CJANDH Posted July 8, 2023 #1 Share Posted July 8, 2023 See this article. https://www.businessinsider.com/cruise-liner-launch-msc-explora-delayed-faulty-fire-panels-report-2023-7 It reports that Explora I has been delayed because of faulty fire panels installed on the ship. However, it also reports that 45 other ships may be sailing with the faulty panel installed by several of the world's largest ship builders. If there is a recall on all those ships, could we see another disruption to cruising? Hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare spinnaker2 Posted July 8, 2023 #2 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Egads. How do we learn which ships are impacted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted July 8, 2023 #3 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) Yikes. This puts anything built recently by Fincantieri on the suspect list. That includes all of the Muse class, but no other RCG ships. Edited July 8, 2023 by canderson typoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TLCOhio Posted July 8, 2023 #4 Share Posted July 8, 2023 42 minutes ago, canderson said: Yikes. This puts anything built recently by Fincantieri on the suspect list. That includes all of the Muse class, but no other RCG ships. YES!! Agree with Spins and the above comment for raising important questions, including as to which Silversea ships might be affected. Inquiring minds want to know more!! THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankhi Posted July 8, 2023 #5 Share Posted July 8, 2023 I wonder if Nova is affected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A Tucson Guy Posted July 8, 2023 #6 Share Posted July 8, 2023 Different shipyard so hopefully, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankhi Posted July 9, 2023 #7 Share Posted July 9, 2023 It doesn't seem the problem was with the shipyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host Jazzbeau Posted July 9, 2023 #8 Share Posted July 9, 2023 There was at least one other shipyard also using these panels, and apparently it affects 45 cruise ships (out of <300) according to the article. If all must be retrofitted, it will affect many cruise lines and disrupt much of the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare CruiserFromMaine Posted July 9, 2023 #9 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) So, I just did some more digging. I don’t know how accurate this source is but it provides some more information. https://www.cruisehive.com/faulty-safety-materials-may-put-dozens-of-cruise-ships-at-risk/105929 This guy blames cruise lines for everything but here is his take. https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2023/07/articles/fires/the-launch-of-mscs-newest-cruise-ship-explora-i-delayed-due-to-faulty-fire-resistant-panels/ And one more article. https://www.ft.com/content/8cfa4fdf-6d8d-486f-8be9-e14cafb36a43 The manufacturer lost its certification which should’ve been good till 2025. It’s unclear why. All the ships passed certification when launched, obviously, but I don’t really know what that means. If it means reviewing the certification of providers, then maybe no more testing was conducted. It appears that ships with panels used before 2020 are ok. This will be a busy weekend for many cruise line execs I imagine. The lawyers will have to clean up this mess too. Edited July 9, 2023 by CruiserFromMaine Added more information and links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaquay Posted July 9, 2023 #10 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Appears both Fincantieri and Meyers Werft have used the faulty panels. Let’s hope we get clarity on ships affected and the impact on cruises on these from the shipping lines promptly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted July 9, 2023 #11 Share Posted July 9, 2023 13 hours ago, Host Jazzbeau said: There was at least one other shipyard also using these panels, and apparently it affects 45 cruise ships (out of <300) according to the article. If all must be retrofitted, it will affect many cruise lines and disrupt much of the industry. The article only directly identified Fincantieri as one example but if, as suggested above, Meyer Werft was also using these panels, that opens up a HUGE potential list, including Silver Nova for Silversea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJANDH Posted July 9, 2023 Author #12 Share Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, canderson said: The article only directly identified Fincantieri as one example but if, as suggested above, Meyer Werft was also using these panels, that opens up a HUGE potential list, including Silver Nova for Silversea. Would Silver Dawn be among the ships in question? I am due to board her on Wednesday!!! 😏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted July 9, 2023 #13 Share Posted July 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, CJANDH said: Would Silver Dawn be among the ships in question? I am due to board her on Wednesday!!! 😏 It is certainly possible. The Muse class ships are each fairly recent builds from Fincantieri. What isn't clear is how ships already in service with these panels are going to be handled. It was a new build that was apparently put on hold until the problem could be rectified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Dolcevita Diva Posted July 9, 2023 #14 Share Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, canderson said: The article only directly identified Fincantieri as one example but if, as suggested above, Meyer Werft was also using these panels, that opens up a HUGE potential list, including Silver Nova for Silversea. According to this article (also linked above by CruiserfromMain), Meyer Werft does contract with Paroc, the company that manufactures these panels for fire insulation materials. Faulty Safety Materials May Put Dozens of Cruise Ships at Risk (cruisehive.com) While the various cruise line executives work on their contingency and retrofit plans, the booking websites may provide some early indications if upcoming voyages for certain ships are suddenly all showing as waitlisted. Edited July 9, 2023 by Dolcevita Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A Tucson Guy Posted July 9, 2023 #15 Share Posted July 9, 2023 I just saw a facebook post from Barbara Muckerman stating that they used a different supplier for the Nova. I think I am still good to go 8-21-23 out of Venice on the Nova!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted July 9, 2023 #16 Share Posted July 9, 2023 Where's Terry? Should we be taking short positions on Paroc??? 😏 Just kidding. It's huge, but it's privately held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host Jazzbeau Posted July 10, 2023 #17 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 hours ago, canderson said: Where's Terry? Should we be taking short positions on Paroc??? 😏 Just kidding. It's huge, but it's privately held. I read that it was owned by Owens-Corning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted July 10, 2023 #18 Share Posted July 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Host Jazzbeau said: I read that it was owned by Owens-Corning. Interesting. Looks like they got gobbled up a couple of years ago by OC as you say, now operating as a subsidiary. Well, then! Terry .. do we short OC? 🤔 Nah, too small a piece of the whole. I just hope all of this can be resolved both safely and expeditiously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Host Jazzbeau Posted July 10, 2023 #19 Share Posted July 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, canderson said: I just hope all of this can be resolved both safely and expeditiously. I was thinking maybe the crew could just wrap each panel in Duct Tape, or whatever one uses to 'encapsulate' asbestos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted July 10, 2023 #20 Share Posted July 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Host Jazzbeau said: I was thinking maybe the crew could just wrap each panel in Duct Tape, or whatever one uses to 'encapsulate' asbestos. 😏 Their product is made from "rock wool". Think of fiberglass made from minerals other than silica. It's a superior product in several respects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
labrasett Posted July 10, 2023 #21 Share Posted July 10, 2023 21 hours ago, canderson said: The article only directly identified Fincantieri as one example but if, as suggested above, Meyer Werft was also using these panels, that opens up a HUGE potential list, including Silver Nova for Silversea. Barbara Muckerman has advised elsewhere that the Nova fire resistant panels were sourced elsewhere and are therefore fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canderson Posted July 10, 2023 #22 Share Posted July 10, 2023 1 hour ago, labrasett said: Barbara Muckerman has advised elsewhere that the Nova fire resistant panels were sourced elsewhere and are therefore fine. Yes, saw above from @A Tucson Guy that there was a Facebook comment from her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahogany Posted July 10, 2023 #23 Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 hours ago, labrasett said: Barbara Muckerman has advised elsewhere that the Nova fire resistant panels were sourced elsewhere and are therefore fine. But nothing about Muse, Moon and Dawn? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare spinnaker2 Posted July 10, 2023 #24 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 16 hours ago, Host Jazzbeau said: I was thinking maybe the crew could just wrap each panel in Duct Tape, or whatever one uses to 'encapsulate' asbestos. Wish duct tape was here. She would have some good advice and the inside scoop. Edited July 10, 2023 by spinnaker2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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