Tonka's Skipper Posted January 12, 2015 #7451 Share Posted January 12, 2015 It is like the old story, no one wants to see how the sausage is made! or in this case.... the folks involved don't want to show to much detail in how it is taken apart! AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luisrp Posted January 13, 2015 #7452 Share Posted January 13, 2015 A ship built 10 years ago is not likely to have any asbestos on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted January 13, 2015 #7453 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Actually a cruise ship is a very complicated machine and while the passageway tiles or other areas where the passengers are would not likely have asbestos, lots of machinery, electrical and others parts do have asbestos, even today Just the nature of the beast! AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted January 14, 2015 #7454 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Three years have passed now. Found a few links to share. This one from a couple that survived: https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25956976/costa-concordia-girl-still-haunts/ This one doesn't have much of an article but does have a close up pix of Concordia. http://www.dw.de/costa-concordia-to-be-dismantled-in-genoa/av-18187771 This one just has some info about how people feel about cruising 3 yrs later. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-2907993/One-travellers-believe-ships-built-impress-following-Costa-Concordia.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luisrp Posted January 14, 2015 #7455 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Actually a cruise ship is a very complicated machine and while the passageway tiles or other areas where the passengers are would not likely have asbestos' date=' lots of machinery, electrical and others parts do have asbestos, even today Just the nature of the beast! AKK[/quote'] Still, very very low chance. Asbestos has not been used as insulation or as building material for decades. In industrial environments, you are not going to find it in facilities built in the last 20 years. On a cruise ship built 10 years ago in Italy which banned asbestos in 1992 is even less likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Folk Singer Posted January 14, 2015 #7456 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Thank you for the links and thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted January 21, 2015 #7457 Share Posted January 21, 2015 SB ... Thanks for the links, i notice in the video they still say the ship is in the port of Genoa! despite the fact that it has not arrived there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted January 22, 2015 #7458 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Still, very very low chance. Asbestos has not been used as insulation or as building material for decades. In industrial environments, you are not going to find it in facilities built in the last 20 years. On a cruise ship built 10 years ago in Italy which banned asbestos in 1992 is even less likely. Well, to each their opinion and mine is based on experience. AKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted January 22, 2015 #7459 Share Posted January 22, 2015 They turn off the camera while they remove the asbestos so the Greenies don't go nuts..... Hey Guys I was just kidding. It was a joke. I love to poke the "Greenies" in the eye. It keeps them on their toes..... LOL John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinfool Posted January 22, 2015 #7460 Share Posted January 22, 2015 As far as I can tell, this is the latest offering from Public Broadcasting (BPS) in the US. Air Date Jan. 15, 2015 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/sunken-ship-rescue.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted January 22, 2015 #7461 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Google Earth http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2015/01/costa-concordia-now-visible-genoa-italy.html Closing comments... http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2015/01/22/concordia-prosecutor-unsparing-in-closing-remarks_7b9e7007-c8b0-4f13-b33d-e7492a23f581.html Was surprised to see closing comments. Feel like I've missed something the last few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted January 22, 2015 #7462 Share Posted January 22, 2015 As far as I can tell, this is the latest offering from Public Broadcasting (BPS) in the US. Air Date Jan. 15, 2015 http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/sunken-ship-rescue.html Thanks for sharing. I'll have to watch when I have time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidari Posted January 23, 2015 #7463 Share Posted January 23, 2015 hearings are scheduled for 39 civil attorneys defending passengers of the Concordia who have filed civil suits for damages against Costa Cruises and Schettino. I wonder how many more days and weeks or even months that will take! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted January 23, 2015 #7464 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Regardless of whether there is asbestos on the ship, for the most part, any ship scrapping is a hazmat environment, even without the ship having been on the bottom for over a year. A lot of materials used in ship construction are toxic, and the removal of which is why most countries do not do ship scrapping, as the remediation measures raise the cost too much. Add in the rotted food, the deceased, the waste in the sewage tanks, and the residual oil in tanks that has reacted with sea water, you have a toxic stew that has coated all surfaces of the ship. This makes everything a toxic substance, unless you wash it all before removing, and then the water becomes toxic. And hazmat remediation contractors don't like to advertise their operations, because there will always be incidents of people violating laws and regulations regarding disposal and personal protection, and by limiting publicity, they limit legal liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka's Skipper Posted January 24, 2015 #7465 Share Posted January 24, 2015 regardless of whether there is asbestos on the ship, for the most part, any ship scrapping is a hazmat environment, even