terrierjohn Posted September 28 #701 Share Posted September 28 10 hours ago, Ardennais said: Just two observations. One - it’s perfectly possible to take pride in one’s appearance without dressing up. Indeed, on cruises I’ve seen many elderly gentlemen wearing formal dress that has definitely seen better days and where the fit is very suspect. Not much pride involved, or just oblivious to their overall appearance. Doesn’t bother me at all. Other people’s dress doesn’t impact my cruise experience one bit. Two - following from the above, ‘making an effort’ doesn’t just equate to formal wear. I always make an effort, and believe me, as I get older it takes more of an effort to look good! However, I prefer to ‘dodge’ formal evenings on P&O and enjoy myself just as much as any other night. I still look better than many folk in formal wear. So P&O does give us what we want, and we do follow the dress code and therefore only visit some venues on formal night. Why that should spoil things for others is beyond me. You rather mIss the point @Ardennais, it is the people who try to use the formal venues whilst not observing the dress code who spoil things. Those like you who prefer not to dress formally and avoid venues that require formal dress, are following the rules. I am quite happy to do either, but if I want to use the MDR or the formal bars, then I dress accordingly. If and when P&O change the dress code rules to allow smart casual in all venues, only then would I happily wear either. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted September 28 #702 Share Posted September 28 13 hours ago, terrierjohn said: You rather mIss the point @Ardennais, it is the people who try to use the formal venues whilst not observing the dress code who spoil things. Those like you who prefer not to dress formally and avoid venues that require formal dress, are following the rules. I am quite happy to do either, but if I want to use the MDR or the formal bars, then I dress accordingly. If and when P&O change the dress code rules to allow smart casual in all venues, only then would I happily wear either. Not really. I just hate this idea that formal = smart or that formal = making an effort/taking pride in one’s appearance. There’s no effort involved in packing an old crusty DJ which has seen better days or squeezing into a so-called smart dress bought for a wedding a few years ago and which is now obviously too small! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davecttr Posted Sunday at 06:58 AM #703 Share Posted Sunday at 06:58 AM 8 hours ago, Ardennais said: Not really. I just hate this idea that formal = smart or that formal = making an effort/taking pride in one’s appearance. There’s no effort involved in packing an old crusty DJ which has seen better days or squeezing into a so-called smart dress bought for a wedding a few years ago and which is now obviously too small! Don't forget the gravy stains! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrierjohn Posted Sunday at 08:32 AM #704 Share Posted Sunday at 08:32 AM 9 hours ago, Ardennais said: Not really. I just hate this idea that formal = smart or that formal = making an effort/taking pride in one’s appearance. There’s no effort involved in packing an old crusty DJ which has seen better days or squeezing into a so-called smart dress bought for a wedding a few years ago and which is now obviously too small! You do seem to look for the worst in your fellow passengers, if you only notice too tight dresses and stained tuxedos. I like to see the families with young children who are looking smart in what used to be called Sunday Best, all enjoying a special occasion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalos Posted Sunday at 09:41 AM #705 Share Posted Sunday at 09:41 AM 55 minutes ago, terrierjohn said: You do seem to look for the worst in your fellow passengers, if you only notice too tight dresses and stained tuxedos. I like to see the families with young children who are looking smart in what used to be called Sunday Best, all enjoying a special occasion. I love to see the families with young kids all togged up in their finery ,which I'm sure is not some leftovers from auntie Deb's wedding . If a certain venue requires me to dress up then I do so,if not it's put my smart evening wear on and go elsewhere .No hardship either way. What is my gripe regardless of dress ,thankfully far and few between is the folks who smell like an old racoon as the decide to dress up but not bother having a shower, just chuck glad rags on whilst smelling of stale sweat and sun cream. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted Sunday at 12:42 PM #706 Share Posted Sunday at 12:42 PM 4 hours ago, terrierjohn said: You do seem to look for the worst in your fellow passengers, if you only notice too tight dresses and stained tuxedos. I like to see the families with young children who are looking smart in what used to be called Sunday Best, all enjoying a special occasion. To be honest, other people’s choice of clothing doesn’t affect my enjoyment one way or another. I love seeing families with young children, no matter what they’re wearing. I’m one of the greatest advocates for family friendly cruising here. On the whole, younger men have cleaner, better fitting suits! I really don’t look for the worst in my fellow passengers. Have I ever complained about falling standards of dress? Or moaned that people don’t make an effort? It really doesn’t bother even if it were true. Live and let live. If folk think that they’re smart in their formal wear, so be it, but they shouldn’t accuse others of not making an effort just because they don’t fit with their idea of formal wear. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardennais Posted Sunday at 12:45 PM #707 Share Posted Sunday at 12:45 PM 3 hours ago, kalos said: I love to see the families with young kids all togged up in their finery ,which I'm sure is not some leftovers from auntie Deb's wedding . If a certain venue requires me to dress up then I do so,if not it's put my smart evening wear on and go elsewhere .No hardship either way. What is my gripe regardless of dress ,thankfully far and few between is the folks who smell like an old racoon as the decide to dress up but not bother having a shower, just chuck glad rags on whilst smelling of stale sweat and sun cream. Me too. And it’s not families with young kids who tend to get old stuff out of the wardrobe is it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Hill Posted Sunday at 01:51 PM #708 Share Posted Sunday at 01:51 PM 4 hours ago, kalos said: I love to see the families with young kids all togged up in their finery ,which I'm sure is not some leftovers from auntie Deb's wedding . If a certain venue requires me to dress up then I do so,if not it's put my smart evening wear on and go elsewhere .No hardship either way. What is my gripe regardless of dress ,thankfully far and few between is the folks who smell like an old racoon as the decide to dress up but not bother having a shower, just chuck glad rags on whilst smelling of stale sweat and sun cream. On one of our early cruises my OH whispered to me that the man sitting next to her smelt of mothballs, most likely is ancient looking Dinner Suit and wasn’t using Eau de Mothballs after shave. 😬 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted Sunday at 04:25 PM #709 Share Posted Sunday at 04:25 PM 16 hours ago, Ardennais said: Not really. I just hate this idea that formal = smart or that formal = making an effort/taking pride in one’s appearance. There’s no effort involved in packing an old crusty DJ which has seen better days or squeezing into a so-called smart dress bought for a wedding a few years ago and which is now obviously too small! Once this subject rears it's head ...again, I am reminded of Sir Leslie Patterson..🤣....I do hope Harry is OK. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zap99 Posted Sunday at 04:33 PM #710 Share Posted Sunday at 04:33 PM 5 hours ago, kalos said: I love to see the families with young kids all togged up in their finery ,which I'm sure is not some leftovers from auntie Deb's wedding . If a certain venue requires me to dress up then I do so,if not it's put my smart evening wear on and go elsewhere .No hardship either way. What is my gripe regardless of dress ,thankfully far and few between is the folks who smell like an old racoon as the decide to dress up but not bother having a shower, just chuck glad rags on whilst smelling of stale sweat and sun cream. We ate in the MDR on Anthem last night. A very smart and sophisticated 5 year old in her party dress was given a proper menu by the waiter. She moved her cutlery and studied the menu intently, tongue sticking out of the side of her mouth. She waved her hand across the page......Mummy, what does all this say...bless. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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