Chair Hogs, Dress Codes and Smgelling Alcohol.

[mommywholuvstocruise]

Chair hoggers have an impact on others who are looking for a seat.

 

What people choose to wear should have no impact on others, unless of course they are wearing your clothes!

 

Very well said.

 

People who worry so much about the clothes someone else is wearing in the MDR just have no life.

 

People's behavior in the MDR has more of an effect on the "ambiance" of the dining room than their fashion sense. I'll take the quiet guy wearing shorts over the loud drunk man in the 3-piece suit any day of the week.

[alny5810]

Totally agree moomywholuvstocruise

[cruisebunnies]

If I wanted to sit with people who dressed inapproprately,drank smuggled liquor and hogged seats i would be going to Nascar events not cruising.

[ncb106]

you on vacation why you care what people wear to eat me i dont care what people wear or do i just go to enjoy my vacation once i am having fun i dont care what people wear or do,know the only thing i dont like when people save chairs at the pool and the theater

[johneeo]

How?

 

Smuggling alcohol results in lost revenue. Lost revenue results in having to make it up by charging you and me more for the cost of our cruise.

 

Simple economics.

[Bigtex1622]

I do not remember seeing this in your Oasis food review.

 

Was that served in the Windjammer on formal nights when people didn't want to dress up and go to the MDR?

 

Nope, on the last night in the MDR.

For those who are skippin' out on tippin' !!!

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

[johneeo]

That makes no sense. If the cruise line is unaware that someone has smuggled, then they are not aware of the lost revenue. You also assume that if people didn't smuggle they would spend the money on RCI's alcohol. Some might just go without. Believe me, the cruise line makes a bundle on drinking and gambling without having to increase drink prices.

 

It makes perfect sense.

 

The cruise line needs to make x amount of dollars to break even or make a profit. Whether they make x by selling pictures, ice cream, or drinks does not matter, they still need to make x. Part of x is in alcoholic beverages. When people smuggle booze, the gross on x becomes less, that is a fact.

 

When x is not met, the cost of other components of x will be increased, such as the cost of your cruise.

 

And if you think that people will go without drinking on a cruise, I have this bridge I own that connects Philadelphia to New Jersey and the revenue it generates is phenomenol.

[Njbeauch]

I will be sailing on the Marinar of the Seas on a 12 night in the Eastern Med. Can someone fill me in on the ship and the ports of call and excursions. Thanks

[DivingPrincessE]

I will be sailing on the Marinar of the Seas on a 12 night in the Eastern Med. Can someone fill me in on the ship and the ports of call and excursions. Thanks

 

Kind of an odd place for this post...

[wcook]

When x is not met, the cost of other components of x will be increased, such as the cost of your cruise.

But that's not how companies set prices in the real world. Prices aren't based on how much a company needs to make a profit. They are based on what they can get away with.

 

RCI charges as much as they possibly can. If they could charge more, they could. Smuggling won't lead to increased prices.

[BrianAlt]

But that's not how companies set prices in the real world. Prices aren't based on how much a company needs to make a profit. They are based on what they can get away with.

 

Is that so? So companies don't have a profit margin in mind when setting prices? And they don't analyze if they are meeting those margins?

 

That's exactly how a company sets prices!

[brfan]

Smuggling alcohol results in lost revenue. Lost revenue results in having to make it up by charging you and me more for the cost of our cruise.

 

Simple economics.

 

Also it prevents the cruise line from having any control over how much someone drinks and the age of the person doing the drinking (eg. teen in parent's liquor stash).

 

As far as clothing goes, as long as what someone wears doesn't ruin my appetite (a man with sleeveless shirt with arm pit hair long enough to braid :eek:, would be one example), I don't really care. It is between the passenger and the maitre d', whether or not that person is allowed in the dining room. If it bothers someone that the dress code breakers are allowed in then they should write to the cruiseline expressing this displeasure.

[Cruzface]

It makes perfect sense.

 

The cruise line needs to make x amount of dollars to break even or make a profit. Whether they make x by selling pictures, ice cream, or drinks does not matter, they still need to make x. Part of x is in alcoholic beverages. When people smuggle booze, the gross on x becomes less, that is a fact.

