When Referring to HAL?

[Oceanwench]

And FLL is an airport code ... not a city. :)

 

That bugs me more than the use of Holland for Holland America.

[Boytjie]

Not as funny as that link's pronunciation! ;)

 

OK, I see the issue... I did not notice that you could scroll to Daan, a Dutch speaker! I only saw English and selected one of them and they really screw it up.

 

Most English speakers would not get close to how you pronounce it in the Netherlands, and I did not think my attempt was that bad! 'Zay'derdam and Z'eye'derdam are fairly decent approximations, IMHO. :)

 

Tot kijk. ;)

[Boytjie]

And FLL is an airport code ... not a city. :)

 

That bugs me more than the use of Holland for Holland America.

 

It all depends on where you use it :) Wehn posting on CC I will use HAL and when chatting with friends via text we will use FLL for Ft. Lauderdale as it is much shorter. Just like I don't type out <smile> but use :)

[bobalink]

The closest an American is going to come to pronounce Zuiderdam the way the Dutch do, is Zeyederdam, as in "eye"

 

Z "eye" der dam ???

 

That is how it sounded when I was speaking with a HAL rep at the time I booked the reservation.

[cp556]

The UI is tricky to pronounce, it's sounds like the OU in "shout" more than anything else but that's not quite it, either.

 

If you start this link, type in Zuiderdam, klik on Select a voice and choose Dutch (NL) - Max (he is the best, Jasmijn works as well) and then click on "Say it!" you can hear the pronounciation.

 

http://www.acapela-group.com/text-to-speech-interactive-demo.html

 

 

Loved the link! But now I'm in trouble: I've always said RINE-dam, and the voice says I should be saying REEN-dam .... :confused:

[serendipity1499]

And FLL is an airport code ... not a city. :)

 

That bugs me more than the use of Holland for Holland America.

 

Hey Oceanwench, nice to see you.. But please don't get bugged...:) Actually there are many airport codes which are also city codes & I believe that FLL is both the airport & the city code...The Jet blue flash card site of city codes, indicates that FLL is for both the city Fort Lauderdale, Fl & for Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport..

Airport..http://www.flashcardmachine.com/jetblue-city-codes.html

Airport codes were established by IATA sometime in the 50's..Can't remember when, but when I was first hired in the International Airline business, I was required to memorize both airport codes & city codes in order to pass my test for employment..

We had books of those codes..In many instances the Airport code & the city code was & still is exactly the same..Such as EWR for Newark Airport & also for the city of Newark in New Jersey..BRU for Brussels Airport & also for the city..We were required to memorize these codes, in order to make our teletype messages to our offices abroad & to other airline offices shorter.. Yes we Teletyped then...Hmm.. believe I was 10 when I first started in the airline business...BTW I'm selling the Brooklyn Bridge- cheap!..:DLOL

 

This is a quote from the OAG aka Official Airline Guide.. Quote Three letter codes are used throughout the travel industry and indicate a place, city or airport, such as LAX for Los Angeles and JFK for John F Kennedy airport ...The three letter codes that we saw before were both city codes and airport codes; MAD indicates the city of Madrid and its International airport. In the examples above LCY and LGA are airport codes. Unquote

http://www.oag.com/oag/website/com/en/home/travel+magazine/executive+travel/travel+tips/2++codes+-+flight+numbers/city+and+airport+codes

Scrolling down & scanning the main pg on this site, will give you a better idea of both airport/city codes, sometimes different but many times exactly the same..

So please don't get annoyed when I use FLL for both the city or airport, but will promise to call HAL..Holland America;)..

 

Cheers...:)Betty

[lizzies_mom]

When we were on the Ryndam, we always heard "Rine-dam."

[Copper10-8]

Z "eye" der dam ???

 

That is how it sounded when I was speaking with a HAL rep at the time I booked the reservation.

 

Yeah, but me thinks that HAL rep wasn't Dutch;) Z'eye"derdam is the best thing English-speakers can do because, as has been discussed by the Dutch lady and the Afrikaner;) in this thread, it's just about impossible to pronounce the Dutch "ui" (which, btw, actually means "onion" in Dutch;)) unless you're a Dutch speaker

Loved the link! But now I'm in trouble: I've always said RINE-dam, and the voice says I should be saying REEN-dam .... :confused:

 

It is pronounced "Rhine-dam" in Dutch so you're good to go!

