JimandStan Posted January 27, 2013 #51 Share Posted January 27, 2013 There's an old lady in Spain who can make you a copy!! Not Copy.......RESTORE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
findacruise Posted January 27, 2013 #52 Share Posted January 27, 2013 Not sure -- they may have run out of velvet. Then that means no "Elvis" available? :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbb Posted January 28, 2013 #53 Share Posted January 28, 2013 forget Elvis... no velvet that means no "Dogs Playing Poker?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIRGINIA ARTIE Posted January 28, 2013 #54 Share Posted January 28, 2013 We sailed on the Riviera last week, and they were setting up in Horizons before Trivia. You had to carefully walk around the easels and canvas . I am an artist, and asked the auctioneer if the public is told a canvas is a giclee, which is merely a worthless photocopy. He replied that they are informed about "reproductions". You can get taken at the art auction easier than at a port. What Oceania can do to enhance art appreciation is to have a booklet describing their own art onboard. The glass wall art and the Venetian masks are magnificent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacheco18 Posted January 28, 2013 Author #55 Share Posted January 28, 2013 I now understand why art auctions are back I just got off the solstice One guy's final bill was $80000+ He bought art There is a fool out there for every scam No doubt the cruise line gets a big chunk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridiana Posted January 29, 2013 #56 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I have just admired the photos of someone who took a Riviera cruise after ours ... If I am not mistaken, some of the 'art' usually sold at auctions now appears on the walls of the "Jacques" hallway??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondorner Posted January 29, 2013 #57 Share Posted January 29, 2013 I have just admired the photos of someone who took a Riviera cruise after ours ... If I am not mistaken, some of the 'art' usually sold at auctions now appears on the walls of the "Jacques" hallway??? You are not mistaken. When we sailed on Riviera in December, that was my only disappointment -- that some of the original artwork seen on Riviera had been replaced by schlock. I find it difficult to believe that FDR and Bob Binder, who selected all the original art, let this happen. Apparently, Mr. Kamlani has more discretionary power than I imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoHoHo Posted January 29, 2013 #58 Share Posted January 29, 2013 You are not mistaken. When we sailed on Riviera in December, that was my only disappointment -- that some of the original artwork seen on Riviera had been replaced by schlock. I find it difficult to believe that FDR and Bob Binder, who selected all the original art, let this happen. Apparently, Mr. Kamlani has more discretionary power than I imagined. +1 (while i agree with and enjoy so many of your posts Don, I never thought i would respond with that. just seemed appropriate) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
writer100 Posted January 29, 2013 #59 Share Posted January 29, 2013 It is not about being a "deal breaker." Art auctions are tacky. Declasse. I do not see a single poster anywhere who loves those art auctions.On an R ship I think those auctions would be quite conspicuous and not in a good way. My question still stands -- Oceania knows its demographic, it tries to please that demographic -- did someone tell FDR that we wanted the art auctions back? LOL Why in the world? If they need more profit, find another way!! These art auctions are antithetical to everything Oceania stands for in the cruise world. Got off Riviera 2 days ago, and there were indeed art auctions. Announcments of previews, and then an oral invitation (via the CD) for the "champagne" auction. I did wander up to Horizons one morning where the art was being placed on enormous easels. Frankly, I thought it was dreadful. But nothing is more subjective than art. My objection to shipboard art auctions is historical. A few years ago when they were prevalent, the "leading" company was under indictment in two states, Michigan and California, for failing to fulfill its guarantee. Which was a full refund within 30 days if you were not happy with your purchase once it was on your wall. That's pretty much sop for art bought from a gallery.But the company in question clearly didn't honor its pledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wripro Posted January 29, 2013 #60 Share Posted January 29, 2013 That the art onboard is dreadful is not subjective. It's a fact! