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Judge tosses out Charleston cruise terminal case

SavvySarah

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RetiredArmyinSC

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Yes the IRS has something do with cruise ships since their parent companies are located in the US. I would also say these cruise companies are also require to follow SEC rules. Also there US citizens working on these ships so they are subject to taxes since they are not hired by a foreign contractor. Any casino winnings over a certain amount are required to be reported to the IRS.

 

Of course the EPA is involved, who do think is one of driving powers behind shore side power?

 

The last ship I was on had an environmental compliance officer. I am sure the EPA had something do with this plus the ISO 9001 compliance.

 

We can discuss the pro and cons for a while if you like.

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chengkp75

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Yes the IRS has something do with cruise ships since their parent companies are located in the US. I would also say these cruise companies are also require to follow SEC rules. Also there US citizens working on these ships so they are subject to taxes since they are not hired by a foreign contractor. Any casino winnings over a certain amount are required to be reported to the IRS.

 

Of course the EPA is involved, who do think is one of driving powers behind shore side power?

 

The last ship I was on had an environmental compliance officer. I am sure the EPA had something do with this plus the ISO 9001 compliance.

 

We can discuss the pro and cons for a while if you like.

 

Why do you think that Senator Rockefeller is constantly after the cruise lines? Because, since they are incorporated overseas, regardless of where the corporate headquarters is, they do not pay US corporate tax. They do pay US payroll tax on employees in the corporate headquarters, and on the maybe 5%, tops, of shipboard employees that are US citizens. And you think that reporting winnings to the IRS implies regulation?

 

The EPA has given compliance regulation over all ships, foreign and US, to the USCG (much to the CG's dismay). This includes major environmental mandates like the fuel being burned in the US ECA, and the inspection of vessels with compliance with the VGP (Vessel General Permit required by the Clean Water Act). Believe me, I know about this, since I deal with this every day of my career.

 

The environmental officer is not required by the EPA, since the EPA does not have jurisdiction over the crewing or operation of foreign ships. They can make regulations concerning discharges in US waters, but not on how the ship complies. While the Environmental Officer is specified in most, if not all, cruise lines' ISM (International Safety Management) System, this document is not mandated by the US, but by the IMO. The IMO leaves it to the flag state (Panama or Bahamas) and the classification society to determine what constitutes a valid ISM, and what must be included or not. The USCG, or the US government in any agency, can only determine that the ship has a valid ISM document, but cannot question the content or thoroughness of whatever the flag state and the class society have approved. ISO 9001 certification (quality management), and ISO 14001 (environmental management) are granted by the classification society based on their approval of various segments of the ISM.

 

To be honest, the driving force behind shore power is the state of California, which is why almost no ports outside CA have adopted shore power requirements (Alaska has some, and WA is working on implementing, the last time I was out on the West Coast).

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Roz Great Review Rare

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I live in Middle TN, and I'm here because the Rustbelt city I was born and raised in went belly up when I graduated from college, and there was no reason for the young people to hang around. Be careful what you wish for.

 

Roz

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ponza17

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It is not the real citizen's of Charleston,the ones that were born here ,that is the problem.The "Bluebloods" are people from other states that have come to live in this fair city and want to change our way of life and history.Their blood is as red as ours! THATS THE PROBLEM ! Shipping has been the lifeblood of the Charleston's sea port long before Bluebloods came to live here.Cargo,Naval,Cruiseships and tour boats hve been in Charleston harbor for over a century and will be here for many more years to come.

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NCTribeFan

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Bob, don't take the troll's bait!

 

The "same old itinerary" argument isn't terribly relevant, I don't think. Even with a new terminal, they aren't going to put a huge, new ship in Charleston that can sail to the Southern Caribbean and back! After all, they can only sail "so far" and return in a week.

 

For some reason, I'm not seeing as many of the 7-night itineraries (Nassau, GT, HMC; I was looking for one mid-April to late-May 2015 and there isn't a single one :mad: ).

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bobsfamily

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Bob, don't take the troll's bait!

 

Some posters here just like to stir up Carnival cruisers. My advice is to ignore, sometimes they just go away.

 

I know, I know....

 

Just did a bit of checking and JB is on 3-4 different cruiseline threads, making statements to get you to respond. You should check out JB's response on a thread about Ebola, nuff said.:eek: Sad....

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I read plenty of articles that claimed that while a cruise ship would seem to bring money to the local economy, a vast majority of passengers drove in the day of the cruise and went straight to the ship. This is very different from other ports that cater to airport passengers who tended to fly in/out and stay a day before/after the cruise. The downsides of more infrastructure spending, additional traffic/pollution, etc., would seem to offset the positives. Off course, these were news articles so you can't really believe them. I know Charleston looks like an attractive 9/10 hour drive, so I would fall into those just passing through. We don't know which side to believe, so we no longer consider Charleston as an option. Fortunately, Carnival is supposed to stay in/return to Baltimore and New York.

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I read plenty of articles that claimed that while a cruise ship would seem to bring money to the local economy, a vast majority of passengers drove in the day of the cruise and went straight to the ship. This is very different from other ports that cater to airport passengers who tended to fly in/out and stay a day before/after the cruise. The downsides of more infrastructure spending, additional traffic/pollution, etc., would seem to offset the positives. Off course, these were news articles so you can't really believe them. I know Charleston looks like an attractive 9/10 hour drive, so I would fall into those just passing through. We don't know which side to believe, so we no longer consider Charleston as an option. Fortunately, Carnival is supposed to stay in/return to Baltimore and New York.

 

I don't think that the boost to the local economy for home porting a cruise ship is mainly from passenger spending. It comes from the jobs added at the cruise terminal (security, check in, longshoremen), the food and liquor bought from local distributors (both the revenue to those companies and the additional jobs required), the fuel supplier, and so forth.

 

At any port, there will be those who fly in and out immediately before/after the cruise, but there will be those who have to, or choose to, fly in early, and this will provide additional restaurant and hotel revenue.

 

Proper civic planning should be able to make the port fees meet the capital expenditures for the new terminal, highways, parking, etc, over a reasonable payback period.

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I know when we sailed the Fantasy, we stayed over night, shopped at the market, had dinner. When we left, if we had the extra day we would have done more but had to be back at work so only spent on Breakfast. I'm sure there's a lot of people who will stay a few days either before or after from some of the reading. It can definitely be sold as 2 vacations in one if you have the time off.

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My family and I have cruised on the Fantasy out of Charleston at least five times. We always spend at least one night or more in the city. We enjoy eating at Pearlz, both downtown and the Ashley location. My son always wants to go to California Dreaming to eat. We also shop and go to tourist sites. We spend hundreds of dollars in the city each cruise. I resent the blue bloods, but the merchants and workers in Charleston should resent them even more.

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