Here's the rest of the fleet:

Prinsendam "Princen-dahm" as in "Prince" (dahm instead of damn)

Statendam "St-ah-ten-dahm" as in "say Aah"

Maasdam "Maahs-dahm" as in "say Ahh"

Ryndam "Rhine-dahm" as in wine

Veendam "Vain-dahm" as in "hey"

Rotterdam "Rott-ehr-dahm" as in Rotweiler

Amsterdam "Ahm-ster-dahm"

Volendam "Vohl-en-dahm" as in "Foal"

Zaandam "Zahn-dahm" as in "say Aah"

Zuiderdam "Z eye-der-dahm"

Oosterdam "Oast-ehr-dahm" as in Toast but drop the "T"

Westerdam "West-ehr-dahm"

Noordam "Nore-dahm" as in “More”

Eurodam "Uh-row-dahm" as in "Uhhh"

Nieuw Amsterdam "Kneew Ahm-ster-dahm", as in “neat” but drop the “T” and replace it with a soft "w"

[Copper10-8]

Hey Oceanwench, nice to see you.. But please don't get bugged...:) Actually there are many airport codes which are also city codes & I believe that FLL is both the airport & the city code...The Jet blue flash card site of city codes, indicates that FLL is for both the city Fort Lauderdale, Fl & for Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport..

 

Airport..http://www.flashcardmachine.com/jetblue-city-codes.html

 

Airport codes were established by IATA sometime in the 50's..Can't remember when, but when I was first hired in the International Airline business, I was required to memorize both airport codes & city codes in order to pass my test for employment..

 

We had books of those codes..In many instances the Airport code & the city code was & still is exactly the same..Such as EWR for Newark Airport & also for the city of Newark in New Jersey..BRU for Brussels Airport & also for the city..We were required to memorize these codes, in order to make our teletype messages to our offices abroad & to other airline offices shorter.. Yes we Teletyped then...Hmm.. believe I was 10 when I first started in the airline business...BTW I'm selling the Brooklyn Bridge- cheap!..:DLOL

 

 

This is a quote from the OAG aka Official Airline Guide.. Quote Three letter codes are used throughout the travel industry and indicate a place, city or airport, such as LAX for Los Angeles and JFK for John F Kennedy airport ...The three letter codes that we saw before were both city codes and airport codes; MAD indicates the city of Madrid and its International airport. In the examples above LCY and LGA are airport codes. Unquote

http://www.oag.com/oag/website/com/en/home/travel+magazine/executive+travel/travel+tips/2++codes+-+flight+numbers/city+and+airport+codes

 

Scrolling down & scanning the main pg on this site, will give you a better idea of both airport/city codes, sometimes different but many times exactly the same..

 

So please don't get annoyed when I use FLL for both the city or airport, but will promise to call HAL..Holland America;)..

 

Cheers...:)Betty

 

Some are easy Betty: JFK, LAX, MIA, SFO, SAN, LHR, etc. but the ones that always used to get me when working pt for America West as a ramp monkey were Kansas City, Orlando, Vancouver, etc;).

[fleckle]

..... Actually there are many airport codes which are also city codes ............

So please don't get annoyed when I use FLL for both the city or airport, but will promise to call HAL..Holland America;).

Yes, it is very common to use the same code for both the airport and the surrounding area. Can't imagine why anyone would get annoyed, but please don't let it bother you. Maybe someone was just having a bad day.

 

When a friend sent a message saying he will be visiting JAX next week, we did not think he was telling us that he is planning to spend the week at the airport. ;)

 

HAL is commonly used for Holland America, as is X for Celebrity.

 

There were probably also some who insisted on writing out Union of Soviet Socialist Republics each time instead of USSR. :D

 

We all know that what is really annoying is when people won't even bother to write out United States of America but just use USA. :rolleyes:

[Randyk47]

I call it Holland America when talking with people with little or no cruise experience. When talking with experienced cruisers, particularly Holland America cruisers, I often shorten it to HAL. I don't shorten ship names.

