Smoking on your balcony is out! Gratuities are going up.

[boo317]

How about glass enclosed balconies for the non-smokers?

[chris330r]

How about glass enclosed balconies for the non-smokers?

 

But non-smokers are going out to enjoy the fresh sea air. The smokers are going out to smoke in it. Big difference.

[Splash14]

They must have a lot of folks calling and complaining or canceling because I called Carnival with a question about my booking and was on hold for about 20 minutes.

[iconoclast]

Well for us this is sad. Boyfriend doesn't like cruises but when he saw the one way cruise to San Juan next fall he said ok we'll book a balcony. When I told him this last night that we would be better off with no balcony because he can't smoke on it he said to forget the cruise and book our usual hotel in Cozumel less money and he can smoke on the balcony there. So thanks for dashing my hopes of a cruise Carnival.

 

Isn't it your boyfriend's stubborn addiction that dashed your hopes of a cruise?

[BaseballMomof4]

To keep smokers happy, perhaps Carnival can just make some balconies glass enclosed for the smokers. This way they can sit out and smoke while enjoying the view and not bother neighbors.

 

It would be a win win win for all....but something tells me the smokers will say now their fresh air is gone which to me, blatantly contradicts what the smoker is doing in the first place.

 

They want to blow all that smoke directly into their lungs, yet they don't care to smell all that smoke themselves when it comes back out----just like the non-smokers don't either.

 

So I'm curious to know....would smokers be alright with the concept of glass enclosed balconies for them?

 

Or vice versa - for the non-smokers - then there would be no harmful toxins to disturb them ;)

[BaseballMomof4]

Well, apparently ENOUGH "whiners" have written in to make Carnival change its policy....and only now are SOME smokers whining about it. So, here's what I suggest: instead of going on about how non-smokers have pissed on the smoker's parade, I suggest smokers contact Carnival and express their displeasure. If ENOUGH people let them know how they feel, perhaps they'll change the policy back.

 

Lets see if smokers have the male wear-with-all to try and do something about it. If it's REALLY that important to them as it is to the non-smokers, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Oh, and I've cruise 46 times (I admit not all on Carnival) and, with the exception of one cruise, I've filled out a survey for every one....including ALL of my Carnival sailings.

 

No survey was given to me or any of the other 20 cruisers we cruised with in May :confused: don't know. But I did write to Carnival and your suggestion is a good one.

 

If you are a smoker and you are unhappy about this then write directly to Carnival. Posting here does nothing. Remember, it was the whiners writing to Carnival that created this so obviously Carnival reads it's mail/email.

[iliveinletters]

They must have a lot of folks calling and complaining or canceling because I called Carnival with a question about my booking and was on hold for about 20 minutes.

 

 

There have also been issues with various parts of the website all day. They've put up a new sale and I know I couldn't get my price protection form through and I had to call (and wait). I also couldn't access the "Manage My Booking" tab and had to call (and wait) about that as well. Someone else mentioned that they couldn't book any excursions online. So, while I'm sure they are dealing with phone calls regarding the new smoking regulations, I think some of that wait can be attributed to people having to call for all kinds of help because the site isn't working properly and what they normally would have done on their own online, they now have to call Carnival about.

[chris330r]

Or vice versa - for the non-smokers - then there would be no harmful toxins to disturb them ;)

 

See, this is where smokers become illogical.

 

I truly think a plexiglass bubble that wraps around the balcony would be a perfect solution.

 

Smokers would still have their view and the luxury of having a balcony. I would think this would make smokers happy.

 

The non smokers want the fresh sea air, but in all the posts, not one of the smokers have mentioned going out for a breath of fresh sea air....so really, why not have glass enclosed balconies for the smokers?

 

Why do you suggest non smokers be enclosed when it's them who are adamant about breathing fresh air rather than the toxins smokers are breathing in??

 

I truly believe it's a win win for all!

[LMaxwell]

They must have a lot of folks calling and complaining or canceling because I called Carnival with a question about my booking and was on hold for about 20 minutes.

 

Or a lot of folks calling to upgrade to balconies or make new bookings.

[rebfan831]

I remember when the law passed to ban smoking in all restaurants and bars, smoker's were obviously upset about it and said they would just not go out to dinner anymore. Well, they do and just go outside to smoke.

 

Would a smoker, that really enjoys Carnival cruise line, plan a different vacation because they couldn't smoke on their balcony? They do have areas on the ship they can smoke.

 

I just don't see that happening. That would be "cutting off your nose to spite your face" kind of logic?

