welldone60 Posted November 6, 2023 #1 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Just heard Panorama has issues and has cancelled P.V and Mazatlán. Will do short stop in Cabo and return to Long Beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB Chicago Posted November 6, 2023 #2 Share Posted November 6, 2023 We just got off the ship on Saturday and everything was perfect. I’m so sorry for the folks on board. If it helps at all the crew is amazing as is the ship so try and just enjoy what you can and have a great cruise! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaiderFaninNM Posted November 6, 2023 #3 Share Posted November 6, 2023 If they can't move why even leave the LB port... Something is up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mz-s Posted November 6, 2023 #4 Share Posted November 6, 2023 This class of ship is just cursed. Every one of them have had issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseygirlinAZ Posted November 6, 2023 #5 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Hope they get it figured out soon. We cruise on December 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasvegascruising Posted November 6, 2023 #6 Share Posted November 6, 2023 YIKES, I cruise December 7. I sure hope there is plenty of time to figure out the situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lasvegascruising Posted November 6, 2023 #7 Share Posted November 6, 2023 OOPS, I mean December 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pistnbroke Posted November 6, 2023 #8 Share Posted November 6, 2023 We cruise this Saturday ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisingFromLA Posted November 6, 2023 #9 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I can't believe all 3 Vista Class ships have had the same issue multiple times. They had years and have not found a permanent fix to this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaJ Posted November 6, 2023 #10 Share Posted November 6, 2023 2 hours ago, lasvegascruising said: OOPS, I mean December 2. Me too! Hope they get this fixed! 🙏 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clairebearinaus Posted November 6, 2023 #11 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I'm also on the December 2 cruise and we're flying halfway around the world to see Mexico for the first time, so it will be incredibly disappointing if the issue isn't fixed by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berserk_Viking2009 Posted November 6, 2023 #12 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I'm supposed to get on this Saturday the 11th. really hoping my cruise isn't cancelled too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinaInTexas Posted November 6, 2023 #13 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Heard from someone also onboard, said they were getting $400 OBC per cabin. Not what a lot of people want but it's a decent gesture🤷 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted November 6, 2023 #14 Share Posted November 6, 2023 She is headed southbound at reduced speed. It looks like they took her well off the coastline for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LaRue1975 Posted November 6, 2023 #15 Share Posted November 6, 2023 On the Miracle now just pulling into Ensenada. We passed the Panorama heading North on Friday and again yesterday heading South about midway between Cabo and Long Beach. It is sad to hear it’s happening again, we’re on the NYE cruise with 4 other couples to celebrate hubby’s 70th birthday. We should be ok but hopefully they get it fixed quickly and don’t have to cancel any cruises. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiestaKeyCruiser Posted November 6, 2023 #16 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvCruiSun Posted November 6, 2023 #17 Share Posted November 6, 2023 They will arrive in Cabo Wednesday and stay 6:30-4:00 then head back to Long Beach. Each cabin will receive $400 OBC. I’m on the November 18th sailing which is the 8 day itinerary. While I wouldn’t be happy with 1 port, I would still have a good time. Hopefully they will be able to fix it soon! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted November 6, 2023 #18 Share Posted November 6, 2023 3 hours ago, LatinaInTexas said: Heard from someone also onboard, said they were getting $400 OBC per cabin. Not what a lot of people want but it's a decent gesture🤷 Personally, I find that completely inadequate. I view mechanical failure in an entirely different light than weather related issues. Personally, I thought Greenland was close to fair. This, not so much. Again, personal opinion only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProgRockCruiser Posted November 6, 2023 #19 Share Posted November 6, 2023 11 hours ago, CruisingFromLA said: I can't believe all 3 Vista Class ships have had the same issue multiple times. They had years and have not found a permanent fix to this problem. Unfortunately, when you have a common design, then common design flaws affect all instances. From what I gather, one of the issues is that there is a lot of power applied to those azipods, more than the previous versions on the Dream class for example, because the Vista class is just that bit bigger, and it is simply over-stressing certain components. Seals fail, etc. The "best" solution would be to redesign the azipods to be beefier etc, but there may be physical constraints limiting that (only so much room below decks, etc) and it may be prohibitively costly. We're sailing on the Vista "soon", and I am a little concerned we won't make all the ports we have planned if she suffers a similar issue (again). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john91498 Posted November 6, 2023 #20 Share Posted November 6, 2023 Wow, I've been on that ship at least 4 or 5 times and there were never any problems with the propulsion systems. Just got lucky I guess... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted November 6, 2023 #21 Share Posted November 6, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, john91498 said: Wow, I've been on that ship at least 4 or 5 times and there were never any problems with the propulsion systems. Just got lucky I guess... @ProgRockCruiseris correct that the Vista class seems to have pushed the design envelop just a bit too far. All 3 have had problems, some more significant than others. I suppose the good news is that Carnival has lots of 'fixin' experience. Edited November 6, 2023 by jsglow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaJ Posted November 6, 2023 #22 Share Posted November 6, 2023 10 hours ago, clairebearinaus said: I'm also on the December 2 cruise and we're flying halfway around the world to see Mexico for the first time, so it will be incredibly disappointing if the issue isn't fixed by then. I sure hope that this is fixed and we make all of our ports! That sure is a long way for you to travel for a cruise. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatinaInTexas Posted November 6, 2023 #23 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, jsglow said: Personally, I find that completely inadequate. I view mechanical failure in an entirely different light than weather related issues. Personally, I thought Greenland was close to fair. This, not so much. Again, personal opinion only. I guess it's better than the usual $50pp per missed port I see offered but yeah I wouldn't be happy. I cruise for ports, exploring and doing new things, don't care for sea days so I would be upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsglow Posted November 6, 2023 #24 Share Posted November 6, 2023 1 hour ago, ProgRockCruiser said: Unfortunately, when you have a common design, then common design flaws affect all instances. The "best" solution would be to redesign the azipods to be beefier etc, but there may be physical constraints limiting that (only so much room below decks, etc) and it may be prohibitively costly. Have there been any Vista 'new builds' since Panorama for any line? I may have to research that a little bit. No doubt re-engineering existing is problematic but you always try to incorporate your best knowledge into current projects. As you've said and I think we all agree, this has become a design flaw in retrospect obviously. Kinda like the transmission on a Ford Explorer from the 2000s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruzDayz Posted November 6, 2023 #25 Share Posted November 6, 2023 I was on the sailing that got back on Nov 4th. After we left Cabo we were doing 21.5 knots ave until we got to Huntington Beach, then we slowed to 10 knots ave. I thought it was just because we were so close to home. We also hit a lot of fog coming into Long Beach, which is pretty normal. It was a very smooth ride both ways, and was a great cruise. I hope they fix it fast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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