CNN reporting another Carnival Ship having trouble (The Dream)

[JoJoLess]

Not sure if this has been posted, but here's a link to a live webcam that shows ship in port in St. Maarten.

 

 

http://www.thevillasongreatbay.com/webcam.html

[jsmeeker]

Then CBP is allowing the passengers to bypass our laws. That is just flat out wrong.

 

no they aren't. Its all within the law. They can wave normal rules and regulations if they need to. All legal.

[MrPete]

Carnival got slammed for not pulling the Triumph from service

 

(even though the issue that resulted in the fire had nothing to do with the earlier repairs)

 

 

Now Carnival is getting slammed for pulling the Dream from service, because they are thinking of their passengers FIRST.

 

A routine maintenance inspection reveals a possible problem and Carnival does not want to take a chance of having an issue.....so they pull the Dream from service .....

 

Make up your minds people!!

 

Where is Carnival getting slammed from pulling a broken ship from service?

[broberts]

When someone flies into the US, they are required to have a passport to enter. If they don't because it was lost or stolen, there are specific extra security screenings that they must go through. What I'm saying is that those without passports should be required to go through those same extra screenings on their way back into the US. That means a private room and a lot of questions.

 

 

It seems irrational to me that one would want to apply procedures for lost documentation to an entirely different set of circumstances. Regardless, CBP will do what it thinks is legal and necessary without any consideration of what posters on this form think.

[jsmeeker]

My guess is that they didn't have the MDR's open for lunch because most people were going ashore. Just like any port day, I imagine the buffet was open.

 

ah... that could have been it. Handled it like a normal port day. That makes sense.

[reallyitsmema]

Carnival got slammed for not pulling the Triumph from service

 

(even though the issue that resulted in the fire had nothing to do with the earlier repairs)

 

 

Now Carnival is getting slammed for pulling the Dream from service, because they are thinking of their passengers FIRST.

 

A routine maintenance inspection reveals a possible problem and Carnival does not want to take a chance of having an issue.....so they pull the Dream from service .....

 

Make up your minds people!!

Who is slamming Carnival? They made the right move pulling the ship out of service. The comments criticizing Carnival are questioning the apparent lack of maintenance of their ships.

 

They have offered reasonable compensation to passenger on both cruises effected by this problem.

 

The major discussion here is maintenance and passports and even the passport discussion have all in agreement except for one who will never admit they are wrong anyway.

[ducklite]

no they aren't. Its all within the law. They can wave normal rules and regulations if they need to. All legal.

 

The point is that I don't see any need in this picture. The people without passports should be subject to additional scrutiny like anyone else would be. They are not "special."

[jonbgd]

Best quote from the Cruise Critic story http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5258

 

Cruise Critic member Zen88, who's onboard, weighed in via an e-mail sent from her iPad. "All is great. Having the best vacation ever. Enjoying ALL of the free beverages and fun. News is a total lie. Flying back to Orlando tomorrow or Sat. Really awesome place to be stranded! People are great. Carnival has been great and ship is fully functional...."

WHat caught my eye in the story was this

 

Petty Officer Jon-Paul Rios, USCG, told Cruise Critic: "The Coast Guard was notified at 3 a.m. from a passenger reporting overflowing sewage and power outages onboard the vessel Carnival Dream. .

SO besides Pax keeping CNN on speed dial ....they now keep the USCG, on speed dial, as well:eek:

[srlafleur]

I just read the following headlines:

"Carnival Ship Strands Passengers Amid 'Toxic' Conditions"

and "New Carnival Nightmare!"

Where were they "stranded"? Three Mile Island? Chernobyl?

Seriously? Give me a break!

[Silvery Seas Cruiser]

What boggles my mind is just thinking about what it is costing Carnival to somehow find enough charter aircraft to fly back three thousand- plus passengers back to the US.

 

Also what is it costing Carnival to compensate all the current passengers and the ones who were scheduled for the next cruise?