 

When x is not met, the cost of other components of x will be increased, such as the cost of your cruise.

 

And if you think that people will go without drinking on a cruise, I have this bridge I own that connects Philadelphia to New Jersey and the revenue it generates is phenomenol.

 

I'm guessing you know of several cruises where the cruise line did not make a profit because of smuggled liquor. The reality is that the cruise lines are making tons of money. They just want more, understandably, because it is a business. That's the simple economics. If they thought they could raise the prices of drinks and get away with it, they would. It has nothing to do with smuggling.

[Cruzface]

Also it prevents the cruise line from having any control over how much someone drinks and the age of the person doing the drinking (eg. teen in parent's liquor stash).

 

That is more valid, but still not the reason. Money people, MONEY. It's the same reason why the food quality has dropped off in the MDR, they want you to go to the specialty restaurants and pay more MONEY.

 

Don't get me wrong, I spend the money on the cruise happily, but I don't fret over whether someone else smuggled liqour and is drinking for "free."

[johneeo]

But that's not how companies set prices in the real world. Prices aren't based on how much a company needs to make a profit. They are based on what they can get away with.

 

RCI charges as much as they possibly can. If they could charge more, they could. Smuggling won't lead to increased prices.

 

The free market determines the price ultimately.

 

All businesses charge as much as they can, that is how you maximize profits. However, the competition has a tremendous effect on what RCI or any cruise line can charge.

 

If the cost of beer on RCI was $20 a beer, I would not cruise on RCI. This may not effect non beer drinkers, but many would choose a cruise line that charged $4 a beer.

 

As for your statement that prices are not based on what a company needs to make a profit is beyond absurd. All companies need to make a profit, or at the very LEAST, break even. If they do NOT, they will go out of business.

 

Consider that the majority of adults on a cruise ship drink. Assuming that there are 1,500 drinking adults on a cruise, assume that they have four drinks a day and it is a 10 day cruise for simplicity. Each drink costs $5, therefore, each adult spends $20 a day, total revenue to the cruiseline of

$150,000.

 

Now assume that everyone smuggles their drinks on board. The cruise line now loses $150,000 in revenue. You do not think that they will need to make up for this lost revenue and find other services to increase costs, such as passing it on to the cost of the cruise itself?

[johneeo]

I'm guessing you know of several cruises where the cruise line did not make a profit because of smuggled liquor. The reality is that the cruise lines are making tons of money. They just want more, understandably, because it is a business. That's the simple economics. If they thought they could raise the prices of drinks and get away with it, they would. It has nothing to do with smuggling.

 

I know for a fact that every cruise line LOSES revenue due to smuggling of alcohol. It is an indisputable fact.

 

And businesses are not in business to LOSE money. By eliminating smuggling or reducing it, revenue and profits increase.

 

Simple business economics, reduce costs, increase efficiencies, maximize profits.

 

It is indisputable, smuggling alcohol reduces revenue and profitability and that is reason alcohol is not permitted to be brought on board.

[scottbee]

Shorts in the MDR? No problem. If the head waiter tells you to go back to your room to put on pants - so be it. If he or she doesn't, how have you impacted anyone's vacation? Not at all.

 

By the same logic, the pool should be clothing optional. Yet we've seen how everyone here screams at the mere thought of the Bare Necessities cruises. Your actions do influence the enjoyment of other people by changing ambiance.

 

So I have to agree with a previous poster, If I go on a cruise line where there's a formal dress code, I expect people to follow it, because not doing so changes the ambiance for me.

[Lauderdalegal]

The issue is actually quite simple. If you are breaking the rules and impacting someone else's vacation - don't do it. If you are breaking the rules and NOT impacting someone else's vacation - do it at your own risk. This way it is simple.

 

Chair hog? Never. You are rude and inconsiderate and taking seats/deck chairs away form others thereby impacting their vacation.

 

Shorts in the MDR? No problem. If the head waiter tells you to go back to your room to put on pants - so be it. If he or she doesn't, how have you impacted anyone's vacation? Not at all.

 

Smuggling alcohol? No problem. If you get caught your alcohol will be confiscated (possibly disembarked but never heard of this). If you don't get caught, how have you imacted anyone's vacation? Not at all.