 

I think eventually, all cruise lines will go this route. I just can't believe people that love to cruise AND love to smoke, would stop cruising because they couldn't smoke on the balcony.

 

Let me clarify a few things for you. First...yes, as a smoker I will give up cruising (even though I love it) because it will not be a vacation for me any longer. I spent 16 years married to a drunk and dealing with all the misery that goes with that. I HATE being around drunks. My balcony was my refuge. Spend the day on shore, have dinner and retire to my balcony with a book and a smoke before bed. Total bliss.

 

Secondly, I also remember when my state banned smoking in bars & restaurants. Several of our bars went under because all of the non-smokers who celebrated the smoking ban failed to show up to support the businesses. Of course we quit going so often because it's damn cold to stand outside most of the year to have a cigarette. Restaurants are a little different. Not so much time is spent there. We order, we eat, we leave, have a smoke on the way home.

 

Cruises are a bit different. I am trapped on a ship for a week. I can't just get in my car, go for a ride and have a smoke. That's the reason that I've always paid extra for balcony (plus the dealing with drunks part). I could retire to my balcony and I paid very well for that. How relaxing is it to have to get re-dressed and go however many decks away to the "designated smoking area" for my end of the day smoke? I'm not going to spend that much money for that kind of vacation. And you are right, we smokers have been conditioned to smoke outside. That's what we've tried to do but it isn't good enough for some of you.

 

I'm obligated for one last cruise with my friend in November. Here's how it's going to play out. I've traded our beautiful extended aft balcony for an inside room. I booked it as close to a "designated smoking area" as I could. I will get up in the morning and throw a bathrobe over my nightgown and trot up a deck for coffee and a smoke...IN A PUBLIC AREA. Later, when we get back on the ship, we will most likely just plant ourselves in one of the smoking areas for the remainder of the night. How does this benefit all of you non-smokers? Now, instead of outside on my private balcony, I will be forced to smoke in public areas (some of them inside). They didn't do you any favors with this either.

 

As for ships being completely non-smoking, do a little research on the Carnival Paradise. It was a non-smoking ship for 6 years and Carnival lost big money on it. You non-smokers didn't show up for that either.

[iliveinletters]

To keep smokers happy, perhaps Carnival can just make some balconies glass enclosed for the smokers. This way they can sit out and smoke while enjoying the view and not bother neighbors.

 

It would be a win win win for all....but something tells me the smokers will say now their fresh air is gone which to me, blatantly contradicts what the smoker is doing in the first place.

 

They want to blow all that smoke directly into their lungs, yet they don't care to smell all that smoke themselves when it comes back out----just like the non-smokers don't either.

 

So I'm curious to know....would smokers be alright with the concept of glass enclosed balconies for them?

 

With glass enclosed balconies, could you imagine the smell of the cabin? It would be like walking into the casino. I don't see it as a viable option.

[Gon2hwe]

Carnival has banned smoking on the balcony. Ok there you go! We'll cruise on NCL until they do then we'll do land vacations or stay home, whatever. The only reason we decided to cruise on Carnival is because RCL banned smoking on balconies. Never in a million years did I think I'd cruise on Carnival especially after all the bad stuff that happened a couple years ago. We gave it a try and it wasn't actually too bad. Decided to go next month. But it will be our last Carnival cruise. If they all ban smoking on balconies, and I have to chose between all the cruise lines, Carnival will still be at the bottom of the list. If Carnival thinks this will help them lose the Wal Mart of the seas reputation, it wont. I don't go there either unless I can't find what I need anywhere else. Now they don't have what I need I have no reason to go back on Carnival again. But all those gloating about it remember this. The same balcony I paid $699 for on RCL last Sept. is $500 more this Sept. People on the RCL boards said it wouldn't happen then, just like those gloating now are saying. So happy cruising!

[Sailor_Sally]

No survey was given to me or any of the other 20 cruisers we cruised with in May :confused: don't know. But I did write to Carnival and your suggestion is a good one.

 

If you are a smoker and you are unhappy about this then write directly to Carnival. Posting here does nothing. Remember, it was the whiners writing to Carnival that created this so obviously Carnival reads it's mail/email.

 

What really caused this was the high insurance rates for allowing smoking on balconies after the Princess cruise line had a fire caused by a cigarette . I bet the other cruise lines will be doing the same by Jan. 2015

[Out to sea!]

Eventually, someone is going to drop their phone or camera by taking a picture of someone smoking on a balcony.

