Titanic II to be constructed in China

[Happyboating]

Apologies if this has already been posted but I've only just come across it:

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1054117/titanic-ii-to-be-constructed-in-china

[Cunard Cruiser]

Thank you. After reading additional online articles/videos she will be escorted out of China with the Chinese Navy, escorted into England with the English Navy and then into NY with the US Navy. Why all the escorts- fear it might sink?

After the maiden voyage I assume she will be doing a regular crossing schedule. I wonder what Cunard is thinking in terms of competition?

[Cruachan]

Thank you. After reading additional online articles/videos she will be escorted out of China with the Chinese Navy, escorted into England with the English Navy and then into NY with the US Navy. Why all the escorts- fear it might sink?

After the maiden voyage I assume she will be doing a regular crossing schedule. I wonder what Cunard is thinking in terms of competition?

 

Even supposing Mr Salmond win his referendum on independence in 2014, I do not believe that there will have been time to establish an English Navy before Titanic II (assuming it ever gets built) arrives in Soton.

 

J

[Happyboating]

Thank you. After reading additional online articles/videos she will be escorted out of China with the Chinese Navy, escorted into England with the English Navy and then into NY with the US Navy. Why all the escorts- fear it might sink?

After the maiden voyage I assume she will be doing a regular crossing schedule. I wonder what Cunard is thinking in terms of competition?

 

Oh yes, I've just found these:

 

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2013/1/10/54544/3312/travel/Titanic+II+Could+Actually+Become+a+Reality

 

and this video:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19355950

 

I am aware that this project has been discussed on this forum before but, to be honest, I never thought it would happen. I'm afraid I won't be one of those bidding $1m to be on the maiden voyage!

Edited February 24, 2013 by Happyboating

[Cruachan]

Thank you. After reading additional online articles/videos she will be escorted out of China with the Chinese Navy, escorted into England with the English Navy and then into NY with the US Navy. Why all the escorts- fear it might sink?

After the maiden voyage I assume she will be doing a regular crossing schedule. I wonder what Cunard is thinking in terms of competition?

 

I imagine Cunard are thinking that they have a fleet of three modern ships with all the amenities (including balconies) that the modern cruise market demands and not some half baked replica of a 100 year old ship that sank on its maiden voyage with the loss of over 1,500 lives.

 

J

[Scrapnana]

If (and that is a big "if") Titanic 2 gets built I could see a demand for her maiden voyage. After that will there be that many people wanting to cruise on her, especially in third class? If the ship is to be as authentic as he states in the interview that means third class will have 4 (or more) to a cabin (likely half the size of today's smallest interior), share your cabin with strangers, two bathrooms for up to 1000 people, bring your own sheets, etc. Even second class would not have en-suites. Not conditions most of today's cruisers would tolerate.

[Jim Avery]

I imagine Cunard are thinking that they have a fleet of three modern ships with all the amenities (including balconies) that the modern cruise market demands and not some half baked replica of a 100 year old ship that sank on its maiden voyage with the loss of over 1,500 lives.

 

J

 

It is truly amazing times we live in. In the first period of recorded history we no longer try to go farther, faster, higher. Concorde gone, nothing better or faster as a replacement (not talking about economics here, just human history--even though, by now there should have been a more economical way to fly supersonic). Air travel is now considerably less comfortable and with only minor fuel savings and no appreciable speed advantage over a Boeing 707 from 1958! So now we want, as you so aptly put it a "half baked replica" of a ship that was, by all accounts, a total failure in its career.:eek: I would prefer a replica of the SS United States if that is all we are good for. As far as an "English Navy" wasn't that under Queen Elizabeth the former??:D

[Cruise Liner Fan]

If anyone is interested here is an on-line brochure about Titanic II. And according to the design plans Titanic II will be built with 2 azipods Here is the link http://publ.com/mNahlZu#/10/ Regards,Jerry

[Cruachan]

It is truly amazing times we live in. In the first period of recorded history we no longer try to go farther, faster, higher. Concorde gone, nothing better or faster as a replacement (not talking about economics here, just human history--even though, by now there should have been a more economical way to fly supersonic). Air travel is now considerably less comfortable and with only minor fuel savings and no appreciable speed advantage over a Boeing 707 from 1958! So now we want, as you so aptly put it a "half baked replica" of a ship that was, by all accounts, a total failure in its career.:eek: I would prefer a replica of the SS United States if that is all we are good for. As far as an "English Navy" wasn't that under Queen Elizabeth the former??:D

 

Well, the Mary Rose was a major unit of the English Navy and look what happened to that :eek:

 

J

[Michelle25490]

Oh how I would like to sail on Titanic 2.

