Have you Known Someone Be Put Ashore Early

[PhoenixCruiser]

Thanks for the link; it's an amazing thread. I should've searched. :o

 

You would have been wasting your time because the search function isn't working. I posted to the thread so it was easy for me to find :D

 

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[Ephraim]

I just got off the Grandeur today. This was my first cruise during spring break. During muster, long-winded Capt Remo must have mentioned 3 times that there would be no tolerance for drunken, violent, and/or abusive behavior and parents would be held accountable for their under 18 dependents. As we departed in Key West on Fri afternoon, Capt Remo announced that 18 people had been put off the ship in Key West because of disruptive and damaging behavior. That seemed to have done the trick, because I never saw any really bad behavior. Other than tank tops, shorts, and flip-flops in the dining room on a couple of wasted guys, I didn't notice any 'rule' violations.

 

ODD! In my mind, Key West would be the LAST place that they would consider throwing someone off, because it would involve a fine for violation of the PVSA. I wonder if they also had to pay the PVSA fine as well. Talk about adding insult to injury.

[Buddybuttons]

Just off Majesty on Friday....there were quite a few kicked off there as well....personally saw half a dozen, but not sure of final total....dining staff mentioned five arrests....first time I saw it happen, but now DH wants to see what the cruise jail looks like - never knew they had one!!

[Cruise Junky]

The only time I've seen someone kicked off was Key West. He was actually dragged off in handcuffs by three REALLY BIG DEA guys.

[MonDreamr1]

On our Majesty Springbreak cruise in 06 there were several put off for various things.

 

The latest one was on Granduer this past Thanksgiving (yes they did REALLY put the one set off in Labadee)

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=666395

[Andy99]

I know of someone taken off the ship in handcuffs. When the ship got to Bermuda, after a stop in the Caribbean, the local police came on board with drug sniffing dogs. They take drug possession very seriously and one of the cabins had a large quantity of Pot. The Cabins occupant was taken off in cuffs and was arrested for drug trafficking. He never made it back on the ship so I dont know what happened next....

[Peggy13]

We were on the Majesty this past November when the couple in the cabin next door were fighting and screaming very loudly one night. Well we didn't hear anything the next day, but then the day after our cabin attendant told us they were separated that night because our other neighbors called about the noise and there was blood found in the cabin. So that night the husband and wife were separated and the next day the two of the them were told to pack up and were put off the ship in Nassau.

[mckinna]

We've never witnessed any behavior that would justify someone being kicked off, but then, we don't stay up late and go to the clubs or bars. We've always said we were going to, but just couldn't stay awake. (I know- we're old) However, I'm sure it has happened, but we didn't know about it. I don't feel sorry for those it happens to, in fact, RCI probably needs to do it more often.

 

Maybe it is because I read these boards much more now than I did when we first cruised, but it seems that type of out-of-control behavior is happening much more these days.

[MrZoey]

Hi 3some!

I spoke to one of the officers on the ship yesterday afternoon while we had a day at sea. He said that the two groups involved had 3 young men get into a fight at the pool within a half hour of sailing on Thursday. The trouble then continued at dinner with rude and loud behavior. Friday morning the ship was met with a half dozen from the sheriff's dept from Key West and all 18 were escorted off. He said they all left quietly, so no one was arrested:eek: !!! We were in the solarium Thursday afternoon, so we missed the fight.

[phtktz3]

I'm really stunned at the number of stories about people who get off on throwing chairs overboard! What is the fascination with this?! Either way, a lot of interesting stories here and in the future I'll keep my eyes peeled for flying furniture!

 

Aside from that... someone mentioned that adults are responsible for anyone under either 21 or 25... can anyone confirm this? It just seems rather old to me. I can maybe understand the 21 just because of the US drinking age... but 25 seems a little excessive... Especially when most places consider the age of adulthood and independence to be 18 (heck, where I'm from, that's the drinking age!)

I honestly believe it is 25 for some reason. I know that they do make some exceptions for honeymooners....both my son and his friend were 19 at the time of our incident.

[phtktz3]

I just booked a royal family suite on Explorer 1/23.

Since it sleeps 8 we are letting each of our kids bring friends.

That's 2-13year olds, 2-15 year olds & 2-24 year olds.

We've know them since they were babies & I'm very friendly with their parents, but now I'm really nervous about it.

They are all good kids and I have to say that my Son & Daughters friends are much more mellow than they are (that's why I picked them) and we've gone on short vacations with them for years.

 

I'm so glad I read this thread. I will absolutely have a sit down with both sets of parents & go over ground rules before we leave. I can't even imagine what I would do if something like that were to happen to me. I was just worried that the 13 year old might get homesick. I think that will be the least of my worries now.

