Copper need your help please - a new twist that inquiring minds want to know about

[kazu]

A friend just got off the Prinsendam and said that Tim Roberts told them that a new captain will be coming on board as he hasn't done a certain itinerary before. Please forgive the wording as it is probably incorrect but Captain Roberts said that he would be stepping aside to let another Captain train on the Prinsendam.

 

Apparently Captain Roberts will go to another ship?

 

Do you know anything about this and can you help with whom it would be and when?

 

Thank you very much.

 

[rafinmd]

Say it isn't so. Please!

 

Roy

[kazu]

Say it isn't so. Please!

 

Roy

 

A fellow cruiser was told this by Captain Roberts at the mariner reception when they were speaking to him. Hoping to get to the bottom of it.

 

I have the same concerns as you

[WpgCruise]

This is only my opinion of course, but is it really correct to ask an employee to pass along any information or speculation on personnel appointments in their organization?

 

I think if H.A.L. wants to share that information they will, but to ask an employee who often shares their knowledge about their life and job to do so may well put that employee at odds with his employers Code of Conduct.

[sapper1]

This is only my opinion of course, but is it really correct to ask an employee to pass along any information or speculation on personnel appointments in their organization?

 

I think if H.A.L. wants to share that information they will, but to ask an employee who often shares their knowledge about their life and job to do so may well put that employee at odds with his employers Code of Conduct.

 

Copper routinely lets us know who our captains will be if we ask. If it were a state secret and not allowed then he wouldn't do it. Worry pas.

[RJ2002]

This is only my opinion of course, but is it really correct to ask an employee to pass along any information or speculation on personnel appointments in their organization?

 

I think if H.A.L. wants to share that information they will, but to ask an employee who often shares their knowledge about their life and job to do so may well put that employee at odds with his employers Code of Conduct.

 

I hear what you're saying. I retired from a large, well known corporation. This sort of broadcasting by anyone other than the corporation's public affairs or HR group would not have been endorsed or tolerated. I will say I've seen these sorts of postings on other forums (NCL comes to mind), but I don't believe it is employees who are posting the information. However, I do agree that Copper is likely not releasing any information that HAL doesn't want publicly known.

Edited August 2, 2014 by RJ2002

[kazu]

I hear what you're saying. I retired from a large, well known corporation. This sort of broadcasting by anyone other than the corporation's public affairs or HR group would not have been endorsed or tolerated. I will say I've seen these sorts of postings on other forums (NCL comes to mind), but I don't believe it is employees who are posting the information. However, I do agree that Copper is likely not releasing any information that HAL doesn't want publicly known.

 

There have been numerous threads for Copper where people have asked who the captain is, the HD, whomever. This is not the first.

 

I knew who the captain was as I was given the schedule last year on the Prinsendam and told by Captain Andre that I could post it on CC on my live thread (which I did). However, now, there is an unanticipated change. Since we are scheduled to be on the Prinsendam for 30 days in less than 7 weeks, then inquiring minds would indeed like to know.

 

If, for whatever reason Copper cannot help, that is understandable. But if the captain of the Prinsendam said the schedule could be published, then I don't think I am asking for any breach of confidentiality.

 

If I did, I wouldn't ask.

[Lizzie68]

This is only my opinion of course, but is it really correct to ask an employee to pass along any information or speculation on personnel appointments in their organization?

 

I think if H.A.L. wants to share that information they will, but to ask an employee who often shares their knowledge about their life and job to do so may well put that employee at odds with his employers Code of Conduct.

 

I tend to agree with you and if this were the "real" business world it would be a no-no, but obviously not in the cruising industry. I once posted something similar and was roundly taken to task. Copper posts regularly, and provides the complete list of Captain, Hotel Director, whoever you want to know. And he corrects erroneous information on who is on which ship when. Just go back a page or two and look for "Question for Copper-10" -

[sail7seas]

Let's give Copper enough credit and respect to know if he should not be sharing this information, he would not be doing so. I don't think he needs us to suggest his proper code of conduct, though I do understand your point.

 

Copper is clearly circumspect in what he posts and threads he avoids entirely.

 

[Linda&Vern]

Okay, I guess because I have not cruised the Prinsendam I don't understand this thread. Is there something bad about staff changing on this ship? Can someone enlighten me?

[sail7seas]

Some people have cruised a particular ship with a particular Captain or Bar Manager or Hotel Director etc to have formed casual acquaintance or friendships and we enjoying sailing again with our particular Officer friend. After 80+ cruises, if you are the least bit social, you make friends. Some Captains are more visible and out and about and some are rarely out around the ship. Some have particular preferences that some guests like more than others.

 

ALL HAL Captains are perfectly competent and able but sometimes it's just a personality thing or mutual interest etc

 

[RJ2002]

Copper is clearly circumspect in what he posts and threads he avoids entirely.

 

Agree completely. That's why I said this in my earlier post....

 

However, I do agree that Copper is likely not releasing any information that HAL doesn't want publicly known.