Although I probably won't be able to afford it, if people are already bidding from a million pounds!

[Happyboating]

If anyone is interested here is an on-line brochure about Titanic II. And according to the design plans Titanic II will be built with 2 azipods Here is the link http://publ.com/mNahlZu#/10/ Regards,Jerry

 

Thank you for this link. I see on page 23 that there are going to be a number of public open days whilst the ship is in port. I would certainly be interested in going aboard and having a look. However, as Scrapnana has said, I doubt many people would want to actually sail third class in her despite the fact that all the cabins are going to be air-conditioned. Obviously, first class is a different matter but I don't see us being able to afford that.

[glojo]

If (and that is a big "if") Titanic 2 gets built I could see a demand for her maiden voyage. After that will there be that many people wanting to cruise on her, especially in third class? If the ship is to be as authentic as he states in the interview that means third class will have 4 (or more) to a cabin (likely half the size of today's smallest interior), share your cabin with strangers, two bathrooms for up to 1000 people, bring your own sheets, etc. Even second class would not have en-suites. Not conditions most of today's cruisers would tolerate.

Looking at the original vessel I would ask if her most luxurious compartments are possibly not comparable to the Britannia class standard of today? A simple everyday item on a modern cruise ship is air conditioning, did the Titanic have that or did it have scuttles that opened to let fresh air into rooms that would otherwise have been extremely HOT and stuffy.

 

The ship is less than half the weight of its modern counterpart and how much of its weight was made up by extremely heavy steel, rivets and huge, huge pieces of antiquated machinary.

 

Some people complain about the stability of modern cruise ships saying how much they pitch and roll. I would suggest the Cunard ships will very rarely if ever roll more than four degrees to port and starboard and this roll rate vwill be extremely slow. The modern ship is wider and has stabilisers, the old Titanic will pitch and roll like a bitch in adverse weather conditions, plus it will have all its windows closed, everyone will be confined to their rooms and the conditions will be more than just 'unpleasant'.

 

I CANNOT, cannot see this ship being a replica, if it is ever built, it will have all the comforts and equipment of any modern cruise ship or it will fail. If it is only being used for trans-Atlantic trips then will cabins need balconies?? If it starts going to warmer climates then perhaps prospective passengers might demand a balcony!

 

If it is a replica then I believe it is doomed to fail, especially if it has scheduled runs across the Atlantic in all weathers and in all conditions.

Edited February 25, 2013 by glojo

[Cruachan]

Looking at the original vessel I would ask if her most luxurious compartments are possibly not comparable to the Britannia class standard of today? A simple everyday item on a modern cruise ship is air conditioning, did the Titanic have that or did it have scuttles that opened to let fresh air into rooms that would otherwise have been extremely HOT and stuffy.

 

The ship is less than half the weight of its modern counterpart and how much of its weight was made up by extremely heavy steel, rivets and huge, huge pieces of antiquated machinary.

 

Some people complain about the stability of modern cruise ships saying how much they pitch and roll. I would suggest the Cunard ships will very rarely if ever roll more than four degrees to port and starboard and this roll rate vwill be extremely slow. The modern ship is wider and has stabilisers, the old Titanic will pitch and roll like a bitch in adverse weather conditions, plus it will have all its windows closed, everyone will be confined to their rooms and the conditions will be more than just 'unpleasant'.

 

I CANNOT, cannot see this ship being a replica, if it is ever built, it will have all the comforts and equipment of any modern cruise ship or it will fail. If it is only being used for trans-Atlantic trips then will cabins need balconies?? If it starts going to warmer climates then perhaps prospective passengers might demand a balcony!

 

If it is a replica then I believe it is doomed to fail, especially if it has scheduled runs across the Atlantic in all weathers and in all conditions.

 

Remember that gross tonnage is not a measure of "weight" - it is a measure of volume so the rivets and iron and so on don't enter into that calculation.