[PRWeezer]

Some are easy Betty: JFK, LAX, MIA, SFO, SAN, LHR, etc. but the ones that always used to get me when working pt for America West as a ramp monkey were Kansas City, Orlando, Vancouver, etc;).

 

As mentioned earlier, my husband is an airline guy & speaks in airport code. It has taken me a while too to get all the Canadian ones down...YYZ vs YVR vs YUL (all lovely places). And sometimes I get a code confused by my own reference. For example St. Lucia is UVF...but I think of it as UVA/UVB only because when we flew there our only checked bag was a small one that only contained multiple bottles/spray cans of sunscreen. :cool:

 

As said I have no issue w FLL. My profile says I'm from ATL. I don't live at the airport, but on some days, MrWeezer does.

 

I don't always follow a code with multiple-airport cities. I would say Chicago (not ORD or MDW) or DC (not DCA/IAD/BWI) or New York/NYC in type (fly more LGA than JFK) unless I was giving someone my flight schedule for planning/pickup purposes. :)

 

PS serendipity1499 thanks for the Jet Blue flashcard link...that was fun!

[3rdGenCunarder]

Hey Oceanwench, nice to see you.. But please don't get bugged...:) Actually there are many airport codes which are also city codes & I believe that FLL is both the airport & the city code...The Jet blue flash card site of city codes, indicates that FLL is for both the city Fort Lauderdale, Fl & for Ft. Lauderdale-Hollywood Airport..

 

Airport..http://www.flashcardmachine.com/jetblue-city-codes.html

 

Airport codes were established by IATA sometime in the 50's..Can't remember when, but when I was first hired in the International Airline business, I was required to memorize both airport codes & city codes in order to pass my test for employment..

 

We had books of those codes..In many instances the Airport code & the city code was & still is exactly the same..Such as EWR for Newark Airport & also for the city of Newark in New Jersey..BRU for Brussels Airport & also for the city..We were required to memorize these codes, in order to make our teletype messages to our offices abroad & to other airline offices shorter.. Yes we Teletyped then...Hmm.. believe I was 10 when I first started in the airline business...BTW I'm selling the Brooklyn Bridge- cheap!..:DLOL

 

 

This is a quote from the OAG aka Official Airline Guide.. Quote Three letter codes are used throughout the travel industry and indicate a place, city or airport, such as LAX for Los Angeles and JFK for John F Kennedy airport ...The three letter codes that we saw before were both city codes and airport codes; MAD indicates the city of Madrid and its International airport. In the examples above LCY and LGA are airport codes. Unquote

http://www.oag.com/oag/website/com/en/home/travel+magazine/executive+travel/travel+tips/2++codes+-+flight+numbers/city+and+airport+codes

 

Scrolling down & scanning the main pg on this site, will give you a better idea of both airport/city codes, sometimes different but many times exactly the same..

 

So please don't get annoyed when I use FLL for both the city or airport, but will promise to call HAL..Holland America;)..

 

Cheers...:)Betty

 

Is it true that there are no US commercial airport codes beginning with N? I remember asking why Newark is EWR and Norfolk is ORF, and somebody told me the N's were all military.

[serendipity1499]

Some are easy Betty: JFK, LAX, MIA, SFO, SAN, LHR, etc. but the ones that always used to get me when working pt for America West as a ramp monkey were Kansas City, Orlando, Vancouver, etc;).

 

 

Oh my, John, now your taxing my brain, Kansas City is MKC,

Can't remember Orlando..Know there are two airports there & one was ORL, but forgot what the Intl. airport code was..Think it started with an M..

Vancouver was easy for me YVR, Toronto, where my Dad was from was YYZ, & Montreal was YUL..A lot of the Canadian cities began with Y's & we never knew why..Those are some I still remember.. New Orleans, MSY always got me..No rhyme or reason for that code..

For years after I retired, I would forget & write letters to friends in airline codes..Many of them did not understand what I was saying..:eek:

When I started working at the airport it was known as Idlewild..The day JFK was shot I had taken comp time & left the office early to have my hair done in the terminal beauty shop..When I got into the main concourse & saw the TV, I thought everyone was watching a special movie until I saw them all crying in the middle of the terminal.. Then it sunk in..I sobbed all the way home while driving on the Long Island Expressway..After a few months all the Employees, our families & friends signed a petition to have our Airport re-named, John F. Kennedy Intl Airport & it was done quite quickly.. We were amazed that our little petition could have that done so fast...

