Jones Act - Celebrity Edge B2Bs

[BaumD]

16 hours ago, justcrusn said:

I think it also matters that they are b2b cruises, not one cruise, each stands alone.

WRONG!

[Guppy99]

12 hours ago, Alakegirl said:

Getting on and off the ship on the turnaround days is not sufficient for adhering to PVSA.

 

 

You don't understand. Disembarking after a cruise segment and then having ti recheck in, getting a new sea pass card, and re-embarking does resolver any issues. Weather what the OP describes aa being relevant to the Jines Act is a different issue. re

[cruisestitch]

12 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

You don't understand. Disembarking after a cruise segment and then having ti recheck in, getting a new sea pass card, and re-embarking does resolver any issues. Weather what the OP describes aa being relevant to the Jines Act is a different issue. re

I am afraid you are mistaken. Getting off the first cruise and checking in for the second cruise as long as you are on the same ship does not resolve the issues.
 

take a look at the situation described in post #8.  If what you said is correct there would have been no problem, but in fact, there was a problem and that itinerary was not allowed.

 

 

[hrhdhd]

25 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

You don't understand. Disembarking after a cruise segment and then having ti recheck in, getting a new sea pass card, and re-embarking does resolver any issues. Weather what the OP describes aa being relevant to the Jines Act is a different issue. re

It's the PVSA, not the Jones Act, and the issue is a single ship transporting a passenger from one U.S. port to another without a distant foreign port. The number of consecutive cruises does not matter.

[WestLakeGirl]

58 minutes ago, Guppy99 said:

You don't understand. Disembarking after a cruise segment and then having ti recheck in, getting a new sea pass card, and re-embarking does resolver any issues. Weather what the OP describes aa being relevant to the Jines Act is a different issue. re

Guppy99, this is incorrect.  The PVSA restriction (NOT Jones Act which deals with transport of cargo) is not changed by being on back to back cruises.

[jwlane]

I love how Jones vs. PVSA keeps getting mentioned because the early posts aren't being read.  (see post #2)  Which also answers OP's question.  Everything after is superfluous or inaccurate.

Edited Monday at 04:59 PM by jwlane

[RichYak]

2 hours ago, Guppy99 said:

You don't understand. Disembarking after a cruise segment and then having ti recheck in, getting a new sea pass card, and re-embarking does resolver any issues. Weather what the OP describes aa being relevant to the Jines Act is a different issue. re

You've already been corrected upthread. Why double down on being wrong?

[1025cruise]

The PVSA cares solely about where you get on the ship and where you get off (ie transported from port A to port B). The number of times you check out/check in makes no difference. If you get on the ship in Honolulu with the intention of getting off in Seattle, even if you have to "turn around" in Vancouver, you are still being transported from Honolulu to Seattle. Without a distant foreign stop, this is illegal. You would have to get off the ship in Vancouver, and then get on a different ship. 

[chengkp75]

4 hours ago, Guppy99 said:

You don't understand. Disembarking after a cruise segment and then having ti recheck in, getting a new sea pass card, and re-embarking does resolver any issues. Weather what the OP describes aa being relevant to the Jines Act is a different issue. re

Uh, no it doesn't.  What CBP is looking for, is when a passenger permanently disembarks the ship.  To "permanently disembark" you settle your account, and take your luggage off the ship, which I don't think anyone on a B2B has ever done.  CBP specifically mentions in their guidelines, that how a trip is advertised, or sold, in other words, as one cruise or many, does not matter, the only thing that is important is where the passenger embarks the ship, and where they permanently disembark the ship.

[abbydancer2003]

4 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Uh, no it doesn't.  What CBP is looking for, is when a passenger permanently disembarks the ship.  To "permanently disembark" you settle your account, and take your luggage off the ship, which I don't think anyone on a B2B has ever done.  CBP specifically mentions in their guidelines, that how a trip is advertised, or sold, in other words, as one cruise or many, does not matter, the only thing that is important is where the passenger embarks the ship, and where they permanently disembark the ship.

To stir the pot, you could theoretically remove your luggage, give it to a porter and get back on.  It's still a PSVA violation.  We used to do one night Seattle to Vancouver cruises.  They did that because the ships (Princess) were moving from Seattle for the Alaska season, to Los Angeles for the winter season.  They couldn't take passengers, so they'd do a one night, take everyone off, and put all new people on.  (Once during a muster drill in the bad old days the staff member asked who was staying on, and almost in unison 300 people said "We can't").

 

Because they had a ship doing Saturday RT and one doing Sunday, we'd take the Saturday one to Vancouver, stay overnight, and get on the ship coming up Monday morning back to California.  There are some advantages to living in CA.

[Milhouse]

As an aside... Does anyone listen to Bloomberg's Oddlots podcast?  Every time I hear references to the Jones Act, I think of how it's kind of a running joke now about how often it gets mentioned during their podcasts.  😄