 

However, if the intention is to offer accommodation that is of a standard comparable to other modern cruise ships then the replica description will relate to nothing much more than some of the public spaces and the external appearance of the ship. I presume he doesn't intend that his replica should be powered by two thumping great reciprocating steam engines and a steam turbine, with 29 boilers and an army of stokers shovelling coal. This is confirmed by the fact that it appears that the propulsion units will consist of the now ubiquitous pods and those are powered by electricity generated by large modern diesels.

 

So, in essence, the whole thing will be like one of those funny little road trains that you see trundling around various cities (York included) where the locomotive is dressed up to look like a cartoon steam locomotive but is really just a chassis from a small petrol powered car with a Walt Disney exterior bolted on.

 

A really good example of a modern transport "replica" is the Peppercorn A1 Class Pacific, No 60163 "Tornado". That is so true to the original design that, despite entering service 42 years after the last original member of the class was withdrawn, is actually considered not to be a replica at all, but a new build locomotive of the original series. I really don't think that Titanic II will be in that league.

 

J

[glojo]

Remember that gross tonnage is not a measure of "weight" - it is a measure of volume so the rivets and iron and so on don't enter into that calculation.

 

However, if the intention is to offer accommodation that is of a standard comparable to other modern cruise ships then the replica description will relate to nothing much more than some of the public spaces and the external appearance of the ship. I presume he doesn't intend that his replica should be powered by two thumping great reciprocating steam engines and a steam turbine, with 29 boilers and an army of stokers shovelling coal. This is confirmed by the fact that it appears that the propulsion units will consist of the now ubiquitous pods and those are powered by electricity generated by large modern diesels.

 

So, in essence, the whole thing will be like one of those funny little road trains that you see trundling around various cities (York included) where the locomotive is dressed up to look like a cartoon steam locomotive but is really just a chassis from a small petrol powered car with a Walt Disney exterior bolted on.

 

A really good example of a modern transport "replica" is the Peppercorn A1 Class Pacific, No 60163 "Tornado". That is so true to the original design that, despite entering service 42 years after the last original member of the class was withdrawn, is actually considered not to be a replica at all, but a new build locomotive of the original series. I really don't think that Titanic II will be in that league.

 

J

Very fair point and I just do not accept this will be any type of replica. As you have pointed out it will probably be diesel powered, definitely NOT constructed the way the old ship was and in my opinion it will be fitted with stabilisers. Will it have a broader beam?

 

To me a replica is a replica and is this going to have the same dimensions as the original or will it just have a similar name.

 

Lets all travel by a replica Comet jet airliner with nice, square windows to look out of... :o:o

[Cruachan]

Very fair point and I just do not accept this will be any type of replica. As you have pointed out it will probably be diesel powered, definitely NOT constructed the way the old ship was and in my opinion it will be fitted with stabilisers. Will it have a broader beam?

 

To me a replica is a replica and is this going to have the same dimensions as the original or will it just have a similar name.

 

Lets all travel by a replica Comet jet airliner with nice, square windows to look out of... :o:o

 

What I want to know is who's going to get the contract to construct the iceberg and will Leonardo di Crapio and Kate Twinset be on the maiden voyage? :eek:

 

J

Edited February 25, 2013 by Cruachan

[glojo]

What I want to know is who's going to get the contract to construct the iceberg and will Leonardo di Crapio and Kate Twinset be on the maiden voyage? :eek:

 

J

May I be tactless and suggest the residents of the island of Giglio for the iceberg and Captain Francesco Schettino to take command :o

[QM1]

If Titanic II is to be built I am pretty sure it´ll be a flop in the longer term.

While some nostalgics with big purses might be in line for the maiden voyage, who will fill it afterwards? I cant see many Cunard regulars doing that. I love classic ships, but this is a bad joke to me, sorry.

Third Class anyone? I dont think so. Orange lifeboats on the lower decks? Yuck.

[3rdGenCunarder]

Remember that gross tonnage is not a measure of "weight" - it is a measure of volume so the rivets and iron and so on don't enter into that calculation.

 

However, if the intention is to offer accommodation that is of a standard comparable to other modern cruise ships then the replica description will relate to nothing much more than some of the public spaces and the external appearance of the ship. I presume he doesn't intend that his replica should be powered by two thumping great reciprocating steam engines and a steam turbine, with 29 boilers and an army of stokers shovelling coal. This is confirmed by the fact that it appears that the propulsion units will consist of the now ubiquitous pods and those are powered by electricity generated by large modern diesels.