 

If someone really wants to get a great picture of someone smoking on their balcony... well, they can always attach a GoPro to a GoPole and use Photo Burst a few times at 30 images per 3 seconds.

 

Except they have to lean around the partition to take said picture.

[EZ4]

OK. This is interesting. A friend of mine just cancelled her Breeze cruise in January. It had nothing to do with the new smoking rules. She's a TA so I don't know who she was talking to on the phone, but the lady asked if she really wanted to cancel the cruise or just pay the $250 to be able to smoke on her balcony. WTH??!!!!

[BIGA961]

They must have a lot of folks calling and complaining or canceling because I called Carnival with a question about my booking and was on hold for about 20 minutes.

 

I called today and got right through. The math would indicate that the less than 20 percent of the population who still smoke wouldn't tie up their phone lines, it could be the over 80% who is calling to book now that Carnival has made a wise choice:D

Edited July 9, 2014 by BIGA961

[chris330r]

With glass enclosed balconies, could you imagine the smell of the cabin? It would be like walking into the casino. I don't see it as a viable option.

 

True. Which in theory, would also mean going back to having 'smoking cabins' again, which I think would probably still be a good idea just to keep both parties happy and a middle ground compromise.

 

That is if smokers aren't bothered with having a smoke smelly room, I think the glass enclosed balconies would be a perfect solution.

[Out to sea!]

I guess so if you are parked in an isolated area

 

However if you are in a state park ) I some states) or a private RV park that bans smoking etc. you cannot light up

 

My point is that smoking in most privately owned areas and very many public spaces is and will continue to be severely limited so it really is something for smokers to consider going forward.

 

That is to expect to be told you cannot smoke

 

On jones beach in ny where anything has been known to go in the past there are huge signs saying "radio free zone". Smoking is not an issue as it is a state park with only certain designated smoking areas

 

My guess is about 1 in50 beach goers ignore the smoking rule at jones. On a huge beach not an issue

IMHO and yes I am well aware that certain areas if the state park allow smoking but trust me not the entire beach

 

Next up someone will say they have a right to sit on a public sidewalk and drink a beer. Um no it's call the open container law. So don't do it

 

Smoke at home in your car ( but not if the car is on state property) smoke wherever it is allowed but don't be upset when you find out smoking is not allowed in most places

 

Just like middle income people moving to low tax states so should smokers if it is that important to you

 

It is not brain surgery. It is doing what you feel best for yourself.

 

 

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I already live in Florida. We don;t have many of the stupid laws that they have up north.

[firemanbobswife]

OK. This is interesting. A friend of mine just cancelled her Breeze cruise in January. It had nothing to do with the new smoking rules. She's a TA so I don't know who she was talking to on the phone, but the lady asked if she really wanted to cancel the cruise or just pay the $250 to be able to smoke on her balcony. WTH??!!!!

 

Maybe this will be the new money maker for Carnival? You get a sticker for your S&S card saying you get to smoke on your balcony now after paying the $250? Look under Shore Excursions right next to FTTF. LOL!!:rolleyes:

[halos]

Well, apparently ENOUGH "whiners" have written in to make Carnival change its policy....and only now are SOME smokers whining about it. So, here's what I suggest: instead of going on about how non-smokers have pissed on the smoker's parade, I suggest smokers contact Carnival and express their displeasure. If ENOUGH people let them know how they feel, perhaps they'll change the policy back.

 

Lets see if smokers have the male wear-with-all to try and do something about it. If it's REALLY that important to them as it is to the non-smokers, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

Oh, and I've cruise 46 times (I admit not all on Carnival) and, with the exception of one cruise, I've filled out a survey for every one....including ALL of my Carnival sailings.

 

People from either end can scream, rant or rave until they turn blue....the decision CCL or any line makes is because of this $$$$$$$

MONEY and PROFITS are what cause decisions and changes to be made and obviously smokers cost the lines far too much in insurance. Blaming non smokers may make you feel better, but it isn't realistic.