 

Betty

[serendipity1499]

Is it true that there are no US commercial airport codes beginning with N? I remember asking why Newark is EWR and Norfolk is ORF, and somebody told me the N's were all military.

 

That's interesting..I've never heard that explanation before, but now understand why so many USA airports had what we always called "dumb" codes..Only "N" that I know of in the USA is NYC & that is a city code not an Airport code...

Bet there are some ex Military men/women on CC which could answer that..I don't know any of the Military airport codes..

Betty

[PRWeezer]

Orlando = MCO

Kansas City = MCI

MSY = Lots of fun :)

 

Just asked MrWeezer about the "N" airport code designation and the only airport he thought of quickly was NAS/Nassau, Bahamas.

 

This site might have more info on the military designation based on airports listed...several are detailed as NAS as in Naval Air Station.

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/IATA_Codes/IATA_Code_N.htm

[Randyk47]

Orlando = MCO

Kansas City = MCI

MSY = Lots of fun :)

 

Just asked MrWeezer about the "N" airport code designation and the only airport he thought of quickly was NAS/Nassau, Bahamas.

 

This site might have more info on the military designation based on airports listed...several are detailed as NAS as in Naval Air Station.

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/IATA_Codes/IATA_Code_N.htm

 

MCO = McCoy Air Force Base.

MCI = Mid-Continent International Airport.

MSY = Moisant Stock Yards (got to be the most obscure of the three :))

[djhsolara]

As far as Stateroom vs cabin ...I can't afford a stateroom I stay in a cabin :o:o

 

On HAL (yes, that is how I write it, but I always say Holland America) I stay in a stateroom but on Carnival or Princess I stay in a cabin. I don't know why, but I just do.

 

 

Douglas...Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Randyk47]

That's interesting..I've never heard that explanation before, but now understand why so many USA airports had what we always called "dumb" codes..Only "N" that I know of in the USA is NYC & that is a city code not an Airport code...

Bet there are some ex Military men/women on CC which could answer that..I don't know any of the Military airport codes..

Betty

 

Actually there are four airports in the US that start with the "N" code. N93, NEW, NQA, and NUL. All are relatively small regional airports though I get a kick out of NEW which is actually Lakefront Airport in.....wait for it....New Orleans. :D

[serendipity1499]

Orlando = MCO Thanks, I was wracking my brain to remember, but it never came to me..

Kansas City = MCI

MSY = Lots of fun :)

 

Just asked MrWeezer about the "N" airport code designation and the only airport he thought of quickly was NAS/Nassau, Bahamas.

 

This site might have more info on the military designation based on airports listed...several are detailed as NAS as in Naval Air Station.

http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/IATA_Codes/IATA_Code_N.htm

 

I talked & wrote in code for years & half my Friends were in the Airline Field & understood, but the other half & my family could never figure out what I was saying & thought we were all nuts!

It's been fun folks, now going to look at the moon..It's full right now & then going to bed early for a change..Let's all look at the moon as it will not be this way until 2117 & I'll be gone by then..LOL

Cheers..Betty

[monina01]

Loved the link! But now I'm in trouble: I've always said RINE-dam, and the voice says I should be saying REEN-dam .... :confused:

 

you actually have to type in RIJNdam, then you get the correct pronunciation .

RINE is correct.:)

[fleckle]

That's interesting..I've never heard that explanation before, but now understand why so many USA airports had what we always called "dumb" codes..Only "N" that I know of in the USA is NYC & that is a city code not an Airport code...

.....although many enter NYC as the airport code when checking out flights when we want to be flexible and see what flights are available for any of the area airports, instead of needing to enter each airport individually.

[Boytjie]

you actually have to type in RIJNdam, then you get the correct pronunciation .

RINE is correct.:)

 

How about "Rain"dam (English "rain", Dutch "regen")?

[Copper10-8]

How about "Rain"dam (English "rain", Dutch "regen")?

 

Rhine as in "mine" is closer!

[TheCalicoCat]

Did I really just read all of this to say - I don't care what you call it just call me on it! (in -30 days!)

 

For the record - HAL when typing, Holland America when speaking.