turned away at Grand Restaurant for attire

[jmanechogroup]

I just feel bad for their waiters they will be losing all that tip money I have spoken to someone who was turned away at dinner for wearing a jacket but no tie because he was unable to wear it comfortably and was so upset he did not tip his waiter at all.

[flagger]

Never have seen anyone turned away at either the restaurant or the theatre. We have also seen someone sans jacket or tie in the speciality restaurant.

 

We usually dressed for dinner then changed into day clothes since we spend more of time in the casino and who wants their suit smelling of smoke. Also if we went to the theatre, we were never turned away. If we got dirty looks, we never noticed them or really cared about them.

[hajekfam]

I have seen someone turned away from the theater who changed after dinner. It seems that the enforcement of the dress code is sporadic.

It really bothers me when people say "go ahead and do as you want as I have never ever seen anyone turned away and I saw those who didn't follow the dress code". I would hate for a new cruiser to follow the advice of someone who says "I have never seen someone turned away" and be on the particular cruise where the maitre'd's are enforcing the code. That would definitely leave a bad feeling for Celebrity.

I believe the stock answer should be: "The dress code for Celebrity is ....... Please be aware that it does happen occasionally that the dress code is enforced."

I firmly believe that most dress code enforcement occurs when there is flagrant disregard.

[flagger]

I would hate for a new cruiser to follow the advice of someone who says "I have never seen someone turned away" and be on the particular cruise where the maitre'd's are enforcing the code. That would definitely leave a bad feeling for Celebrity.

It would be no different than someone being on a particular cruise and NOT seeing the maitre'ds enforcing the dress code. Not seeing it enforced is just as valid as seeing it enforced.

[hajekfam]

I can't believe that I didn't finish my thought -

I meant to say "would hate for a new cruiser to follow the advice of someone who says "I have never seen someone turned away" and be on the particular cruise where the maitre'd's are enforcing the code" and end up being turned away because they believed the person and didn't wear a jacket.

When a new Celebrity cruiser asks a question about the dress code and enforcement, I think it would be wiser to inform them that there is always a possibility that the code would be enforced - however sporadically it occurs - so that they would be prepared if it should happen to them. I know that if that happened to me, I would be pretty ticked with the person who told me go ahead and wear what you want - they don't turn people away.

[miami mama]

Anyone who sails on X should be aware of the dress code and attempt to comply with it if they want to be part of the dining and entertainment experience. With that being said, anytime someone "misses the mark" it is not a matter of good taste or manners to make them feel uncomfortable or slighted. Being civil is more than just being dressed correctly.

[cruisinelsewhere]

This is really simple. The dress code is clearly stated in the brochure, on the website and in the dailies once on board. If you are not comfortable with the dress code find an alternate vacation that suits your preferences. Simple.

[sandancer]

IMHO, the dining room should stock a few fuzzy ties for loan to those who "forget" them.

Just like the Ritz Hotel in London where you won't get over the door at teatime without a tie.

[dkjretired]

It would be no different than someone being on a particular cruise and NOT seeing the maitre'ds enforcing the dress code. Not seeing it enforced is just as valid as seeing it enforced.

 

Absolutely different and in no way can be compared. Not seeing it enforced does not help the person who follows that advice and then is denied entry. It is best in this case to describe worst case scenerio. I stated so in the first post after the OP. Your report is accurate but not necessarily factual.

[goofysmom99]

Flagger, what a good looking dog in your avatar! Is that a weimaraner?

[flagger]

Absolutely different and in no way can be compared. Not seeing it enforced does not help the person who follows that advice and then is denied entry. It is best in this case to describe worst case scenerio. I stated so in the first post after the OP. Your report is accurate but not necessarily factual.

Actually I disagree. Some will make a new cruiser feel as if there are fashion police standing at every entrance to the dining room. If they do not see it as led to believe by several posters and those not following the requested dress code, they could in fact have a view of Celebrity that is different than was claimed. So the point is valid that not seeing enforcement is just as important as claiming to see enforcement.

 

However it is FACTUAL that I have never seen it nor anyone turned away for not wearing a tie. In fact I specifically saw someone without a tie sitting for dinner on formal night both in the dining room and another one in the speciality restaurant.

[dkjretired]

Actually I disagree. Some will make a new cruiser feel as if there are fashion police standing at every entrance to the dining room. If they do not see it as led to believe by several posters and those not following the requested dress code, they could in fact have a view of Celebrity that is different than was claimed. So the point is valid that not seeing enforcement is just as important as claiming to see enforcement.