without the ship having been on the bottom for over a year. A lot of materials used in ship construction are toxic, and the removal of which is why most countries do not do ship scrapping, as the remediation measures raise the cost too much. Add in the rotted food, the deceased, the waste in the sewage tanks, and the residual oil in tanks that has reacted with sea water, you have a toxic stew that has coated all surfaces of the ship. This makes everything a toxic substance, unless you wash it all before removing, and then the water becomes toxic. And hazmat remediation contractors don't like to advertise their operations, because there will always be incidents of people violating laws and regulations regarding disposal and personal protection, and by limiting publicity, they limit legal liability. bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted January 26, 2015 #7466 Share Posted January 26, 2015 An "able idiot" and "incautious optimist" used to describe Schettino. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/prosecutors-costa-concordia-captain-26-years-article-1.2091773 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTH Posted January 30, 2015 #7467 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Giglio Island sues Costa Cruises for 'hundreds of millions': http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/island-where-costa-concordia-sank-sues-for-hundreds-of-millions/ar-AA8LA9X?ocid=LENDHP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganMars Posted February 9, 2015 #7468 Share Posted February 9, 2015 http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/09/world/schetttino-trial-closing-arguments/ Closing Arguments http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/international/europe/2015/02/survivors_ask_will_justice_be_done_for_concordia_shipwreck Will Justice be Done? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/08/verdict-costa-concordia-captain-schettino-due Verdict Expected This Week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted February 10, 2015 #7469 Share Posted February 10, 2015 MM, here's a bit of an update from yesterday's proceeding. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/costa-concordia-trial-judges-take-stage-decide-captains-fate-n303551 The video showing the Captain casually standing around will hopefully show the judges just how little he did to help others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 10, 2015 #7470 Share Posted February 10, 2015 MM, here's a bit of an update from yesterday's proceeding. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/costa-concordia-trial-judges-take-stage-decide-captains-fate-n303551 The video showing the Captain casually standing around will hopefully show the judges just how little he did to help others. SB, I couldn't get any sound on that, was there narrative? I did see one person circled, I'm assuming that was Schettino. My question still remains, what was he doing down on the promenade deck, when he should have still been on the bridge co-ordinating the emergency and the abandonment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeBeach Posted February 10, 2015 #7471 Share Posted February 10, 2015 SB, I couldn't get any sound on that, was there narrative? I did see one person circled, I'm assuming that was Schettino. My question still remains, what was he doing down on the promenade deck, when he should have still been on the bridge co-ordinating the emergency and the abandonment? Chengkp, not sure who recorded the video but it had no sound. Yes, the circle indicated the Captain. I'm not sure who recorded it but it did clearly show the Captain doing nothing. If I recall correctly from early on, after the alarm was sounded the Captain didn't spend much more time on the bridge. I believe it was stated back then that he and the woman went back to his suite to retrieve some items which she carried off the ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted February 10, 2015 #7472 Share Posted February 10, 2015 SB, I couldn't get any sound on that, was there narrative? I did see one person circled, I'm assuming that was Schettino. My question still remains, what was he doing down on the promenade deck, when he should have still been on the bridge co-ordinating the emergency and the abandonment? Cheng Come on, you know the answer to your question. He was personally testing the abandon ship plan to make sure it worked before the passengers tried it. LOL John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 10, 2015 #7473 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Cheng Come on, you know the answer to your question. He was personally testing the abandon ship plan to make sure it worked before the passengers tried it. LOL John Uni; As our legal representative, I've read that the civil plaintiffs read closing arguments in this case, how does the Italian legal system handle civil vs. criminal cases. Does a verdict in this case preclude any civil action against Costa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uniall Posted February 10, 2015 #7474 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Uni; As our legal representative, I've read that the civil plaintiffs read closing arguments in this case, how does the Italian legal system handle civil vs. criminal cases. Does a verdict in this case preclude any civil action against Costa? No the Civil Case is separate from the criminal. Also, as I've posted before, there can be total "do overs" ordered by the appeals court from either a Not Guilty or Guilty verdict. This is not uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chengkp75 Posted February 10, 2015 #7475 Share Posted February 10, 2015 No the Civil Case is separate from the criminal. Also, as I've posted before, there can be total "do overs" ordered by the appeals court from either a Not Guilty or Guilty verdict. This is not uncommon. That's kind of what I thought, but everyone is saying, "can justice be done if Schettino is the only one convicted?". I don't think anyone at Costa is liable for criminal charges (even some of those already plea bargained), but they definitely are going to have to pony up some Benjamin's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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