Yet another sad reason we should avoid Jamaica..

[shepp]

I mean, come on, when was the last time a Christian was in the news for stoning a person.

 

Well, there is what's been happening in Uganda, thanks to evangelical Christians. And gee, if Santorum were to get elected and succeed in his aim of recriminalizing non-vaginal sex, we'd all have jail time hanging over our heads.

[soldham]

I find that many religions harbor ill will towards gays, but Muslims seem to be more extreme.

I mean, come on, when was the last time a Christian was in the news for stoning a person. How many buddists do you know who execute women for infidelity(actual or supposed) How are women looked upon in the Muslim world as a whole?? Either you are amazingly ignorant of what goes on, or you quietly support it!

 

I am neither. Yes - I agree that the muslim religion as a whole has a long way to go to match the freedoms that liberal christians enjoy but I am not so naive as to believe that all muslims are out to get us (gay or just western) just as I know that not all Christians think abortionists should be shot.

[keithm]

Well, there is what's been happening in Uganda, thanks to evangelical Christians. And gee, if Santorum were to get elected and succeed in his aim of recriminalizing non-vaginal sex, we'd all have jail time hanging over our heads.

Yeah, that Santorum is something. I've never missed an election (local or National)It only takes the good to do nothing for evil to prevail. That's why I wish all the younger voters(who are dissillusioned by Mr.Obama)would still vote. It's been said many of them will sit on the sidelines...A shame.

[keithm]

I am neither. Yes - I agree that the muslim religion as a whole has a long way to go to match the freedoms that liberal christians enjoy but I am not so naive as to believe that all muslims are out to get us (gay or just western) just as I know that not all Christians think abortionists should be shot.

I still feel that American Christian fundamentalists are our own little Taliban.

[wthierry]

I find that many religions harbor ill will towards gays, but Muslims seem to be more extreme.

I mean, come on, when was the last time a Christian was in the news for stoning a person. How many buddists do you know who execute women for infidelity(actual or supposed) How are women looked upon in the Muslim world as a whole?? Either you are amazingly ignorant of what goes on, or you quietly support it!

 

I dont claim to know anything about Muslim laws, but as far as evangelical Christians here, they tend to be against gay marriage and actually want to create laws to make it illegal... its the first step in eliminating more laws for a group of people... I think there was this guy back in the 30's that started doing things incrementally to Jews.... He first just made them wear identifying stars, then it gradually got worse..... That's what I cant help but think about every time a Christian says something anti gay....

[soldham]

I still feel that American Christian fundamentalists are our own little Taliban.

 

:) Well said...

[sunworshipperatsea]

Thanks for the info, I'm sure it will come in handy!

[wthierry]

I still feel that American Christian fundamentalists are our own little Taliban.

 

And our problem is a bit scarier, since Americans are supposed to be educated..... most followers of groups in the middle east have limited or no education other than the fables of religion...

[CruisinForATan]

Been there once and once was more then enough. I also never get off the ship if it stops here but usually try to pick trips that do not even include Jamaica as a port.

[satxdiver]

Yeah, that Santorum is something. I've never missed an election (local or National)It only takes the good to do nothing for evil to prevail. That's why I wish all the younger voters(who are dissillusioned by Mr.Obama)would still vote. It's been said many of them will sit on the sidelines...A shame.

 

I agree. While you may not like what Obama has done for the GLBT community or has not done enough, imagine how much McCain would have done or how much Romney would do for us. It has just been revealed that Romney gave a $10,000 donation through an AL PAC to NOM to support Prop 8 in 2008. If you choose to not vote in protest, the right wing thanks you since that is one less vote they have to overcome to get their bigoted ticket in office. Don't help the right wing, vote against them in every election.

[keithm]

I agree. While you may not like what Obama has done for the GLBT community or has not done enough, imagine how much McCain would have done or how much Romney would do for us. It has just been revealed that Romney gave a $10,000 donation through an AL PAC to NOM to support Prop 8 in 2008. If you choose to not vote in protest, the right wing thanks you since that is one less vote they have to overcome to get their bigoted ticket in office. Don't help the right wing, vote against them in every election.

I think Romney is not as bad as some think. He portrays himself the rightwinger, but really wasn't when he was Mass.Gov.I still don't plan on voting for him. I preferred Huntsman. It will be interesting to see who Romney's VP will be. If it's Santorum, then no screwup by Obama. or bigmouth Biden would matter. In a general election, Santorum is well disliked(hated,actually)Romney HAS to pick a realative moderate to stand any chance of winning. I still don't really care for Obama(just think he's too left on business issues)That being said, he is light years ahead of the Republicans(I liked Jerry Ford) after meeting him in my college days, I found him to be a "genuine" person.

[bapdallas]

Bad sea Legs, et al

 

About Jamaica - I/ we agree completely

 

And BTW, I feel the same way about Barbados. My partner and I rented a car and went to buy gas at a Texaco there, and when returning to the vehicle were verbally harasssed (for no reason wahtsoever) by so-called "Christians" quoting us Leviticus

 

As a result, I'm rather leery of the entire English Caribbean. BTW, if you want to go to Hell, make a point to stop in Grand Cayman. There is a town by that name on the island, and it is run by the fundies, who spend their days alternating between reading scriptures and selling "Hell" memorabilia (seems a little incongruous, no)

 

We'll stick to the Dutch islands, as well as the Spanish speaking ones where we have had the best experiences!

