Costa Concordia SINKING

[bermuda triangle]

The article(click on slide 7) says she can sink even further :confused:

 

Yes..very sad event in many ways.

[guernseyguy]

Also autopilot error

 

Or input....they went from a course of 298 to 278.....

[Globetotter]

Then the news are wrong here; but they will have a extra news here in about 1 hour with the latest...

But I'm sorry to say that all news here (papers and television) reports that it's confirmed that 3 are dead. Let's hope they are wrong this time!

 

Yes, unfortunatly you're right about 3 people being dead: two were french and one peruvian (crew member). Only the injured and missing ones were wrong in your news. About the 2 severely injured ones, one had gone through spinal surgery in Siena, he's a chef from Bangladesh. Let's hope everything went well. Didn't say anything about the other person.

Also, the black box has been found and the captain has been held for questioning in Grosseto.

[monicajay]

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: PLEASE, let the Accident Investigation teams do their jobs. DO NOT critisize Crew/ Company/ Passengers without proper knowledge of the accident. You have no authority, nor the knowledge to do so.

 

IN ANY evacuation during a serious accident, there is panic. This is unavoidable due to the law of masses. (Deckofficer should know this:rolleyes:)

 

Yours sincerly,

 

Despegue

Captain

Chairman TCAS ( Aviation and Maritime Safety)

 

Thank-you for your post. I hate how people want to start pointing fingers.

[bermuda triangle]

My thoughts and prayers go out to all of the passengers and crew of the Costa Concordia. What a terrible tragedy. It is so horribly to surreal to see these images.

 

I cannot understand why a massive ship like the Concordia is allowed to negotiate the shallow port area and does not anchor in the harbor.

 

I'm sure this approach has been accomplished successfully a myriad of times but, just looking at the pictures and seeing how treacherous the inner harbor area is leaves me questioning why the shipping line does not schedule their vessels to anchor in this harbor.

 

They hit a rock, were trying to go into port when they then hit a reef that was not marked on navigation maps. The captain thought there was enough clearance based on this misinformation.

[Shogun]

Ravenscroft Blue Boy

 

 

Thank you

 

 

Originally Posted by Shogun

Hi all,

 

It is very sad that people have died,

 

but thousands have been saved,

 

considering how much damage the ship has had done to it,

 

it did not sink, it did not roll over straight away, it stayed afloat for many hours,

 

the captain and one other have been held by the police this is normal

 

does not mean the captain has done anything wrong

 

the truth will come out in time,

 

yours Shogun

 

Well Said a voice of reason

 

 

yours Shogun

[caribill]

Knowing WHERE your lifeboat is would be useful information it seems as in musters of the past where you met at the spot you should head to if there are no other instructions.

 

 

Knowing where "your" lifeboat is located is of no use if that lifeboat cannot be used. (For example, there could be fire in the vacinity of "your" lifeboat.) Meeting inside allows a trained crew to lead paassengers to working lifeboats if the need occurs.

 

 

In almost all emergencies, there is no need to abandon ship. And in some cases, it can be hours before an emergency is resolved. Meeting inside avoids waiting for hours outside in what can be cold or stormy weather.

[STLPilot]

Or input....they went from a course of 298 to 278.....

Yip that too for sure! Although I'm sad about the accident and heart goes out to family of those lost, I'm sailing Wednesday on Serena, Concordia Class, same port and same direction ... and relieved to know it's a VERY VERY VERY likely chance that it was human error. And not a rock sticking out the center of the channel or the rudder losing direction.

[NJEMT65]

Link to Captain being arrested for Manslaughter.

Also says the ship was 2.5 miles off course. (I think being off course is a bit obvious)

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/14/world/europe/italy-cruise-deaths/index.html

[bahrain_not_dubai!]

I am not a legal expert, but from my knowledge if your involved in disasters, etc. in Italy you are arrested and chraged.

 

Anyone in F1 rememmber the Ayrton Senna legal mess when the driver died during a race and his team owner was charged with manslaughter ?

[Krazy Kruizers]

I just heard about the captain being arrested -- on CNN.

 

What a horrible tragedy for everyone.

[tntornadox]

Obviously the vessel was off-course, but according to her track she had been off-course for some time. I will not begin pointing fingers at anyone... it could have been human error as much as it could have been a mechanical problem.

 

It seems to me Concordia was having some electrical issues throughout the event, just look at the photos... no balcony lights are on, no cabin lights are on. Then later, it seems there is a total power failure and only emergency lighting is on (just navigational, some top side lighting and lighting along the promenade/lifeboat stations). It may have not contributed to the incident in anyway, but I thought I would point it out nonetheless, we don't know what really happened.

 

Also, here is an image from this MSNBC article showing the Italian Coast Guard recovering the 'black box':

 

Link: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45997416/ns/today-travel/?fb_ref=.TxHT_UdOiHE.like&fb_source=profile_oneline#.TxHY2eTTSqy

[bigbadtrucker]

I got a feeling Carnival is going to pay on this one I hope it does not affect the other brands they own Costa is owned by Carnival corp.

I read on a news site they did not have an evacuation drill yet on that cruise? I always thought those were done before leaving port.

[RZ3]

They hit a rock, were trying to go into port when they then hit a reef that was not marked on navigation maps. The captain thought there was enough clearance based on this misinformation.

 

I don't think the order of events has been established. They definitely hit something. The question is whether they hit it before or after they went off course. They weren't supposed to dock there so the question is why were they so close to the island? Was it because they had an issue out in deeper water or was the close proximity a mistake which resulted in the hull breach?