 

Thanks so much for eye-opener,

Andrea

 

Andrea,

This is exactly the reason I share my story from time to time. I hope you have a great cruise!

[phtktz3]

Lori - how wonderful that you take responsibility for the under-age passenger you are traveling with. I have seen people put off for food fights in Jonny Rockets and danmaging art work in the hallways. Let's applaud RCCL for running a safe environment for all of us.

 

I agree 100%....I, myself, did not feel comfortable with this kid anymore. If RCCL had not put us off the ship I would have had a miserable cruise full of stress, not to mention sleeping with one eye open every night! Again, RCCL did exactly what they should have done, that experience was not only frightening for me and my son , but for all the officers involved that night. RCCL is still my cruiseline of choice and always will be.

[JLC@SD]

When you consider that the ship becomes, in effect, a small government, operating under international maritime law, you can see that passengers must submit to the authority of the captain, whether directly, or through the instructions of his crew and staff. If they won't do that, it is hasta la bye bye for them.

 

I have always thought of it as a dictatorship......the Captain has all the authority within the law....:)

[MosaicSun]

I was put off a ship in St. Maarten in January 2006. We were aboard RCI Radiance of the Seas.....to make a really long story shorter, my 19 yr old son brought a friend along on this cruise who was also 19 and we had known him for 10 yrs. Turns out you never really know someone until you are with them 24/7. He was , evidently, on medication for ADD and a few other things and had decided not to take it ( I had no prior knowledge of his conditions) as a result of him trying to jump off the back of the ship we were put off to find our own way home. $3500.00 later we had a flight booked from St. Maarten to Miami then another $1500.00 later we had our flight booked home to St. Louis. I in no way blame RCI for putting us off...it was the right thing to do, although I was freaking out trying to figure out how we would get back to the states, RCI was very helpful in making the travel arrangements. Moral to this story is to never take responsibility for anyone elses child, and if you do make sure you ask the right questions about medical conditions/ medications. As a result of this situation I am not longer able to travel on RCI with a minor in my custody. If anyone has any questions I'd be happy to answer them.....Incidently, I do realize that ADD does not cause most people to react this way , but this kid had more problems than just that.

So sorry that happened to you and glad you shared your experience with everyone. I hope this incident didn't ruin your outlook on cruising or vacationing in general. Sometimes when you open yourself up for others, you get burned. As sad as it is, it makes it hard for people to do nice things for others without consequence. Like when someone is having a heart attack and someone performs CPR on them and cracks a rib, people have the audacity to sue for their cracked rib, despite the person saved their life. FYI, this did not happen to me or anyone I know, just heard of instances of this.

 

I hope this guy's parent's reimbursed you for the cost you incurred to get back home. Take care and good luck with your future trips. ;)

[cruiserbryce]

Thats quite an experience and its admirable that you own responsibility and dont get mad at the line...a cruise line is responsible for the safety and comfort of all on board and will do what they need to in order to maintain that...seems like every time people are removed it is b/c of this

[JsMom2]

Andrea,

This is exactly the reason I share my story from time to time. I hope you have a great cruise!

 

Lori,

Thank you for sharing! Your story is very informative and helpful, but also very refreshing.

 

To everyone else on this thread,

Isn't it amazing though that when we meet someone like Lori and her son who are obviously very decent, responsible, GOOD people that we are almost surprised?

[pjlee3333]

On our Majesty Springbreak cruise in 06 there were several put off for various things.

 

The latest one was on Granduer this past Thanksgiving (yes they did REALLY put the one set off in Labadee)

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=666395

 

We were on the Granduer cruise where they put people off in San Juan and in Labadee on Thanksgiving. We didn't see it happen but heard about it later.

[Dr_DNA]

I think that it is great that a Captain will throw troublemakers off the ship. Hats off to him! I don't want my vacation to be disrupted by those that cause such a disruption to others.

[MonDreamr1]

We were on the Granduer cruise where they put people off in San Juan and in Labadee on Thanksgiving. We didn't see it happen but heard about it later.

 

 

We are on the same cruise. We saw the people in San Juan with their bags.

[Sarvowinner]

Other than a bartender or server *possibly* having a moral responsibility to try to prevent a passenger from harming themselves or others, I do not believe cruiselines have policies for cutting off intoxicated passengers. Nor should they. The cruiseline is not a babysitter.

 

How can the cruise line be expected to enforce it? How intoxicated should the passenger be? If they are not causing a problem for other passengers, how do you justify cutting them off? Who should enforce it? The bartender?

 

This does occur in bars on land, but the concern is about lawsuits resulting from the customer getting into a car and killing someone.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "band them". Are you talking about physical restraint, or did you mean "ban" them from the bar?

 

Jeff

 

In Australia, all people who serve alcohol, including waiters who only deliver drinks to a table, must demonstrate they have training in the "Responsible Service of Alcohol". The course is laid out by the licensing authorities.