 

In addition, it should not be a surprise that someone at HAL probably reads this forum as well. Highly unlikely Copper is conveying any information that he should not.

[Vict0riann]

Copper may still be in Alaska? He doesn't usually post while cruising....?

[Linda&Vern]

Some people have cruised a particular ship with a particular Captain or Bar Manager or Hotel Director etc to have formed casual acquaintance or friendships and we enjoying sailing again with our particular Officer friend. After 80+ cruises, if you are the least bit social, you make friends. Some Captains are more visible and out and about and some are rarely out around the ship. Some have particular preferences that some guests like more than others.

 

ALL HAL Captains are perfectly competent and able but sometimes it's just a personality thing or mutual interest etc

Ok - now I understand. For whatever reason I was reading it as a very bad thing to lose the Captain on the Prinsendam - making it seem that this ship could only have certain officers. In reality, I guess this post was the same as several people asking who the Hotel Mgr or CD, etc. is on their upcoming cruise. I think I didn't have enough coffee this morning. :eek:

[sail7seas]

Ok - now I understand. For whatever reason I was reading it as a very bad thing to lose the Captain on the Prinsendam - making it seem that this ship could only have certain officers. In reality, I guess this post was the same as several people asking who the Hotel Mgr or CD, etc. is on their upcoming cruise. I think I didn't have enough coffee this morning. :eek:

 

 

 

No Problem.

 

It was a very reasonable question. :)

 

[HokiePoq]

I would imagine HAL captains change periodically, just to get their allotted leave, wouldn't they? Perhaps this is the case. I've been on back to backs where captains change. Does the Prisendam always have the same captain?

Edited August 2, 2014 by HokiePoq

[rafinmd]

I would imagine HAL captains change periodically, just to get their allotted leave, wouldn't they? Perhaps this is the case. I've been on back to backs where captains change. Does the Prisendam always have the same captain?

 

Absolutely they do change. I think ships on most cruise lines (HAL included) have 2 captains per ship who rotate between command and vaction at roughly 2-3 month intervals. I think this is normally scheduled well in advance, and in post #5 Kazu mentions that she was given a schedule by one of Prinsendam's normal Captains. What she is inquiring about in post #1 is an apparent change to that schedule.

 

Roy

[Krazy Kruizers]

Okay, I guess because I have not cruised the Prinsendam I don't understand this thread. Is there something bad about staff changing on this ship? Can someone enlighten me?

 

Ok - now I understand. For whatever reason I was reading it as a very bad thing to lose the Captain on the Prinsendam - making it seem that this ship could only have certain officers. In reality, I guess this post was the same as several people asking who the Hotel Mgr or CD, etc. is on their upcoming cruise. I think I didn't have enough coffee this morning. :eek:

 

 

I very, very rarely threads dealing with "Who will be the captain, HD, etc. because I really don't care who we have.

For the last few years we rarely have had the same captain , HD, etc. on the same ship.

So many new captains, CD"s, etc.

Is it really important who drives the ship?

[kazu]

I very, very rarely threads dealing with "Who will be the captain, HD, etc. because I really don't care who we have.

For the last few years we rarely have had the same captain , HD, etc. on the same ship.

So many new captains, CD"s, etc.

Is it really important who drives the ship?

 

Well, I guess you had better start looking if you haven't seen them! :p

 

I would have copied and pasted more threads for your reference but my fingers and wrist can only handle so much.

 

There have been lots of these questions and I fail to see why none of these were ever questioned and my thread is.

 

My question is a legitimate one. I don't know if it affects my cruise or not and I would like to. Is it important? YES, it is to me and several others on our roll call.

 

The Prinsendam is not a Vista or S and R ship where anyone can just jump in and take over. She's a horse of a different colour and if a new captain is coming yes, I would like to know whether it affects my cruise or not.

 

We happen to like the Prinsendam and follow her. Her captains don't change very often (heck Captain Gundersen was with her from the day she was launched by another line until the day he retired).

 

there have been dozens of these threads in the last very few months - these threads below are very recent. There's lots more but my wrist can't handle doing the search work for people that seem to think this is something new.

 

I'm really surprised that such an avid reader of the boards may have missed these or just doesn't choose to read them (so why this one?) and what I find even more surprising is that a simple question which was important to some of us has been trivialized. I guess there must be a full moon out tonight. It was an honest question with no malice intended and certainly no malice expected. I guess I had better not ask questions anymore

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2077805&highlight=copper

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2068473&highlight=copper

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2052682&highlight=copper

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2051883&highlight=copper

Edited August 2, 2014 by kazu

[sail7seas]

I would imagine HAL captains change periodically, just to get their allotted leave, wouldn't they? Perhaps this is the case. I've been on back to backs where captains change. Does the Prisendam always have the same captain?

 

 

 

Yes, of course, the Captains have time off.

Their usual rotation is three months on and three months off. They need

to rest from their stressful work the same as everyone else. They also have families. :)

 

HAL has two Captains for all their ships and they rotate on and off. There are also floating Captains in case of illness, accident, family emergency, conferences, training and the like.

