Coexisting with smokers?

[sail7seas]

There are quite a few posts that are directed at smokers

 

 

Yes, there would be posts directed at smokers.

This is a smoking thread.

But, in fairness, you probably also have noticed posts directed at not smokers who are bothered by second hand smoke l...... as one would expect in a smoking thread. :)

[YubaSutter]

Not an issue on Celebrity at all ;)

 

This is a HAL board, not Celebrity. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[CRUZBUDS]

This is a HAL board, not Celebrity. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

-- it appeared to be a generic question about dealing with smoke when entering a casino and and since we're discussing cruising and smoking, it seemed like natural tie in. Sorry it bothered you.

 

There are rarely any smoking threads on the Celebrity boards, the issue has been settled there. Smokers and non-smoker co-exist with 21st century policies. :)

[mor mor]

If it helps, we are 3 star Mariners who travel with our children, all of us on balconies, and we never have smelled cigarette smoke there. So it is very possible you will be lucky too.

[chrispb]

NO ONE has the "right" to pollute the air that I breathe!

 

So you don't drive a car or fly in planes?

 

Yawn, yeah right!

[JerseyJaguar]

Yes, there would be posts directed at smokers.

This is a smoking thread.

But, in fairness, you probably also have noticed posts directed at not smokers who are bothered by second hand smoke l...... as one would expect in a smoking thread. :)

I believe DMB was responding to Cruzbud who said it's not about the smokers it's about HAL. DMB was pointing out that many of the comments are indeed about the smoker.

 

Like DMB I work in a city where smoking is not allowed in parks or buildings or many places, yet there are always those folks who complains about the few places smokers are allowed to smoke. One man confronted a smoker on a busy street corner with taxis and buses inches away, yelling at him for polluting his air.

 

And remember, this is a thread where people have encouraged spraying smokers who are allowed to smoke on their balconies, running a fan in their faces, or confronting them outright, all implying crossing the boundary where one balcony ends and another begins.

 

I like my privacy and am very disturbed by the encouragement for strangers to violate that.

[cruz chic]

I believe DMB was responding to Cruzbud who said it's not about the smokers it's about HAL. DMB was pointing out that many of the comments are indeed about the smoker.

 

Like DMB I work in a city where smoking is not allowed in parks or buildings or many places, yet there are always those folks who complains about the few places smokers are allowed to smoke. One man confronted a smoker on a busy street corner with taxis and buses inches away, yelling at him for polluting his air.

 

And remember, this is a thread where people have encouraged spraying smokers who are allowed to smoke on their balconies, running a fan in their faces, or confronting them outright, all implying crossing the boundary where one balcony ends and another begins.

 

I like my privacy and am very disturbed by the encouragement for strangers to violate that.

 

I believe that most folks (if not all) were joking. I fail to see how having a fan on would be an issue. There was another thread not so long ago when a smoker announced that he hated fat people and people with tattoos. Smokers are not without fault either.

[SteveH2508]

I believe that most folks (if not all) were joking. I fail to see how having a fan on would be an issue. There was another thread not so long ago when a smoker announced that he hated fat people and people with tattoos. Smokers are not without fault either.

 

That was one poster - there are many (probably more, given the 80:20 split NS:S) people who may have that view. They may have not been provoked into expressing their views because they were not subjected to a personal attack on their lifestyle choices.

 

Many people have prejudiced and stereotypical views - the circumstances when they express them varies.

 

The problem with the internet and forums like these is that tongue-in-cheek posts do not always get taken that way. The 'more righteous than thou' types seem less able to get this, in my experience (YMMV). Whether they are the 80% or the 20% I'll leave the reader to decide.

[LoveDMB]

I believe DMB was responding to Cruzbud who said it's not about the smokers it's about HAL. DMB was pointing out that many of the comments are indeed about the smoker.

 

Like DMB I work in a city where smoking is not allowed in parks or buildings or many places, yet there are always those folks who complains about the few places smokers are allowed to smoke. One man confronted a smoker on a busy street corner with taxis and buses inches away, yelling at him for polluting his air.

 

And remember, this is a thread where people have encouraged spraying smokers who are allowed to smoke on their balconies, running a fan in their faces, or confronting them outright, all implying crossing the boundary where one balcony ends and another begins.

 

I like my privacy and am very disturbed by the encouragement for strangers to violate that.

 

Thank you! Yes I was referring to that post, I guess I should have quoted it. :o

[Beefjerky]

NO ONE has the "right" to pollute the air that I breathe!

 

Yes, spoken like someone who thinks they are somehow special.

