Interesting Perspective -- 12 year old

[Skipper's Mom]

Just off the Westerdam where, on the second formal night, a couple was turned away at the dining room door for inappropriate dress -- tee shirt and shorts. They weren't phased a bit and just shrugged and said they'd go "upstairs" (Lido). I complimented the staff because it's not always fun to be the "bad guys".

[styles27]

I can assure you that the threesome my grandson was asking about was not your father. I would have been able to explain his travelling clothes alot easier than the clothes my grandson was questioning.

 

:confused:

In your opening post you stated that they were wearing "sleeveless t-shirts and jeans".

 

I honestly don't understand why you found this so hard to "explain" to your grandson.

 

It's not like they showed up in a g-string and pasties.:eek: Now THAT would have been hard to explain.

 

A valuable explanation would have been, "Johnny, it isn't polite to judge people".

[momatibm]

:confused:

In your opening post you stated that they were wearing "sleeveless t-shirts and jeans".

 

I honestly don't understand why you found this so hard to "explain" to your grandson.

 

It's not like they showed up in a g-string and pasties.:eek: Now THAT would have been hard to explain.

 

A valuable explanation would have been, "Johnny, it isn't polite to judge people".

 

The 'sleeveless t-shirts and jeans' was a polite comment -- the actual description should have been holey, ripped, low-slung, bra showing - belly baring ass showing clothes -- that he has a right to judge.

[RuthC]

The 'sleeveless t-shirts and jeans' was a polite comment -- the actual description should have been holey, ripped, low-slung, bra showing - belly baring ass showing clothes -- that he has a right to judge.

So, an excellent explanation would be "Some people don't know any better".

[momatibm]

So, an excellent explanation would be "Some people don't know any better".

 

I tried to avoid having to be so explicit about the dress, but decided I had to come out and say what it was. since I told him that it was acceptable if they didn't eat in the dining room and should probably have used the Lido or Seaview bar. I didn't think I had said anything wrong.

[Jo-Bob]

To lighten the mood a little, I somehow found my way to a website the other day featuring photos of 'tattoos gone wrong.' Good grief, everything you can think of, and more. And in very questionable (for my taste) places....across foreheads, down the sides of a faces, ex-girlfriend/boyfriend names with the word 'void' tattooed over the top. Many of the photos were obviously 'mug shots.'

 

But the best one? Across the chest of one unfortunate fellow were the words, "No Regrets"....in large black letters spelled, "No Regerts."

 

Poor guy, but did make me laugh:D Apologizing for the drift.

[gelo7]

I tried to avoid having to be so explicit about the dress, but decided I had to come out and say what it was. since I told him that it was acceptable if they didn't eat in the dining room and should probably have used the Lido or Seaview bar. I didn't think I had said anything wrong.

No, you didn't....

[RuthC]

I tried to avoid having to be so explicit about the dress, but decided I had to come out and say what it was. since I told him that it was acceptable if they didn't eat in the dining room and should probably have used the Lido or Seaview bar. I didn't think I had said anything wrong.

You didn't. When people go out for an evening looking as if they just walked off a People of WalMart photoshoot, they are going to be noticed for all the wrong reasons.

[PeaceLoveCruise]

Wow! Just WOW! This whole thread goes against what my wonderful Grandmother and my phenomenal parents have taught me: "Live and let live!"

 

Best to pass that along, I believe. While rules should definitely be followed, sometimes there are extenuating circumstances or a lack of simple knowledge.

 

There will always be someone dressing, acting, looking, working... better or worse than you if you're looking for it.

 

THAT is the lesson to be taught here, in my opinion.

 

 

PeaceLoveCruise

[styles27]

Wow! Just WOW! This whole thread goes against what my wonderful Grandmother and my phenomenal parents have taught me: "Live and let live!"

 

Best to pass that along, I believe. While rules should definitely be followed, sometimes there are extenuating circumstances or a lack of simple knowledge.

 

There will always be someone dressing, acting, looking, working... better or worse than you if you're looking for it.

 

THAT is the lesson to be taught here, in my opinion.

 

 

PeaceLoveCruise

 

Finally another voice of reason...thank you!

[Seago2]

Wow! Just WOW! This whole thread goes against what my wonderful Grandmother and my phenomenal parents have taught me: "Live and let live!"

 

Best to pass that along, I believe. While rules should definitely be followed, sometimes there are extenuating circumstances or a lack of simple knowledge.

 

There will always be someone dressing, acting, looking, working... better or worse than you if you're looking for it.

 

THAT is the lesson to be taught here, in my opinion.

 

 

PeaceLoveCruise

 

I totally agree but good luck sharing that sentiment with the usual crowd. Judging people, commenting on their clothing, praising/condemning based on appearance and then hiding behind "suggested dress" and old timey phrasing is the order of the day.

 

My lesson here is one I thought I had already learned. Stay far the (bleep) away from dress code threads. The title sucked me in and then the dubiousness of the post got me riled up. I am not passive aggressive by nature and am pretty direct with my postings. The key is to stay off of the topics that drive me nuts :cool:.