 

However it is FACTUAL that I have never seen it nor anyone turned away for not wearing a tie. In fact I specifically saw someone without a tie sitting for dinner on formal night both in the dining room and another one in the speciality restaurant.

 

That is not the point and no one is disputing your contention, it is really quite simple and I am surprised that you don't understand. If they follow your advice and don't bring the clothes they may not be allowed into the venue. If they follow the advice of most people on this board as well as the cruise line, that is not a problem. Please note I used the word may. I do not dispute that you have never seen anyone thrown out and I have seen people improperly dressed in the dining room who were not thrown out. Your advice may be accurate as far as you are concerned but certainly don't serve the person who is asking the question. I answered the question the person asked in the first post and I wish this whole thing had ended there but they never do. Your advice is simply wrong, no other words for it.....

[bububr]

Especially to the newbies.

 

Regardless of what someone feels or have been told they can get away with, the rule of thumb is be prepared.

 

It may be a cruisers first time, or an old salt that gets the 'No' from the Maitre'd.....at any given moment. Having the minimun of whats being asked can't hurt...It may only help in a situation where you want to eat in the main dingroom but refuse to dress appropriately, then once turned away you may be able to change and come back in code and be seated.

 

However if your turned away and didn't pack appropriately your basically out of luck, especially if the casual dining venues are full and you didn't make reservations.

 

Not dressing appropriately then crashing the party is very disrespectful to all the guests that do comply. Its not the clothing thats important its the tradition, respect, and compliance that are.

 

Now being said NCL has been airing commercials that simply state, we won't tell you how to dress or when to eat.......Maybe some of you should rethink your X cruise and switch to NCL....where you don't have to comply to eat in the main diningroom......it would save the rest of us the aggrevation.

 

Dave:eek:

[Drew B]

Its not a language or cultural thing, it simply ignorance or defiance.

 

The codes are not only spelled out in the literature and website, but they are written in your cruise documents.

 

They specifically point out what is appropriate. I know there is also an issue with the word "Informal" some like to say semi-formal....but that is also spelled out VERY clearly in the information. The only thing that some feel is up for interpretation is the 'tie'. X states jacket and tie, but when you read the dailies, it does not specify tie. I was brought up with the notion that a tie went with a jacket. and if you wore a jacket sans tie it was for a dressy casual...ie camel hair jacket with jeans and sportscoat, not Informal.

 

People these days are simply lazy.

 

 

 

I don't necessarily agree. On my last cruise, I shared my table with an Iranian immigrant couple taking their first-ever cruise. Clearly, English was not their first language. They required help from the waiter every single night simply to understand the menu! I'm guessing that the dress codes spelled out on the website, the literature, and the cruise documents went right over their heads. I don't recall seeing the FARSI language option for any of these formats...

 

On the first formal night, they showed up dressed exactly like they had on other nights. Nobody glared at them or did anything to make them feel bad. Clearly, they picked up on the fact that dress was different on this night. The next two formal nights, they showed up in what I assume were the dressiest outfits they had brought (I saw them on debarkation day, and each only had one small suitcase for a 13-day cruise). He wore a pair of dress trousers and a sharp cream-colored sweater -- she wore dressy navy slacks and a gray silk blouse. Neither one of them was conforming to the dress code, but they both looked very nice and I respected that they had made an effort.

 

Now, perhaps it was incumbent upon them to have gotten the paperwork translated. I don't know. I'm guessing that they learned their lesson, and if they cruise again, they will bring appropriate clothing. Or perhaps they won't. I don't know. We didn't discuss their faux pas... Still, I would rather have well-meaning but improperly-dressed people dining with me than impeccably-dressed people who spend the meal bitterly harping on the dress of those at other tables...

[woodofpine]

then I quit drinking and the problem went away. :)

[bububr]

Regarding the Iranians.

 

I have to agree with you to some extent, and the lack of or misunderstanding of dress or definition of it is quite possible....

 

But Its obvious if they booked on line by themselves they would be able enough to understand the schedules, itineraries, shore excursions and pricing as they would be required to do so, unless they inadvertly just typed in their CC# and bought a cruise.