 

So, in essence, the whole thing will be like one of those funny little road trains that you see trundling around various cities (York included) where the locomotive is dressed up to look like a cartoon steam locomotive but is really just a chassis from a small petrol powered car with a Walt Disney exterior bolted on.

 

A really good example of a modern transport "replica" is the Peppercorn A1 Class Pacific, No 60163 "Tornado". That is so true to the original design that, despite entering service 42 years after the last original member of the class was withdrawn, is actually considered not to be a replica at all, but a new build locomotive of the original series. I really don't think that Titanic II will be in that league.

 

J

 

I agree. There was an item on this on our news last night. DH wanted to know where the extra lifeboats would be. My first thought was the accommodations. People talk about how the QE2 would be a tough "sell" today, with her portholes instead of windows, small cabins, and few balconies. At least QE2 cabins were all ensuite. I suspect the cabins on titanic IIwill not be "authentic" recreations. And if the cabins are larger, there will be fewer pax than on Titanic I, which will mean fewer extra lifeboats will be needed.

[3rdGenCunarder]

What I want to know is who's going to get the contract to construct the iceberg and will Leonardo di Crapio and Kate Twinset be on the maiden voyage? :eek:

 

J

 

Ouch! I just fell out of my chair, laughing. :D

[T5LHR]

Personally... And this is just my thought on the whole thing...

 

It does not sit well with me. The sinking of The Titanic was a tragedy, as we all know, in which many many people lost their lives. Yes, of course, like everything, remember them fondly and allow them to rest in peace as part of a sad historic event. But, to try and recreate the vessel and what should have happened just does not sit right in my mind.

 

Leave it be.

 

By all means, if the chap wants to flash the cash, build a ship, a honking big one, carving it up into classes of travel as much as he wishes... But, leave the Titanic name and legacy alone.

[Happyboating]

This is what Clive Palmer said at a news conference yesterday in New York City:

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1057414/titanic-ii-clive-palmer-unveils-replica-plans

 

He reckons he's even going to have clothes made up, from the era, to fit every passenger in every class - he made it sound like it would be easier for me to find something to fit me on his ship than in my local shops! Incidentally, the ship will be doing the crossing in 6 days.

Edited February 27, 2013 by Happyboating

[Cruachan]

This is what Clive Palmer said at a news conference yesterday in New York City:

 

http://news.sky.com/story/1057414/titanic-ii-clive-palmer-unveils-replica-plans

 

He reckons he's even going to have clothes made up, from the era, to fit every passenger in every class - he made it sound like it would be easier for me to find something to fit me on his ship than in my local shops! Incidentally, the ship will be doing the crossing in 6 days.

 

And wasn't that just about the most cringe-worthy, toe-curlingly embarrassing outpouring of worthless verbiage that ever assaulted your ears?

 

J

[Rotterdam]

I personally find this folly ridiculous and after seeing & hearing the man responsible for it I understand why it is so.

 

Just these past few days relatives of the murdered people from the Twin Towers tragedy(9/11) have come forward objecting to the use of their loved ones voices in the film Zero Dark 30....it is offensive to have Hollywood use these peoples voices in a commercial purpose and not even notifying family. Where is the decency, common sense & honor???

 

 

Personally... And this is just my thought on the whole thing...

 

It does not sit well with me. The sinking of The Titanic was a tragedy, as we all know, in which many many people lost their lives. Yes, of course, like everything, remember them fondly and allow them to rest in peace as part of a sad historic event. But, to try and recreate the vessel and what should have happened just does not sit right in my mind.

 

Leave it be.

 

By all means, if the chap wants to flash the cash, build a ship, a honking big one, carving it up into classes of travel as much as he wishes... But, leave the Titanic name and legacy alone.

[Rotterdam]

the ship is being built in CHINA!!!!!

[turquoise 6]

I imagine Cunard are thinking that they have a fleet of three modern ships with all the amenities (including balconies) that the modern cruise market demands and not some half baked replica of a 100 year old ship that sank on its maiden voyage with the loss of over 1,500 lives.

 

J

If Titanic 2 does transatlantic runs, I will book it!!! I like the idea

and look forward to see Titanic 2 sail.

Cunard gave up on the idea of the QM2 being a transatlantic ocean liner with a consistent schedule. The QV & QE and cruise ships,not ocean liners .