 

K

[shepp]

Romney HAS to pick a realative moderate to stand any chance of winning.

 

So much for that.

[ONT-CA]

A good summary of the current situation in the Caribbean and in particular Jamaica is found today at:

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/26/jamaica-gay-rights-homophobic-laws

[Rotterdam]

I travelled to jamaica back in 1975....believe me if you were'nt a native Jamaican you were treated like crap( I was travelling w/ family)and many others said the same. My sister rented a villa for a month in the 1980's...tehre were machine gun toting guards around the property......I went back in the early 1990's & it was pretty much the same...I refuse to go back ever again.....

 

Now in 2012 I am fed up w/ these people so I see no need to support their homeland. There are plenty of other places to get some sun and be totally welcomed!

[FSUNole]

????? Has something been edited or am I missing something here? Maybe I'm incredibly dim this evening but I thought crusingJoe was actually in agreement with you........... ? If not it's a piece of sarcasm that went way over my head!!

 

Maybe I'm reading things wrong.

 

Same here...

[DFWGUYZ]

Our last scheduled stop in Jamaica 2011, we disembarked the ship...talked with a taxi driver about a private tour around but within minutes of the request we realized there was potential danger because we over heard the drivesr say "we've got some batty boys wanting a tour" over his radio to dispatch, I assume it was dispatch but who knows. The taxi driver was unaware that I picked up on his lingo...I said hang on a minute I've got to get cash from the ship...we never retruned to the taxi area. Went to the aft pool on the ship, ordered drinks and soaked up some sun. What must be noted here is that we are an older couple, not spry to defend ourselves. For goodness sakes we lived through the Stone Wall riots. We are spent when it comes to defending ourselves in a backwoods Caribbean island. My point is many may not encounter hostile situations but when you are clearly a gay couple the Jamacians take notice.

[AnonymousCruiser69]

Our last scheduled stop in Jamaica 2011, we disembarked the ship...talked with a taxi driver about a private tour around but within minutes of the request we realized there was potential danger because we over heard the drivesr say "we've got some batty boys wanting a tour" over his radio to dispatch, I assume it was dispatch but who knows. The taxi driver was unaware that I picked up on his lingo...I said hang on a minute I've got to get cash from the ship...we never retruned to the taxi area. Went to the aft pool on the ship, ordered drinks and soaked up some sun. What must be noted here is that we are an older couple, not spry to defend ourselves. For goodness sakes we lived through the Stone Wall riots. We are spent when it comes to defending ourselves in a backwoods Caribbean island. My point is many may not encounter hostile situations but when you are clearly a gay couple the Jamacians take notice.

 

i plan on staying on the ship as well. there is nothing there i want to see. i almost didn't book the cruise because the ship stopped there, but it was just too good of a deal.

[jim98122x]

I skip all ships that stop in Jamaica. Not only would I not get off the ship anyway, I figure that if the ship pays Jamaica port charges for every passenger that they carry, Jamaica gets money from me even if I don't go ashore. This "batty boy" will keep his batty money for places it's welcome, thank you.

[satxdiver]

I skip all ships that stop in Jamaica. Not only would I not get off the ship anyway, I figure that if the ship pays Jamaica port charges for every passenger that they carry, Jamaica gets money from me even if I don't go ashore. This "batty boy" will keep his batty money for places it's welcome, thank you.

 

I agree and have managed to stay out of Jamaica. However our next cruise stops there and we definitely will stay on the ship. We tried not to book a cruise that goes there but because of the port, ship and date we wanted, we have to go to Jamaica.

[gentlemancruiser]

Just curious, how long can you keep a thread alive?

[gambee]

My bf, mom and I stopped at Falmouth. I went off with mom and my bf went on his own. I was fine the entire time, but my bf on the other hand was harrased and followed inside the rccl complex by some locals. He was forced back to the ship just to avoid conflict.

 

I really would not recommend for gay people to book cruises that stop in Jamaica. I regret it going there.

[shepp]

Just curious, how long can you keep a thread alive?

 

I just ran across a thread on the Princess board, about doing laundry, that was started three-and-a-half-years ago and has three brand-new postings. About laundry.

 

So two years for this one is no big deal. :)

[DFWGUYZ]

Just curious, how long can you keep a thread alive?

 

..as long as GLBGT are in potential in danger while visiting this lsland? :confused:

[gentlemancruiser]

My bf, mom and I stopped at Falmouth. I went off with mom and my bf went on his own. I was fine the entire time, but my bf on the other hand was harrased and followed inside the rccl complex by some locals. He was forced back to the ship just to avoid conflict.

 

I really would not recommend for gay people to book cruises that stop in Jamaica. I regret it going there.

 

My partner and I had a similar problem in Acapulco Mexico a few years ago. After leaving the ship we noticed that we were being followed by a very worrysome looking guy. The many never spoke to us but was always trailing about 20 feet behind us not matter where we went. We even went into a church to try and lose him. When we went out the other side doors of the church, the guy was standing there waiting to follow us. We decided for our own comfort and safety to start walking back towards the ship and luckly we spotted an officer from the ship in a store, so we ducked inside the store. We explained to the officer about what was happening and pointed out the guy follow us. The office escorted us back to the ship and told a police office what was happening. The police officer just smilied at us.

I'll never go back there again.