 

Most likely they booked through a US travel agent that didn't inform them of the expectations ( Okay all TA's I called 2 major US travel agencies and both told me I didn't need a tux or a suit for a 5 day cruise...Its called making a sale!:( ) . Or the agency didn't speak the language, or they just didn't care and wanted to make the sale. Its been my experience, the last time on an Alaskan cruise when a couple was freaked out by the fact that they were underdressed, and showed me an E-mail from their TA answering some questions....The TA did infact state that the dress codes are not enforced.

 

The couple later then E-mailed me ( we stay in touch ) with the Agents apology but informed them that it is only the Travel agencys opinion and not necessarily the rules or codes of the individual cruiseline; that is up to the purchaser to decide...or something like that. I can't find the email at this point. Th couple in question actually went out in a port and bought appropriate clothing as not to feel out of place , which they owned but had not packed because of the TAs advice.

 

So I don't know the whole scenario, but quite possibly it could have been the TA, which is just as bad as some of the posters here who try to disuede new cruisers from following the dress codes.

 

I have been cruiing for years. I pack not only a tuxedo, but a dinner jacket, and blazer. All of my clothing fits into a 3 suiter on wheels and a carry-on. Anything that gets dirty or needs pressing gets done on the ship. My bag weighs less than 50lbs. Soit can be done. Of couse I don't have the bottles of smuggled booze, the electronics, coffee makers, DVD players, cell phones and what other garbage people drag with them on vacation. I'm on vacation to enjoy myself, and part of that enjoyment is choosing a line like X where the majority of the passengers adhere to the traditional rules and regulations of the seas. If I wanted something different I'd choose a different line instead of fighting the system. The mid range cruises are all about the same price. I just like the more traditional for the ambience and magic of it, otherwise I'd be doing 'Barefoot cruises' in shorts for 7 days.

 

Dave:eek:

[Drew B]

I have been cruiing for years. I pack not only a tuxedo, but a dinner jacket, and blazer. All of my clothing fits into a 3 suiter on wheels and a carry-on. Anything that gets dirty or needs pressing gets done on the ship. My bag weighs less than 50lbs. Soit can be done. Of couse I don't have the bottles of smuggled booze, the electronics, coffee makers, DVD players, cell phones and what other garbage people drag with them on vacation. I'm on vacation to enjoy myself, and part of that enjoyment is choosing a line like X where the majority of the passengers adhere to the traditional rules and regulations of the seas. If I wanted something different I'd choose a different line instead of fighting the system. The mid range cruises are all about the same price. I just like the more traditional for the ambience and magic of it, otherwise I'd be doing 'Barefoot cruises' in shorts for 7 days.

 

Dave:eek:

 

I agree, and it is important to me to dress appropriately. However, I am offended by others who are not dressed appropriately for a different reason - I really don't care what they wear, and their dress probably won't "ruin the ambience" for me. However, the open flouting of propriety to me is VERY RUDE, and their rudeness ruins the ambience much more than anything to do with dress... In the case of my Iranians, I don't think there was an ounce of rudeness to how they were dressed, so it didn't bother me.

[woodofpine]

I really don't care what they wear, and their dress probably won't "ruin the ambience" for me.

 

OK...

 

If one accepts the foregoing as an honest statement, then isn't all the aggravation self-inflicted... Ain't it something that YOU conjure up in your own head with your own feelings that ultimately only YOU are responsible for?

 

The world has had non-conformists since the biginning of time and the beginning of cruising. Last time I checked, increases in internal blood pressure didn't reduce external non-conformity.

[Drew B]

I don't think that's the case. I'm a person of principle and I care about the difference between right and wrong; proper and improper whether or not it directly impacts me. If somebody gets murdered in my town, chances are it wouldn't affect me much, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't be upset about it. If I watched somebody showing blatant disrespect for somebody - say calling them a racist epithet - that wouldn't directly impact me either, but I would still care because I know it is wrong. Is ignoring the dress code equal to murder or racism? Probably not. But like those "crimes" it indicates a perpetrator who is willing to do what he/she wants in defiance of legal/social norms, regardless of who it may upset.

[joy cruiser]

I cannot understand why someone would be embarrased about some one elses attire. As long as they are neat and clean what the heck. I have been on 30+ cruises and am only concerned about how I dress. We have every income class sailing and maybe the dress code should be a little relaxed, after all every body can afford a ball gown or tux for one event.

[joy cruiser]

Oops, I meant not every one could afford a ball gown or tux.