Piracy and Other Threat Protection

[chengkp75]

And the standard for convoys during that war was for merchant ships to never stop to seek out survivors from sunk ships, leaving that to escorts.  It's called triage, never an easy thing, but something first responders and medical professionals are trained in.  Or, as Spock would say, "the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few".

[NE John]

2 hours ago, Solent Richard said:

 

These Guys?.....

 

 

They were pretty tooled up .

The ones on the bridge had helmets, bulletproof vests, and carrying automatic long rifles. I, of course, didn’t ask for a selfie with them…I don’t think there were selfies back then anyway. 

[ace2542]

35 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Which just goes to show how uninformed about maritime issues you are.  Naval vessels today do not have armor plated hulls.  They are mild steel hulls, just like cruise ships and other merchant ships.

 

Oh, you mean the boat that looks damaged or sinking that can suddenly accelerate to 60 miles per hour and strike the ship?  How do you disguise a cigarette racing boat as a sinking wreck?  Do you know how bow thrusters work?  They push enough water away from the ship to move the thousands of tons of ship away from a dock.  If directed at a small boat, it typically will swamp or sink that boat.  And, besides, just exploding something alongside a ship does not guarantee that you would seriously damage the ship, let alone blow a hole in her.  That requires either a vast amount of explosive, or a shaped charge pressed against the hull, or some form of damping to direct the explosive force towards the ship, and not in all directions.

 

And, even if the ship is stopped, the Captain will have the ability to steer and use thrusters, to keep the damaged boat away from his ship.  Or do you think the Captain is so incompetent or uncaring that he would just let the boat drift closer and closer, without taking the basic precautions that sent the rescue boat out to the refugees in the first place?

 

Always amusing, and always uninformed, as usual, ace.

I never said 60 mph. Just hit from however many yards  away. How much explosive 500 pounds in weight? So not very big? Or is that big? Such an impact against the QM2 detonated 3 ft away from the side of the ship that has the chart room and golden lion would breach both venues kill people and flood the ship on both decks? Won't sink the QM2 but the point is made. And besides the QM2 or ay cruise ship could not react to a ship that suddenly came it from 300 yards away could it?

 

I know enough to say any cruise ship could probably outrun nearly any ship they could get their hands on so the only chance of success would be from stationary position.

[exlondoner]

19 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

And the standard for convoys during that war was for merchant ships to never stop to seek out survivors from sunk ships, leaving that to escorts.  It's called triage, never an easy thing, but something first responders and medical professionals are trained in.  Or, as Spock would say, "the needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few".

Or as Jeremy Bentham would say, utilitarianism. 😀

[chengkp75]

27 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

Such an impact against the QM2 detonated 3 ft away from the side of the ship that has the chart room and golden lion would breach both venues kill people and flood the ship on both decks?

Correct me if I'm wrong, ace, but do you see underwater when you look out the windows in the Golden Lion?  No?  Then how does an area about 15-20 feet above the ship flood?  

 

27 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

And besides the QM2 or ay cruise ship could not react to a ship that suddenly came it from 300 yards away could it?

Sure it can.  Just because it is stopped, doesn't mean the Captain has turned off the ignition switch.  The azipods are on line, the thrusters will be on line, and the azipods can create even more wake to propel a boat away than the thrusters.  As soon as the boat starts to move, keep the ship dancing away.  But, again, 500 lbs of "explosives" depends a whole lot on what type of explosive it is, and how it is packaged, and how it is presented to the target.

 

27 minutes ago, ace2542 said:

I know enough to say any cruise ship could probably outrun nearly any ship they could get their hands on so the only chance of success would be from stationary position.

And, you would be wrong here again.  A lot of "pirate" or "terrorist" boats around the world are capable of doing 25 knots or better.  Sure, attacking a moving ship is harder, but it has been done, and can be done.

 

And, the use of an LRAD at 20 meters can drop a person to their knees, vomiting and incoherent.

Edited March 19 by chengkp75

[ace2542]

31 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, ace, but do you see underwater when you look out the windows in the Golden Lion?  No?  Then how does an area about 15-20 feet above the ship flood?  

Chart room would flood probably. And captain has 10 seconds to react?. How far away would the ship be is the big question.

 

Lets just pray it never happens. Of course you could really avoid it by simply sailing on by as you say they can.

Edited March 19 by ace2542

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, ace2542 said:

Of course you could really avoid it by simply sailing on by as you say they can.

While the Captain has the "overriding authority" to make these decisions at the time, if it is found that they disregarded an imminent danger to people who turn out not to be terrorists, he and the cruise line could be sued under the "Death on High Seas Act", among other maritime laws.

[NE John]

32 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

While the Captain has the "overriding authority" to make these decisions at the time, if it is found that they disregarded an imminent danger to people who turn out not to be terrorists, he and the cruise line could be sued under the "Death on High Seas Act", among other maritime laws.

With all this said and seen, it seems that the master/captain of a cruise ship doesn’t get paid enough for the tremendous responsibility he/she has to take on. Many different intangibles affecting their day-to-day decisions. 

[exlondoner]

12 minutes ago, NE John said:

With all this said and seen, it seems that the master/captain of a cruise ship doesn’t get paid enough for the tremendous responsibility he/she has to take on. Many different intangibles affecting their day-to-day decisions. 

And they have to spend some of their day schmoozing the passengers, most of whom are probably charming, but some very annoying.

[ace2542]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

While the Captain has the "overriding authority" to make these decisions at the time, if it is found that they disregarded an imminent danger to people who turn out not to be terrorists, he and the cruise line could be sued under the "Death on High Seas Act", among other maritime laws.

If it was a terrorist strike would massive law suits from the passengers not be forthcoming?

Edited March 19 by ace2542

[NE John]

23 minutes ago, exlondoner said:

And they have to spend some of their day schmoozing the passengers, most of whom are probably charming, but some very annoying.

After a WC reception, a lady (who had no clue it was the captain) came up to him and matter of factly asked him to direct her to the ladies room. He took her by the arm and escorted her there. She thought this guy was just part of the help. Again, the captain is not paid enough…I must enjoy noticing these odd occurrences on ships!

[exlondoner]

9 minutes ago, NE John said:

After a WC reception, a lady (who had no clue it was the captain) came up to him and matter of factly asked him to direct her to the ladies room. He took her by the arm and escorted her there. She thought this guy was just part of the help. Again, the captain is not paid enough…I must enjoy noticing these odd occurrences on ships!

All credit to him for knowing.

[roscoe39]

goodness! that was quite a read! and here I was thinking that no one was reading my blog this year....

 

the defence measures were lifted when we left Manilla, and I suppose may come back around the Indian Ocean. Ask the moment the most danger we are at seems to be the excess of souffles and scones with clotted cream.

 

I really need to go on a diet.