 

Nobody was born with a Golden Ticket guarantee that their air would be unpolluted, that their water would be clean, and their food unspoiled. Nobody has that Ticket to eternal life, luxury, or ease. Ask those billions in the 3rd world if what I say is true, or not.

 

Regardless of anyone's incessant complaining, life and the world is was it is. You adapt to it, it does not adapt to you.

Edited May 28, 2014 by Beefjerky

[Harry1954]

I'm from the Bay Area where smoking is banned all over the place. I find it funny that out here, traffic is crazy, oil refineries are all around, and yet people think that a wafting bit of smoke, as they pass someone on the sidewalk, is going to kill them. I think the smoke free "air" we breathe out here is way worse then smelling occasional cigarette smoke. And exactly how much polluted air does a cruise ship spew?? I think it's sad that smokers are judged so harshly. I'm surprised, as a new CC member to see that that same hatred spews forth here too.

 

Personally, I don't get hung up on breathing fouled air from smokers due to medical issues, especially since I was a smoker as a yoot. However, I prefer smelling the clean, salt air when I have the opportunity to relax on the verandah ... and that is not happening when someone either below or next to me is smoking away. They are enjoying their cruise, but at my expense ... again .. this is a win-lose either way sadly to say.

harry

[jocelysue]

I'm a non-smoker who believes in "laissez-faire" i.e. "to each his own".

 

I have sailed on Celebrity with its non-smoking policy; fine. Couldn't help but notice though that the extremely few places where smoking was allowed seemed to have the most fun people. Maybe a false impression. Who knows? I'm a 3 star Mariner and, DH's health willing, will sail again on HAL, Princess, Celebrity, Cunard depending on price and itinerary.

 

Smoking policy will not be a factor for me. Although I don't like the smell of smoke, I like the smell of the sea and that's why I sail. I respect other people's opinions. If you want non-smoking, there are options; if you don't mind smoking there are options.

 

Simply choose what suits you and, please, don't diss those persons or liines who do not share your opinions. Life is too short to be and the world is too big to be its health or smell or whatever policeman.

[sail7seas]

I believe DMB was responding to Cruzbud who said it's not about the smokers it's about HAL. DMB was pointing out that many of the comments are indeed about the smoker.

 

 

 

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:confused: I was under the impression that when someone posts on a public forum, they are speaking to all who participate in that forum and that anyone permitted by the forum managers to do so, can post a response?

 

 

 

Originally Posted by sail7seas

Yes, there would be posts directed at smokers.

This is a smoking thread.

But, in fairness, you probably also have noticed posts directed at non smokers who are bothered by second hand smoke l...... as one would expect in a smoking thread.

Edited May 28, 2014 by sail7seas

[JerseyJaguar]

:confused: I was under the impression that when someone posts on a public forum, they are speaking to all who participate in that forum and that anyone permitted by the forum managers to do so, can post a response?

 

 

No one said you couldn't respond, but you seemed confused at to why DMB made that post and I was just pointing out it was a response to a post saying it's about HAL not smokers.

 

As you know, it's never about just HAL on these threads, it's usually about what the nonsmokers think of smokers ruining their vacations.

 

My real concern reading these threads is that it seems like there are a lot of peeping toms checking to see what others are doing on their balconies.

[cruz chic]

No one said you couldn't respond, but you seemed confused at to why DMB made that post and I was just pointing out it was a response to a post saying it's about HAL not smokers.

 

As you know, it's never about just HAL on these threads, it's usually about what the nonsmokers think of smokers ruining their vacations.

 

My real concern reading these threads is that it seems like there are a lot of peeping toms checking to see what others are doing on their balconies.

 

Peeping toms? How so? No one needs to look to see if you are smoking. You can smell it as hard as it is for smokers to believe.

[cruisemom42]

Thank you! Yes I was referring to that post, I guess I should have quoted it. :o

 

No worries, I'd think most didn't find it hard to understand what you meant.

[sail7seas]

Did I say I didn't understand? :confused:

 

My message is brief and to the point. I actually do understand. ;)

 

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[SeagoingMom]

FWIW, which is probably not much except for my family, I do a cost/benefit analysis as that is what I do...I analize risk.

 

Segregation is not the way to go for any issue at anytime. Telling people they have to book certain cabins inorder to smoke (or not) is segregation.

 

When I booked our first HAL cruise I researched everything (and I mean everything) except smoking as that is how much it doesn't enter my mind. After I booked and came on here I found out that HAL allowed smoking in the cabins and the balcony. Well we had a very asmatic child who had a history of getting very sick very quickly and we were in an inside. I panicked and called HAl and was told they would deep clean the cabin and if we could smell smoke then they would clean some more.

