This Thread Is To Be Used For All Discussions About HAL's On Board Smoking Policies

[waASPCrusier]

Well said. Someone put a photo of a HAL ship passing their ship just a month or two ago and there was a LOT of black smoke belching from the funnel. But of course, this doesn't affect those with allergies to smoke:cool:

 

Forget the smoke, have you ever seen the good sized black flecks on the rear upper decks....

[cruz chic]

Well said. Someone put a photo of a HAL ship passing their ship just a month or two ago and there was a LOT of black smoke belching from the funnel. But of course, this doesn't affect those with allergies to smoke:cool:

 

And then there are people that smoke but claim to be allergic to perfume. That is a real head scratcher if I've ever heard one.

[cruz chic]

I think those who suffer and are concerned about their health by a whiff of smoke of a cigarette should stay at home, FUNNEL smoke is much stronger. And they can't get away from that one.

 

I am only concerned about their health.

 

I believe the same should apply to smoker that is allergic to perfume.

[chrispb]

And then there are people that smoke but claim to be allergic to perfume. That is a real head scratcher if I've ever heard one.

 

Now, now, you know we mustn't bring perfume and obesity into this thread - do you really want to go to the naughty corner?:)

Edited December 10, 2014 by chrispb

[cruz chic]

Now, now, you know we mustn't bring perfume and obesity into this thread - do you really want to go to the naughty corner?:)

 

I never get out of the naughty corner:D;). What's a good smoking thread without perfume?

[cbr663]

I think those who suffer and are concerned about their health by a whiff of smoke of a cigarette should stay at home, FUNNEL smoke is much stronger. And they can't get away from that one.

 

I am only concerned about their health.

 

This is a very real concern and one of the reasons why the cruise industry is being forced to switch to more expensive fuels. A cruise ship carrying 3000 people (passengers and crews) generates and emits air pollutants equivalent to 12,000 automobiles every day.

[SteveH2508]

I never get out of the naughty corner:D;). What's a good smoking thread without perfume?

 

You/others forgot to mention farts/BO/curry/garlic etc. as other obnoxious smells that some find objectionable:rolleyes:.

 

I could mention dogs and their associated 'emissions' but the other thread seems to have that angle covered:rolleyes:.

[ODECCIT]

Sooner or later HAL will become a part of the 21st Century.

I never though 21st century would be smoke free. If you don't like smoke don't go to smoking area. Problem solved.

Edited December 10, 2014 by ODECCIT

[ODECCIT]

I agree very much with your point about the medical costs of smoking. This is a real concern. I hate to be one who once again puts a damper on the fun of cruising and eating, but the medical costs of obesity resulting in heart disease, etc., is also very significant. I am definitely not saying that smoking is not a huge consequence, but let's be real here. There are many things we do as human beings that are not good for us. Do you know if the person next to you is only having a cigarette or two on a cruise and not causing him/herself or others harm? We all do things that are not good for us, including drinking too much. I wish we could all be more tolerant of each other and more considerate--and I do speak to those who smoke, mostly. I think it's only fair to non-smokers that we not smoke inside where they have to inhale it, and I think we smokers should ALWAYS be considerate of those on balconies adjoining us. It really doesn't have to be a big fight over this. I would agree with HAL banning any indoor smoking, as this seems to make sense (regardless of the fact that I would like to smoke indoor and in the casino). Can I hear an equally generous reaction from the nonsmokers? :)

sorry posted by mistake

Edited December 10, 2014 by ODECCIT

[Lizzie68]

I believe the same should apply to smoker that is allergic to perfume.

 

Totally! Though they say they wear a mask to avoid sniffing the perfume. I guess they have to take it off to smoke however.:D

 

Oops, thread drift. sorry about that.

Edited December 10, 2014 by Lizzie68

[sail7seas]

I never though 21st century would be smoke free. If you don't like smoking don't go to smoking area. Problem solved.