 

To get angry about how others dress and that they may have smuggled some alcohol is just plain silly. Do you get angry at every driver that passes you on the road exceeding the speed limit? If so, you probably have road rage and should not drive.

 

Where is the LIKE button!

 

To add to the dress in the dining room...I would rather have shorts and a

t shirt at my table than a child whose parents aren't 'controlling' them or anyone that chews with their mouth open, speaks with their mouth full, picks their teeth at the table etc.

[FreshOffTheBoat]

I don't even know why I read these threads

[Cruzface]

I know for a fact that every cruise line LOSES revenue due to smuggling of alcohol. It is an indisputable fact.

 

And businesses are not in business to LOSE money. By eliminating smuggling or reducing it, revenue and profits increase.

 

Simple business economics, reduce costs, increase efficiencies, maximize profits.

 

It is indisputable, smuggling alcohol reduces revenue and profitability and that is reason alcohol is not permitted to be brought on board.

 

I would bet that the smugglers pay for more drinks than anyone else on the ship and probably gamble more than the others too. The few drinks they are getting for free doesn't compare to the amount of money they are dropping in the casino and at the bars. The day RCI or Carnival says we need to raise drink prices because nobody paid for drinks on our cruise will never come. Is it against the cruise line rules? Yes. Should a non-drinker or a non-smuggler care? No.

[Cruzface]

Where is the LIKE button!

 

To add to the dress in the dining room...I would rather have shorts and a

t shirt at my table than a child whose parents aren't 'controlling' them or anyone that chews with their mouth open, speaks with their mouth full, picks their teeth at the table etc.

 

My worst nightmare of a table mate would be a really dressed up teetotaler chair hog!

[tulsacubfan]

The issue is actually quite simple. If you are breaking the rules and impacting someone else's vacation - don't do it. If you are breaking the rules and NOT impacting someone else's vacation - do it at your own risk. This way it is simple.

 

Chair hog? Never. You are rude and inconsiderate and taking seats/deck chairs away form others thereby impacting their vacation.

 

Shorts in the MDR? No problem. If the head waiter tells you to go back to your room to put on pants - so be it. If he or she doesn't, how have you impacted anyone's vacation? Not at all.

 

Smuggling alcohol? No problem. If you get caught your alcohol will be confiscated (possibly disembarked but never heard of this). If you don't get caught, how have you imacted anyone's vacation? Not at all.

 

To get angry about how others dress and that they may have smuggled some alcohol is just plain silly. Do you get angry at every driver that passes you on the road exceeding the speed limit? If so, you probably have road rage and should not drive.

 

So picking and choosing the rules you follow is okay? Do you teach your children this as well?

[Cruzface]

So picking and choosing the rules you follow is okay? Do you teach your children this as well?

 

Try to read more carefully. I never said I pick and choose which rules to follow. I only said I don't know how it impacts anyone else's vacation. Still don't.

[BeachChik]

Well this is not entirely true...When my wife makes the effort to fix her hair and buy and wear a nice evening dress for formal night...then sits next to a person or people who dont care about the rules and wear jeans or otherwise dont acknowledge the event...this is bothersome. Especially true in the fact that cruise line has built an amazing dinning room, dressed the waiters in formal clothing and are serving lobster and filet of beef..And some dont even care to make even a modest effort to engage in the festivities....This will always be a contention!! You cant force some to have a little class and respect.

People pick and choose what rule they want to follow....

 

This is one thing I will never understand. I didn't pay any attention to what others were wearing so I have no idea if they were dressed to the dress code. And really I could have cared less if they were in shorts or a tux. My one and only focus was the person I was traveling with.

 

IMO people spend too much time worrying what others are doing. And I don't understand the above comment at all. If others choose not to participate that is their choice. Why do you care? Focus on yourself and your party, don't worry about other people

[johneeo]

. Is it against the cruise line rules? Yes. Should a non-drinker or a non-smuggler care? No.

 

Fine.

 

Because of the revenues lost because of booze smugglers, you are OK to compensate that and pay more for the cost of your cruise?:eek:

 

Makes no sense to me, but if you are OK with that, pay more for your cruise.

 

No such thing as a free lunch, someone always gets the bill. And you and I get the bill for those smuggling booze.

 

Personally, I do not like paying for others.