago, spiritkat090909 said:

Here's my experience...  DH & I had 2 dif cabins with different starting prices due to casino discounts, sailing with sis/BIL. For Sky suites on Edge, if that makes a dif.  His minimum bids were different than mine were. So, yes...the amount paid made a difference in what we were offered as a minimum bid on move up. We did not bid that time.

What were the two original cabins?

[Jeremiah1212]

Different categories most definitely have different minimum bids for upgrades. 

[mailmama]

7 minutes ago, spiritkat090909 said:

Here's my experience...  DH & I had 2 dif cabins with different starting prices due to casino discounts, sailing with sis/BIL. For Sky suites on Edge, if that makes a dif.  His minimum bids were different than mine were. So, yes...the amount paid made a difference in what we were offered as a minimum bid on move up. We did not bid that time.

our experience too! They must have a set price they are looking to garner for a move up total. The more you paid for your original cabin, the lower the move up offer for cabins are.

[Jim_Iain]

15 hours ago, *Fudge* said:

Thank you both. We are in Aqua class that comes with All Included but have upgraded one person’s Wi-Fi to Premium already.  
 

So, if we do move up we would take our All Included with us but that wouldn’t be upgraded to premium Wi-Fi and drinks package automatically. We would get the other benefits that are included with a RS?  Have I understood correctly?  
 

P.S. New to Celebrity, hence all the questions. 

Yes that is correct you will still have Basic Wife and if you upgraded one to Premium you will still have that upgrade.     You will get the Room Perks.

[Jim_Iain]

On Min and Max bids you are correct there is a different Min and Max amount dependent on the class of original booking.    I've also noticed that the min and max may also be adjusted when they have lots of cabins in a class that they are trying to get filled from lower classed cabin. 

 

When post pandemic cruises first began they were trying to get everyone in OV and above and were offering very inexpensive minimums.    They were also giving away many many gratis upgrades.

 

On the smart side I think they were also offering some pretty good deals for AQ an Suite Class.    I think you will often read from first time Retreat Guests that it is hard to go back to a regular cabin after experiencing Retreat Class.

 

A really good place to get a feel to the min and max is to take a read of the sticky.  

[NutsAboutGolf]

36 minutes ago, canderson said:

What were the two original cabins?

This is what I was going to ask; my gut tells me one had a reg balcony and one had sunset/AQ balcony and both were bidding for a sky suite