 

The main gist of this thread is about HAL permitting smoking on cabin verandahs. Problem is not solved by telling neighbors of smokers to not book or use their verandah. Each time we book a verandah, we take the chance smokers on either side of us could make it impossible for us to enjoy. I will not sail without a verandah. I'd rather save longer, if necessary, and have the cabin in which I am most comfortable.

 

Edited December 10, 2014 by sail7seas

[ODECCIT]

The main gist of this thread is about HAL permitting smoking on cabin verandahs. Problem is not solved by telling neighbors of smokers to not book or use their verandah. Each time we book a verandah, we take the chance smokers on either side of us could make it impossible for us to enjoy. I will not sail without a verandah. I'd rather save longer, if necessary, and have the cabin in which I am most comfortable.

 

Little hint for you. Smokers next door paid for their verandah as well and want to enjoy it and smoke on it. HAL should just make one side of the ship smoking and other smoke free for verandah cabins. Problem solved.

[sail7seas]

Little hint for you. Smokers next door paid for their verandah as well and want to enjoy it and smoke on it. HAL should just make one side of the ship smoking and other smoke free for verandah cabins. Problem solved.

 

No news flash. :D :D

 

Were the problem solved that simply.........

There aren't enough smokers left in the adult North American population (which populate the vast majority of mass market cruise lines) to make one side of ship smoking viable. It is under 20% last I heard.

 

You keep saying "Problem Solved" and I wish you were correct but you need to keep thinking about it. You just might find a solution but you haven't yet. :)

[taxmantoo]

Little hint for you. Smokers next door paid for their verandah as well and want to enjoy it and smoke on it. HAL should just make one side of the ship smoking and other smoke free for verandah cabins. Problem solved.

 

Little hint for you! This has been suggested maybe hundreds of times on these threads and proven to be ineffective, unrealistic and downright ridiculous at least twice as many times. :rolleyes:

[ODECCIT]

No news flash. :D :D

 

Were the problem solved that simply.........

There aren't enough smokers left in the adult North American population (which populate the vast majority of mass market cruise lines) to make one side of ship smoking viable. It is under 20% last I heard.

 

You keep saying "Problem Solved" and I wish you were correct but you need to keep thinking about it. You just might find a solution but you haven't yet. :)

You'll be surprised that in reality it's more than 20%. I don't smoke, but I go on vacation I smoke cigars, so I would book smoking balcony instead of non smoking.

[sail7seas]

You'll be surprised that in reality it's more than 20%. I don't smoke, but I go on vacation I smoke cigars, so I would book smoking balcony instead of non smoking.

 

I accept those numbers which are reported regularly as being very close to accurate..... certainly close enough ball park numbers.

 

[cruiseing marly]

Cigar smoking should not be allowed on any deck! Ten time worse then cigarette smoke !

 

 

 

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[ODECCIT]

Cigar smoking should not be allowed on any deck! Ten time worse then cigarette smoke !

 

 

 

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And why is it 10X worse? Are you an expert?

[Sow There]

No news flash. :D :D

 

...There aren't enough smokers left in the adult North American population (which populate the vast majority of mass market cruise lines) to make one side of ship smoking viable. It is under 20% last I heard...

See the link for the current CDC statistics. (18.1% of all over 18 are smokers.) Link: CDC Smoking Stats

 

That said, HAL, and every other cruise line operating today, are unwilling to walk away from that 18.1%, especially the 25 to 64 year old demographic.

 

The dilemma as I see it is how the cruise lines can accommodate both the smokers and those who are antismoking activists peacefully. Perhaps the cruise lines can do what the airlines did back in the day where smoking was permitted only in the back of the plane. People can reserve any cabin anywhere but must limit their smoking to only the cabins in the back of the ship.

 

However those who like the "wake view" cabins who also are antismoking activists would be frustrated if the "back of the ship" policy were in force.