 

Captains also usually stay on the same ship for a few years but ultimately they move around. It is usual for Captains to be reassigned every so often.

 

[kazu]

Yes, of course, the Captains have time off.

Their usual rotation is three months on and three months off. They need

to rest from their stressful work the same as everyone else. They also have families. :)

 

HAL has two Captains for all their ships and they rotate on and off. There are also floating Captains in case of illness, accident, family emergency, conferences, training and the like.

 

Captains also usually stay on the same ship for a few years but ultimately they move around. It is usual for Captains to be reassigned every so often.

 

 

Sail, I am quoting you only to clarify. The question I posed to Copper is not a typical reassignment. This is not the case. It is a temporary situation as I understood it from what was relayed to me and that's why I was hoping for clarification. It's not a matter of new captain to be there permanently but one who has not done certain itineraries and wants experience as I understood it.

 

Prinsendam does not change captains often. In fact you can probably list them on less than 10 fingers. Captain Albert (whose blog many love and follow) was with the Prinsendam for some time. Captain Gundersen who recently retired was with the ship since the day she was launched (with another cruise line) and stayed with her until his retirement. When Captain Andre was ill, rather than bring in another Captain that does not know the ship, Captain Gundersen came out of retirement to command the ship until Captain Andre was well enough to take over again. rafinmd reported this I believe on his live thread.

 

So, to me, this situation is a bit different. I thought Prinsendam aficionados would be interested and want to know - not just myself.

 

 

 

 

 

Copper may still be in Alaska? He doesn't usually post while cruising....?

 

thanks Vict0riann - I should have thought of that :o Appreciate the help.

Edited August 2, 2014 by kazu

[Linda&Vern]

Well, I guess you had better start looking if you haven't seen them! :p

 

I would have copied and pasted more threads for your reference but my fingers and wrist can only handle so much.

 

There have been lots of these questions and I fail to see why none of these were ever questioned and my thread is.

 

My question is a legitimate one. I don't know if it affects my cruise or not and I would like to. Is it important? YES, it is to me and several others on our roll call.

 

The Prinsendam is not a Vista or S and R ship where anyone can just jump in and take over. She's a horse of a different colour and if a new captain is coming yes, I would like to know whether it affects my cruise or not.

 

We happen to like the Prinsendam and follow her. Her captains don't change very often (heck Captain Gundersen was with her from the day she was launched by another line until the day he retired).

 

there have been dozens of these threads in the last very few months - these threads below are very recent. There's lots more but my wrist can't handle doing the search work for people that seem to think this is something new.

 

I'm really surprised that such an avid reader of the boards may have missed these or just doesn't choose to read them (so why this one?) and what I find even more surprising is that a simple question which was important to some of us has been trivialized. I guess there must be a full moon out tonight. It was an honest question with no malice intended and certainly no malice expected. I guess I had better not ask questions anymore

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2077805&highlight=copper

 

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2068473&highlight=copper

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2052682&highlight=copper

 

http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=2051883&highlight=copper

Jacqui -- I think KK simply left a word out of the first sentence of her comment. She was probably saying "I rarely read these types of threads" ... not "I rarely see these types of threads" - which is what I think you assume she meant?

Edited August 2, 2014 by Linda&Vern

[PathfinderEss]

Totally understand your concern. I always like to know who has the helm of the ships I am on, but for a little different reason then you. Over the years we have met some really nice crew members on Hal ships and it always fun to catch up with them. Of course we have our favorite.

Your concern come from a little different direction but certainly more important then friendships, as you said the Prinsendam is a different kind of ship, requiring a different kind of hand at her helm. I can see where your concerns lye and I hope you can get some answers.

[kazu]

Jacqui -- I think KK simply left a word out of the first sentence of her comment. She was probably saying "I rarely read these types of threads" ... not "I rarely see these types of threads" - which is what I think you assume she meant?

 

well you know what happens when we assume ;) and yes.

 

Totally understand your concern. I always like to know who has the helm of the ships I am on, but for a little different reason then you. Over the years we have met some really nice crew members on Hal ships and it always fun to catch up with them. Of course we have our favorite.

Your concern come from a little different direction but certainly more important then friendships, as you said the Prinsendam is a different kind of ship, requiring a different kind of hand at her helm. I can see where your concerns lye and I hope you can get some answers.

 

thank you Melodie. :)

Edited August 2, 2014 by kazu

[Lizzie68]

I very, very rarely threads dealing with "Who will be the captain, HD, etc. because I really don't care who we have.

 

For the last few years we rarely have had the same captain , HD, etc. on the same ship.

 

So many new captains, CD"s, etc.

 

Is it really important who drives the ship?

 

 

You must have missed the many, many, many other threads asking Copper who is on what where and when, KK. I have seen loads of them on a regular basis, and never have they drawn such criticism. Is this "let's get Kazu day?":confused:

Edited August 2, 2014 by Lizzie68