 

Even though it is going to cost a fortune, I believe Carnival is making all the right moves for their passengers. This is just such a bad situation from a public relations stand point, but Carnival has really stepped up to the plate and tried to do the very best they can regardless of cost.

 

I sound like a Carnival cheerleader saying that, but I am not. I am "Loyal to Royal," but I have to say I really respect how quickly CCL stepped up and tried to help out everyone as quickly as posssible. I salute Carnival for how they are handling this latest cruise misadventure.

[MrPete]

WHat caught my eye in the story was this

 

Petty Officer Jon-Paul Rios, USCG, told Cruise Critic: "The Coast Guard was notified at 3 a.m. from a passenger reporting overflowing sewage and power outages onboard the vessel Carnival Dream. .

SO besides Pax keeping CNN on speed dial ....they now keep the USCG, on speed dial, as well:eek:

 

And I thought I read that when they contacted the ship, they were told all was fine?

[reallyitsmema]

I have. I'm just try to compare it to other reports I've heard. I don't always believe everything a company would say, nor to I always believe everything a passenger might say.

The problem isn't even 24 hours old. Carnival has been giving frequent updates on their plans for getting their passengers home. We really can't expect much else from them at this time. I am sure they have engineers looking into the problem and will update everyone on the status once they have a better understanding.

[fuddrules]

All marine generators are self-excited.

 

Don't you just hate a generator that has to have external excitement.:mad: :D

[jsmeeker]

The problem isn't even 24 hours old. Carnival has been giving frequent updates on their plans for getting their passengers home. We really can't expect much else from them at this time. I am sure they have engineers looking into the problem and will update everyone on the status once they have a better understanding.

 

I'm not too worried about the technical nature of the failure or how or when it will be fixed. Just trying to get other questions answered. Like supposed closed dining rooms. But I got an answer that seems to make sense. It's a port day so they are closed during the day. That's probably it. I'm sure they are/were opened at night and will be as long as they are there. Seems that there is no reason the ship couldn't be fully functional at port for the time being.

 

Also, I don't just want status updates from Carnival. I want to hear from people on board. Surely they could chime in. It's not like they have no power. Or they can't just get into a internet café on land.

[broberts]

The point is that I don't see any need in this picture. The people without passports should be subject to additional scrutiny like anyone else would be. They are not "special."

 

I fail to see why CBP should expend the resources for additional screening of some (my estimate) 1,000 people returning in an unusual manner from a closed-loop cruise. People for whom CBP has a record of departure including travel documentation details.

 

People returning from the Dream are returning from a closed-loop cruise, just not on the original vehicle. Their flight is not a separate and independent voyage.

[Redsfan]

I was following a twitter feed with cc and some Engineer from Carnival who stated the repairs could last about 1 week but nothing definite...my guess is they don't know yet until they can see what needs to be done exactly

[deborahjo]

At least they are on a beautiful island til they can get off.

[Aquahound]

I fail to see why CBP should expend the resources for additional screening of some (my estimate) 1,000 people returning in an unusual manner from a closed-loop cruise. People for whom CBP has a record of departure including travel documentation details.

 

People returning from the Dream are returning from a closed-loop cruise, just not on the original vehicle. Their flight is not a separate and independent voyage.

 

You are correct. Passport or not, every party will have to complete a 6059 Customs Declaration Form prior to landing and all will clear Customs in the same manner. The CBP agents are smart enough to know the circumstances and all persons will be cleared equally. The non passport holders did nothing illegal and they won't be punished for it. Passports are a non issue in this case.

[ib4cruzn]

I don't think this has been mentioned.

 

I know some people that under no circumstances will they get on an airplane.

 

With Carnival having a hand in it? I don't blame them. What are the chances?

[jonbgd]

And I thought I read that when they contacted the ship, they were told all was fine?