[hftmrock]

Maybe this will be the new money maker for Carnival? You get a sticker for your S&S card saying you get to smoke on your balcony now after paying the $250? Look under Shore Excursions right next to FTTF. LOL!!:rolleyes:

 

not just $250

 

c) Smoking is prohibited in all public areas except in designated exterior open deck areas, certain night clubs, and designated areas in the casino. All staterooms and suite accommodations are an entirely smoke free environment, including the outside balcony (Effective October 9, 2014). Guest agrees to strictly comply with Carnival’s non-smoking policy. Guest further acknowledges and agrees that any violation of this policy shall, in the sole discretion of Carnival, constitute a material breach of this cruise contract. In the event of such breach, Guest forfeits all rights hereunder, including the right to remain on board. Carnival reserves the right to disembark the Guest(s), at any port, as determined by Carnival. Carnival shall not be liable for any refund or other compensation or damages whatsoever to any Guest disembarked pursuant to this provision, or who disembarks because another Guest is so disembarked, and all such Guests forfeit all rights under Carnival’s “Vacation Guarantee.” Guest and Carnival further agree that any violation of the non-smoking policy would also cause Carnival to incur damages, including but not limited to, loss of Guest goodwill, revenue, cleaning, maintenance and/or other costs. Guest and Carnival expressly acknowledge the difficulty of ascertaining the amount of such damages, and therefore agree that a reasonable estimate of the damages for any violation of the non-smoking policy is $250 USD. Guest authorizes a charge in this amount as liquidated damages, as well as repatriation expenses (including airfare) against Guest’s on board charge account, without further notice, for any violation of the non-smoking policy.

[Mom33]

I already live in Florida. We don;t have many of the stupid laws that they have up north.

 

So do I and we have plenty of no smoking regulations here.:D

[firemanbobswife]

not just $250

 

c) Smoking is prohibited in all public areas except in designated exterior open deck areas, certain night clubs, and designated areas in the casino. All staterooms and suite accommodations are an entirely smoke free environment, including the outside balcony (Effective October 9, 2014). Guest agrees to strictly comply with Carnival’s non-smoking policy. Guest further acknowledges and agrees that any violation of this policy shall, in the sole discretion of Carnival, constitute a material breach of this cruise contract. In the event of such breach, Guest forfeits all rights hereunder, including the right to remain on board. Carnival reserves the right to disembark the Guest(s), at any port, as determined by Carnival. Carnival shall not be liable for any refund or other compensation or damages whatsoever to any Guest disembarked pursuant to this provision, or who disembarks because another Guest is so disembarked, and all such Guests forfeit all rights under Carnival’s “Vacation Guarantee.” Guest and Carnival further agree that any violation of the non-smoking policy would also cause Carnival to incur damages, including but not limited to, loss of Guest goodwill, revenue, cleaning, maintenance and/or other costs. Guest and Carnival expressly acknowledge the difficulty of ascertaining the amount of such damages, and therefore agree that a reasonable estimate of the damages for any violation of the non-smoking policy is $250 USD. Guest authorizes a charge in this amount as liquidated damages, as well as repatriation expenses (including airfare) against Guest’s on board charge account, without further notice, for any violation of the non-smoking policy.

 

OK. This is interesting. A friend of mine just cancelled her Breeze cruise in January. It had nothing to do with the new smoking rules. She's a TA so I don't know who she was talking to on the phone, but the lady asked if she really wanted to cancel the cruise or just pay the $250 to be able to smoke on her balcony. WTH??!!!!

 

Yes, I know. I was making a joke about the other posters comments suggesting that Carnival will let you smoke by paying the $250. Rest easy, I don't smoke and don't get balconies on Carnival not because of that, but because of the rude balcony door slammers I have encountered. Now if only they would ban those people too!!!

[Out to sea!]

OK. This is interesting. A friend of mine just cancelled her Breeze cruise in January. It had nothing to do with the new smoking rules. She's a TA so I don't know who she was talking to on the phone, but the lady asked if she really wanted to cancel the cruise or just pay the $250 to be able to smoke on her balcony. WTH??!!!!

 

Just another Carnival rep who doesn't know what she is talking about. Nothing new. :D

 

But if your friend chose the later option, I'd get a receipt and something in writing.

[LMaxwell]

So do I and we have plenty of no smoking regulations here.:D

Schools are smoke free zones

Libraries

Parks

Public beaches

I am in FL as well; there is quite a bit of smoking regulation. More to come.

 

If your home shares common walls with other units, such as an apartment, condo, or townhome, there may be restrictions by your HOA.

 

Many work places also forbid smoking anywhere on their grounds, so stepping outside isn't enough anymore.

 

I smoked 15 years and quit. Fine. Someone wants to smoke and harm themselves, no problem. I don't get the people in this thread claiming smoking is not harmful. It's not 1940. It's 2014. Thankfully we have medical science to enlighten us that yes, smoking is very detrimental to ones health. It takes a real certain type to think that smoking is not harmful to oneself.