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wripro Posted January 29, 2013 #61 Share Posted January 29, 2013 Let me clarify. I meant the auction art, not the art around the ship which is excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mjflowers Posted January 30, 2013 #62 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Let me clarify. I meant the auction art, not the art around the ship which is excellent. What company is running the auctions? Are there artists with works on board being made available during these auctions? Was on the Riviera in November last year and no auctions then. How does one differentiate from excellent work to schlock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_T Posted January 30, 2013 #63 Share Posted January 30, 2013 How does one differentiate from excellent work to schlock? Buy what you like at a price you consider reasonable for the amount of pleasure you derive from the art. Don't try to buy on-board as an 'investment' or as a 'bargain'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIRGINIA ARTIE Posted January 30, 2013 #64 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Let me reply to Mjflowers: I am a professional portrait artist, and was on Riviera this month. The art at the auctions were basically copies and work by artists that left something to be desired. Giclee: This is a photocopy of a popular artist [example, Pino] There are thousands of them on the market, and in many art galleries. Don't spend a lot of money for it. Before we sailed, Oceania had a luncheon for contributing artists living in Florida. I talked to some of them, but had no idea of the works that they created. There were a few good paintings on the walls, but I don't know if they were the works for sale. I spoke to an auctioneer, and felt that he was there to push the merchandise. If you have any questions while onboard, speak to the artist in residence. They are usually very knowledgeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksps cruise fan Posted January 30, 2013 #65 Share Posted January 30, 2013 What company is running the auctions? Are there artists with works on board being made available during these auctions? Was on the Riviera in November last year and no auctions then. How does one differentiate from excellent work to schlock? If you think you're going to buy art on a cruise and you aren't confident, start early. If possible, take the typically free museum tours led by docents. (Museums not offering docent-led tours often offer MP3 downloads or other audio tours.) Some museums station "Ask Me" specialists throughout the museum. "Ask Me" folks are very knowledgeable and are thrilled to share their information with others. Do not worry that you will get sucked into a long session either on a tour or with an "Ask Me" specialist. Everyone will be happy to have you stay for as much or as little time as your interest and schedule allows. When you visit local galleries, talk to the owners. Find out what the owner sees in the artists he/she displays. Check out YouTube videos for any that help people better see, understand, and appreciate art. Most important, spend time looking on your own. If your hometown doesn't have the museums and galleries that will help you with recommendations one and two, the non-auction art on Oceania is a great place to start. The average person spends 3 seconds in front of each work of art. Simply spending more time looking at art, will help you make lots of meaningful and valid discoveries. For example, look at the color choices, especially if they are not realistic in an otherwise realistic painting. I guarantee you the artist didn't say "Whoops! Out of that color, I'll just use what I have in my supply box." What do you think the artist is saying by his/her choice of atypical colors? Another example: If the painting includes a human, where is the subject looking? staring at you invitingly? daring you to keep looking? If there is more than one person, how are the eyes of all the people interacting? looking directly at each other? evading one another? Each of these choices communicates a different message to the viewer. Learn to recognize and understand those messages. Another example, has to do with size and scale. If the artist has painted the size of hands, for example, out of proportion to the rest of the body, what do you think the artist is trying to communicate by this choice? Above all, remember this was a deliberate choice, not just "Whoops! the artist got the rest of the painting right but made a mistake in one section." Spend time getting comfortable looking at abstract art. All art -- representation and abstract -- is made up of color, line, composition, and form. In abstract art, the art is about the color or line or form. In respresentational art, those same building blocks are used to produce something recognizable. Perhaps your kid really could do that, but he/she didn't -- at least not with deliberate intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchestrapal Posted January 30, 2013 #66 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Check out MSNBC's really informative program about ART FRAUD before you buy form any dealer you don't know. :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted January 30, 2013 #67 Share Posted January 30, 2013 How do you know what art pieces on the walls are part of the auction stock? Do they have a for sale sign on them? Not that I would buy any just curious There were a few pieces on the Marina that I would hang in my home if I had the space ;) I just buy things I like & in my budget Lyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floridiana Posted January 30, 2013 #68 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Examples of schlock (great word!), at least for me, are copies and variations of copies of impressionist paintings - pretending to be originals. Some had for sale signs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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