 

We never smelled smoke, thank goodness. We loved HAL more than Disney or Princess as it has many quiet places where you can sit and look out, do puzzles, read....all the things we like as our lives are so busy and noisy at home. No neon lights, no booming music...just classy.

 

A few cruises later we are booked into our first balcongy cabin. It is on the port side as there are no starboard cabins for 4 back past midship and I don't like the rocking (or risk thereof) near the bow where the majority of cabins that can sleep 4 and have a balcony are located.

 

We had to make a choice...the balcony and possibility of smelling smoke or not having a balcony for 20 days while we do a bucket list cruise with our children. I chose the balcony and we each have a battery operated fan.

 

Problem solved. I will bring a mask for DS just in case. But we have our balcony and we will enjoy it.

 

Life is full of risk and we each chose to deal with them and chose which we are willing to take. The early mornings on a balcony is what I look forward to most...as do my family as I have a place to go while they continue to sleep.:) Missing that just isn't worth it...me and my fan will love it out there!

 

Glad you found a solution you are happy with. May I ask how you employ the battery operated fans?

 

Thanks!

[SeagoingMom]

I agree with this 100%. If I have smoking neighbors on my Alaska cruise, I'm not saying they should NEVER smoke. I'm just hoping that they're reasonable and don't insist on being out there every waking moment...or they will be willing to do something like move to the other side of the balcony.

So as to offend the pax on that side, just as long as it's not you? Good plan. Very considerate.

[runnergirl71]

So as to offend the pax on that side, just as long as it's not you? Good plan. Very considerate.

 

A) The other passenger may not mind.

 

B) If they are on my left, it likely won't make any difference as it will blow my direction anyway. And if they are on my right, the smoke would be blowing that way anyway.

 

I'm also not the first person who suggested it if you'd bother to read the entire thread.

[SeagoingMom]

Oh dear. I want to appologize to everyone on "both" sides of what this has turned into. I was only asking about whether the air would be uncomfortable in the aft cabin my mother reserved and, if we couldn't move to a different room, how to maybe break bread with any smokers above/below us to see if we could work around it--ie: by finding out their dining (or bridge game or gym) schedule and knowing we could use the veranda then.

 

My thought is this: 95% of people, smokers and nonsmokers alike, are mindful of the preferences of those around them and would be amenable to friendly dialgue, even if they don't ultimately find a solution that meets everyone's needs. The problem is the 5% of people (the passive aggressive non-smokers who would actually think that misting lysol through the verandah divider is okay AND the smokers who see their morning/evening cigarette and coffee/wine as Custer's Last (proverbial) Stand) make everyone else afraid to remain rational and see each other's humanity.

 

Perhaps we should wrap this up. I'm going to look at the deck plans and call tomorrow to try and get us moved to a low and forward verandah as the only other cabins left are insides and I'd really love not to miss the beautiful scenery or fauna that we all love so much. Also, we're going to bring a fan, not to "blow the smoke back" at anyone, but to blow it out to the sea just in case we can't work it out. I was also inspired by a family on a recent flight who gave candies and ear plugs to everyone seated near them to placate in case their todler got loud. Perhaps some goodie bags will help bridge the gap if any smokers seem friendly/amenable enough to hear our concerns.

 

What do you guys think?

 

Will the goodie bags include cigarettes?

[SeagoingMom]

A) The other passenger may not mind.

 

B) If they are on my left, it likely won't make any difference as it will blow my direction anyway. And if they are on my right, the smoke would be blowing that way anyway.

 

I'm also not the first person who suggested it if you'd bother to read the entire thread.

The other passenger may not mind...

 

If the other passenger doesn't mind, they certainly are not posting on this thread!

 

And of course, your solution (or whose ever solution it is that you borrowed it from) isn't a solution at all, because, by your own admission, the smoke is going to blow in your direction anyway -- hence no solution -- or it is already blowing in the other passenger's direction -- hence no solution.

 

Just seemed cavalier to throw the problem onto another passenger who "may not mind."

[jcpruett]

Its only seven days people. Get over it.

[runnergirl71]

Remind me not to post again saying I might try something someone else has suggested.

 

No clue what I did to make you single me out SeagoingMom, but again, I am NOT the first one who said it.

 

 

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[mayfair0325]

Same here, Joanie, even though I've switched to an e-cig...which is sometimes even more of a hot button topic! :eek::D

 

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