 

I, personally, don't smoke. Never did. But I spent many years working in office buildings that permitted smoking (most, if not all, office buildings had no smoking limitations until the early 90's) and I suppose I gave it little thought. We've been cruising since the mid-80's and have never found smoking on board to be a problem to us.

 

However as suggested earlier, the nasty black smoke belching out of the ship's funnels has always bothered us to the point that we don't use the pools at the back of the ship (both the offensive stench and the black flakes that land on the white towels and in the pools are off-putting).

 

I, frankly, don't think that any cruise line will voluntarily prohibit smoking on boards;at least until the percentage of active smokers in their market declines substantially.

 

The solution that would satisfy the antismoking activists without losing the business of that 18.1% who smoke is elusive. A statistic that would be very useful would be the percentage of the 81.9% who don't smoke who are antismoking activists. I don't know how that statistic could be credibly determined.

[Sow There]

And why is it 10X worse? Are you an expert?

I would say Bunker C diesel fuel smoke is 10 times worse than cigar smoke. But with regard to a comparison between cigarette and cigar (or pipe or cannabis) smoke and/or between engine exhaust and any form of tobacco smoke, the relative "worseness" is totally subjective and not capable of measurement.

 

I happen to like the aroma of many pipe tobaccos and a few, not many, cigars, but I have no idea whether the second hand smoke is more or less dangerous. I just know I don't like the diesel exhaust fumes at all. That's why we book forward veranda cabins whenever we can.

[cbr663]

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See the link for the current CDC statistics. (18.1% of all over 18 are smokers.) Link: CDC Smoking Stats

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Thanks for providing that link. What is interesting is that of adults aged 45 and above, which I think most of us can agree form a large proportion of HAL's customers, 28.4% are smokers. Of course, the percentage of HAL's customers that are smokers is proprietary information, but if it resembles the proportion of the general population then that is a large number that HAL is wise to accommodate.

[waASPCrusier]

See the link for the current CDC statistics. (18.1% of all over 18 are smokers.) Link: CDC Smoking Stats

 

 

That number gets thrown out here all the time, unfortunately cruisers aren't really just a small version of that. It could be argued both ways that the number doesn't apply. That number includes a great many people whose Socioeconomic status is lower than what you expect on a cruise line and that tends to be a higher % of smokers. Or the other route, that HAL has lots of old passengers that are smokers.

 

If I go to my local University and poll how many people drink I am guessing it will be higher than the national average.

 

Stats are very rarely used correctly.

[CRUZBUDS]

Carnival estimated that a bit over 10% of their passengers are smokers.

 

Remember the general population counts a lot of poor people. The poor and uneducated smoke far more than people with money/education. The statistics are pretty clear on that.

 

You don't run into a lot of poor folks on HAL -- or any cruise ship for that matter.

 

Do what the rest of the industry has already done, and ban balcony smoking... problem solved ;)

 

Anyone who really thinks that isn't coming to HAL is in denile

[waASPCrusier]

Carnival estimated that a bit over 10% of their passengers are smokers.

 

Remember the general population counts a lot of poor people. The poor and uneducated smoke far more than people with money/education. The statistics are pretty clear on that.

 

You don't run into a lot of poor folks on HAL -- or any cruise ship for that matter.

 

Do what the rest of the industry has already done, and ban balcony smoking... problem solved ;)

 

Anyone who really thinks that isn't coming to HAL is in denile

 

 

Solves problem for the people on the balcony, not for the rest of us. I am fine with the amount of smoking on the outside decks of HAL. Very easy for me to avoid it, now take away balcony smoking and more smokers are going to go to those outside areas, who knows maybe they will even create more outside areas. Now I will have more areas on the ship that I will have to avoid. Sorry but if you book a balcony on HAL knowing the policy, like many on here do, you are taking a gamble, not one I would make with my money, but to each their own.

[ODECCIT]

I accept those numbers which are reported regularly as being very close to accurate..... certainly close enough ball park numbers.

 

Reported by who? CC boards?