 

Did the intentional grounding aid or hinder rescue activities? We don't know and won't know with any certainty because we don't have access to the relevant data. I am surprised when I read from self professed professionals who openly speculate on things like this as if they had an authoritative voice when they have absolutely no more information than anyone else on these forums (FYI, that was not directed at you, bermuda_triange ;))

[lake5298]

Prosecutor's Office of province of Grossetto, Tuscany, initiated a case over ship wreckage causing the death of people. Schettino was questioned soon afterwards he got to the island Giglio. He had to reconstruct the events and explain the decisions and actions that the crew made during the accident. All were interested how the largest cruise ship in Italy got so close to the coast of island Giglio.

 

At the questioning Captain of Costa Concordia claimed that he had not gone away from the prescribed course. According to information from sources of the Italian investigative agencies, the liner had a large hole in the bottom a few miles from Giglio and then changed the course and directed to the island.

 

"On our way we came across a rocky ridge which has not been marked (on the map). According to the navigation map it should have been deep enough for our liner to be able to pass there," Schettino said after the questioning to TV Tgcom24.

[STLPilot]

Obviously the vessel was off-course, but according to her track she had been off-course for some time. I will not begin pointing fingers at anyone... it could have been human error as much as it could have been a mechanical problem.

 

It seems to me Concordia was having some electrical issues throughout the event, just look at the photos... no balcony lights are on, no cabin lights are on. Then later, it seems there is a total power failure and only emergency lighting is on (just navigational, some top side lighting and lighting along the promenade/lifeboat stations). It may have not contributed to the incident in anyway, but I thought I would point it out nonetheless, we don't know what really happened.

If was mechanical problem, to lose engine and rudder, well that's going to be very rare. If you lose rudder, kill and reverse engine. If you lose engine, it's not going to drift full steam for 8 miles, drop anchor. So at that distance ... mechanical is highly unlikely, because alarm systems are one of the most redundant on the boat, with plenty of battery backup.

[Daisyloo]

I quite like the way they do it on Princess actually and am a bit apprehensive about RCI :confused: since apparently they do it differently and assemble folks out on the decks. On Princess, you grab your life jacket from your cabin and head to the interior room where your muster station is. On our first cruise, our station was the chapel, another time it was the casino and yet another was one of the theaters as outlined on the back of the cabin door. This makes sense to me as especially in inclement weather, you don't want panicked pax wandering around on a slippery deck and where you have a lot of elderly or disabled, it's just safer both for the drill and in case of an actual emergency. Princess takes the drills quite seriously and the cabins are indeed checked after the alarms have sounded to make sure that everyone attends although they do not do a roll call at the muster station. The awful situation with the Costa ship just proves the wisdom of lines who do muster immediately upon leaving port rather than waiting 24 hours.

 

Thanks for the info Kerry. I feel better about it now, and absolutely will be paying attention and be taking the muster seriously. (I always listen to the safety briefing on airplanes too)

Pat

[KatetheWanderer]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/14/world/europe/italy-cruise-deaths/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[Aplmac]

Lastly, given the size of this ship and the fuel carried, this is a real ecological disaster.

I hope that after all of the human concerns are addressed, that Carnival Corp will clean this mess up.

One poster said,

" If the ship is declared a total loss then it is likely that she will be left in place,

the fuel and any other salvagable items will be removed and she will be left to rust away."

I am not sure of his/her qualifications to say this, but I seriously doubt that this will be the case

given the issues of the environment and the safety of future curiosity seekers.

ANTILLES ran aground off the North coast of Mustique, in the idyllically-beautiful Grenadines

and was left to rust there for some decades after.

 

I no longer see any trace of the eyesore hulk (via Google Earth)

and therefore assume she was eventually cut up and carted off for scrap iron

her copper and bronze fittings having been long ago salvaged by various parties

who boarded and started removing it.

[KathyPet]

I admit that I have spent most of the muster drill's joking with the people around me about how unattractive the life jackets are. No More! Next time I cruise I will be paying strict attention to what I am being told. THink I might also start to carry a small flashlight with me and put it right next to my life jacket in the cabin.

[Wendy The Wanderer]

Explain what you mean? It is rather simple, a foreign flagged ship is not allowed to sail from one US port to another. Crewing requirements are much more stringent for US flagged ships.

 

I'm going with the guy who said this is hogwash. How can you back up those claims? I've never sailed on a US-based cruise ship (obviously), and I have always been impressed with the professionalism of the crew, and the seriousness with which they take their safety responsibilities.

[EVALUATOR]

If was mechanical problem, to lose engine and rudder, well that's going to be very rare. If you lose rudder, kill and reverse engine. If you lose engine, it's not going to drift full steam for 8 miles, drop anchor. So at that distance ... mechanical is highly unlikely, because alarm systems are one of the most redundant on the boat, with plenty of battery backup.

 

For a ship that had navigational problems,

 

it was to make several turns, and then after passing between the two islands where the SeaNews Turkey article says they struck the rock,

 

proceed north,

 

and then do a U turn and head back south facing the light house???

 

Also, if you look at the islands it passed between, they seem to be less than 200 feet apart, and the ship was 118 feet wide.

[philipsw285]

when i 1st read about the muster drill i thought there was something wrong some channels were saying it was on the 1st day of a weeks cruise and others were saying it was on the last night of the cruise. When you look up the ships schedule it is tacking passengers on at each port so surely it should be doing the muster and life boat drill every day???

[foxesden1]

Are you talking about the jones act? That has nothing to do with the crew being American or not. IMPO that comes down to dollars and cents. Less pay, no labor American labour laws to follow...

[Ephraim]

What a deeply offensive, patronising and condescending thing to write. As you observe, there are no US flagged cruise ships - so how could you possibly know?

 

I don't recall the US crew of the Morro Castle covering themselves in glory!

 

A wise man told me don't argue with fools. Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who.

 

Let's see... SS General Slocum, SS Eastland... I have yet to see that the flag on the back of the ship actually manage to get panic to stop.