[Boatdrill]

 

Apparently the younger crowd has figured out the dress code.

 

You may be right. I was on the Nieuw Amsterdam in January, and have to say the younger generation was the best dressed crowd I've ever seen on a ship. Teenagers to early 20's (male and female) ...always nicely dressed, and on formal night, they were perfectly dressed for the occasion. It was very refreshing, and added to the classy ambiance of the NA.

 

(round of applause for them)

[celle]

Wow! Just WOW! This whole thread goes against what my wonderful Grandmother and my phenomenal parents have taught me: "Live and let live!"

 

Best to pass that along, I believe. While rules should definitely be followed, sometimes there are extenuating circumstances or a lack of simple knowledge.

 

There will always be someone dressing, acting, looking, working... better or worse than you if you're looking for it.

 

THAT is the lesson to be taught here, in my opinion.

 

 

PeaceLoveCruise

 

I agree with you.

 

However, I think that the child mentioned in the first post was a well-brought-up child, who had been told that it was appropriate to dress nicely for formal night.

 

His question was probably asked in all innocence, and not in a judgmental fashion, and he probably received an appropriate explanation from his family.

 

I hope I'm right, and he does not prove to be an early recruit to the "fashion police". ;)

[Boatdrill]

You were sure to make mention that all the bankers who ran the financial world into the ground were always well dressed, right?

 

That the members of the 3rd Reich loved to dress to the 9s too, right?

 

That rich white guys in suits who were the ones whose decisions resulted in the Deep Water Horizon event, right?

 

 

Wow..how do you know all these people ?

[Boatdrill]

I tried to avoid having to be so explicit about the dress, but decided I had to come out and say what it was. since I told him that it was acceptable if they didn't eat in the dining room and should probably have used the Lido or Seaview bar. I didn't think I had said anything wrong.

 

You didn't say anything wrong, and you handled it beautifully.

[Bakincakes]

:)Nice to know that a 12 year old has more common sense than some adults do.

 

There may be hope for society yet.:)

[DizzyDallasDi]

One Thanksgiving, my then 12 year old son came into the kitchen wearing a dress shirt, dress pants and his snazzy loafers....carrying a tie that he asked his stepdad to help him tie. Now, we're not a "dress for Thanksgiving dinner" family....the rest of us were in jeans, t-shirts and sneakers. But, my little Eric wanted to dress up for this special dinner. How precious he was. :)

 

Fast forward to his teen years. I was lucky if he came to dinner with his boxers completely covered. :eek: He is now in his late 20s and has gone full circle. He's back to wanting to look nice for special occasions and cleans up really well.

 

What's my point, you may ask. Enjoy your sharp dressed young man while you can. It may be a few years before he surfaces again. :D

[Himself]

We just returned from the Eurodam -- 31 Mar - 7 April. We had our 12 year old Grandson with us. Here is one of his comments -- we were sitting in the Ocean bar having cocktails (he had a Sprite Zero) before dinner on the second formal night. He was in his Tux( which he had before the cruise, not bought for the cruise). He made his mother move from my side so he could ask me a question without being overheard.

 

He wanted to know why the people next to us were dressed the way they were for formal night (sleeveless t-shirts, jeans, and a little less than appropriate for the the lady -- I hadn't noticed until he mentioned it)- I told him I would explain later. Which I did when we were in a less public place. But he didn't think they should have been dressed like that.

 

Now this is the kid who wore a tie to dinner every night, not a jacket but a tie. Apparently the younger crowd has figured out the dress code.

 

The boy asked a good question. He "gets it" and a few adults don't get it.

[iancal]

Does anyone think it realistic that those who choose to eat in the Lido in formal evening should actually dress up when their purpose for going to the Lido in the first place is not to dress up.

 

Does anyone really think that HAL's request for dress formal in all public areas of the ship while the Lido remains casual is just a little bit contradictory???? Can someone explain exactly how this can be accomplished given the layout of a cruise ship?

 

The answer is choice. It is the same reason why the Lido is so crowded on formal evenings.

 

I guess I am not an elitest at heart.

 

And good to know he had a Sprite Zero and not a vodka tonic.

[startwin]

Why does everyone assume that if you're not dressed formally, then you're dressed like Walmart trash? There is an in-between, you know, for people who are not going to the MDR on formal night. Most people I see in public areas are tidily dressed - unless they are on their way to or from the gym.

 

To get to the Lido buffet on formal night you have to pass through public areas, and you are allowed to stop and have a drink at the bar, or gamble in the casino, along the way. Therefore, there will be a bit of a variety in how people are dressed. It doesn't make them any less of a person.

[iancal]

Madoff was a very snazzy dresser. Do clothes make the man? Maybe some of his victims should answer that question.

[DizzyDallasDi]

Madoff was a very snazzy dresser. Do clothes make the man? Maybe some of his victims should answer that question.

 

At least he didn't ruin the ambience of the evening since he was dressed according to code. ;)

[iancal]

No, but while enjoying that ambiance with him, you may have been persuaded to place all of your retirement funds in with one of his investment firms.

 

And that would have been goodbye cruising, hello hotdogs and Kraft dinner.