Your right here is the other part

 

"We contacted the cruise ship captain directly and asked what the situation was. He told us there was no problem with power or sewage, and that the main generator is fully operational. The only casualty is the propulsion system … The ship is unable to leave port until they are able to fix the problem, and staff are keeping everyone onboard for accountability purposes."

 

My comment was sarcasm based on the fact that a PAX actually phoned into the USCG from STX at 3 in the morning.

 

Ive got alot of friends still active duty in the USN/USMC and a few USCG( district 11 command desk jockies:rolleyes:) BUt Im sure I wouldnt be calling any of them about an overflowed commode.

And even if I did, not sure it would get answered or an immediate response

[ducklite]

I fail to see why CBP should expend the resources for additional screening of some (my estimate) 1,000 people returning in an unusual manner from a closed-loop cruise. People for whom CBP has a record of departure including travel documentation details.

 

People returning from the Dream are returning from a closed-loop cruise, just not on the original vehicle. Their flight is not a separate and independent voyage.

 

I disagree. They are not coming back en masse on a single ship, they are coming in piecemeal on a variety of flights to a different point of entry.

[chengkp75]

And I thought I read that when they contacted the ship, they were told all was fine?

 

No, they were told that main power and propulsion were not affected. As far as USCG is concerned, with a foreign flag ship docked in a foreign port, they are not even required to be notified, as they have no jurisdiction. Apparently, they took the passenger's phone call to be a distress call.

 

As I've said, it is up to the St. Martins (Dutch?) maritime authorities to grant clearance for a ship to sail with some safety equipment out of order. It is also up to the insurance underwriter. The USCG will only become involved when the ship is within 12 miles of the US coast, and requires that a ship with a failure of required safety equipment to notify them of this, and the USCG will determine if they want the ship to proceed to port, or whether it should anchor, or whether it requires an escort tug, as the Elation is having in the Miss River.

[thegoodlife247]

I hate that passengers that were sailing saturday won't get to sail. I truly hope they will get the problem fixed by the 23rd. I am set to sail on the 30th.

[ducklite]

Your right here is the other part

 

"We contacted the cruise ship captain directly and asked what the situation was. He told us there was no problem with power or sewage, and that the main generator is fully operational. The only casualty is the propulsion system … The ship is unable to leave port until they are able to fix the problem, and staff are keeping everyone onboard for accountability purposes."

 

My comment was sarcasm based on the fact that a PAX actually phoned into the USCG from STX at 3 in the morning.

 

Ive got alot of friends still active duty in the USN/USMC and a few USCG( district 11 command desk jockies:rolleyes:) BUt Im sure I wouldnt be calling any of them about an overflowed commode.

And even if I did, not sure it would get answered or an immediate response

 

My thoughts on this are that given the Triumph situation, passengers were upset and not getting answers from the ship and feeling like there was more going on than there was. This was entirely CCL's fault for the PR debacle they alone created with the Triumph, and passengers aren't going to forget that for a very long time.

[Aquahound]

No, they were told that main power and propulsion were not affected. As far as USCG is concerned, with a foreign flag ship docked in a foreign port, they are not even required to be notified, as they have no jurisdiction. Apparently, they took the passenger's phone call to be a distress call.

 

As I've said, it is up to the St. Martins (Dutch?) maritime authorities to grant clearance for a ship to sail with some safety equipment out of order. It is also up to the insurance underwriter. The USCG will only become involved when the ship is within 12 miles of the US coast, and requires that a ship with a failure of required safety equipment to notify them of this, and the USCG will determine if they want the ship to proceed to port, or whether it should anchor, or whether it requires an escort tug, as the Elation is having in the Miss River.

 

You are mostly correct, but I have to correct one thing. The jurisdiction of the USCG does not begin at 12nm. They have full jurisdiction on that ship on the high seas if their voyage either originated or ends in the U.S. according to the Special Maritime and Territorial Jurisdiction of the U.S. (18 USC 7). This is a subject I am very familiar with. ;)