 

Specifically in NSW:

 

"As part of responsible service of alcohol, venues must prevent drunkenness, minors accessing liquor, and understand that irresponsible liquor practices lead to problems both on and off the premises.

 

 

Responsible service of alcohol training is mandatory for people working in the NSW liquor industry, including licensees, club secretaries, permanent and casual serving staff, and security staff."

 

They are trained in detecting and dealing with intoxicated people and the licencee is responsible if it is shown that an employee knowingly serves an intoxicated person. It's not a case of being a babysitter. It's a responsibility taken on as a condition of the licence to sell alcohol.

 

 

 

Lori

 

 

 

My heart goes out to you. You were handed a rotten hand.

[ruskatab]

I can't stress enough that you should say flat-out, to the child AND the parents, making sure that everyone totally understands, that you will SEND THE CHILD HOME AT THE PARENTS' EXPENSE if they violate the rules which you have set up.

 

Thats a really good idea to let the parents know it will be their responsibility financially to get their bad behaving child home. When we used to take the kids friends with us I would always have them sign a paper for medical treatment, might be a good idea for them to sign a financial sheet also.

[SherriZ366]

I think that the Captains being so proactive is great. The rest of us don't need to have our hard-earned vacation ruined by the obnoxious behavior of others.

[MosaicSun]

In Australia, all people who serve alcohol, including waiters who only deliver drinks to a table, must demonstrate they have training in the "Responsible Service of Alcohol". The course is laid out by the licensing authorities.

 

Specifically in NSW:

 

"As part of responsible service of alcohol, venues must prevent drunkenness, minors accessing liquor, and understand that irresponsible liquor practices lead to problems both on and off the premises.

 

 

Responsible service of alcohol training is mandatory for people working in the NSW liquor industry, including licensees, club secretaries, permanent and casual serving staff, and security staff."

 

They are trained in detecting and dealing with intoxicated people and the licencee is responsible if it is shown that an employee knowingly serves an intoxicated person. It's not a case of being a babysitter. It's a responsibility taken on as a condition of the licence to sell alcohol.

 

 

 

Lori

 

 

 

My heart goes out to you. You were handed a rotten hand.

 

It's the same in the U.S., all servers & bartenders are trained on alcohol awareness. If someone leaves the restaurant/bar intoxicated and causes a car accident, the restaurant could be held liable. The server/bartender would too be held at fault, because they should know when someone is clearly unable to continue drinking.

 

The problem is, everyone wants people to have a good time, and more importantly, the server wants to keep getting tips. Sometimes it's a fine line, sometimes it is drawn clearly, and some people just don't want to be the one to make that call. It's unfortunate, but I bartended all through college and no one wants to be the one to tell someone, "Sorry, you've had enough", unless they're a jerk, then it's easy. :D

[4everafter]

Hi 3some!

I spoke to one of the officers on the ship yesterday afternoon while we had a day at sea. He said that the two groups involved had 3 young men get into a fight at the pool within a half hour of sailing on Thursday. The trouble then continued at dinner with rude and loud behavior. Friday morning the ship was met with a half dozen from the sheriff's dept from Key West and all 18 were escorted off. He said they all left quietly, so no one was arrested:eek: !!! We were in the solarium Thursday afternoon, so we missed the fight.

 

Wow! while working out at the Y this morning my friend asked his friend how his cruise was and he was in that group! He is really upset about it, 3 of the boys ruined it for the whole group. I've seen him at the Y before and he is a really nice boy(just about 21 I'd guess) , I don't know if I agree with putting off the whole group. this young man said him and his friend asked to be moved from their dinner table and they were extremely cooperative with the ship investigators - none the less - in the morning the Key West Police were there to escort them off the ship.

That being said ~ I'm getting ready to travel with my kids and I want every measure to be taken to make sure they are safe the entire time!!

[Onessa]

. . . Maybe it is because I read these boards much more now than I did when we first cruised, but it seems that type of out-of-control behavior is happening much more these days.

 

It could be that it is happening more these days, but at least some of the increase can be traced back to the cruise lines and the authorities -- there is no tolerance for drugs or physical violence. In the past security may have cut some of these pax at least a little slack, but no more. It does make it more enjoyable for those of us who "behave" ourselves.

 

. . . He is really upset about it, 3 of the boys ruined it for the whole group. I've seen him at the Y before and he is a really nice boy(just about 21 I'd guess) , I don't know if I agree with putting off the whole group. . . .

 

If the troublemakers of the group had been the +25YOs of the group, the line may have had no other choice -- they will not allow under 25YO on board without a "responsible" adult. He'll have to chalk it up to a life lesson -- there are some folks with whom you just don't want to be associated!