2 possible EBOLA patients on MAGIC

[Orison]

What is the reason the ship was not allowed to port at Cozumel? Did the Mexicans refuse the ship due to ebola hysteria?

 

I have a Princess cruise booked for Jan. 18, leaving from Houston. Cozumel is one port,in addition to Belize. When I look at Princess web site to check prices on this cruise, there is no information at all. All sailings of the Emerald Princess are displaying no pricing information.

 

Does anyone think the cruise lines are trying to find new ports to stop at if countries start barring ships with Americans onboard?

 

Makes you wonder. Had they successfully debarked and sent those two home through Belize, would the ship have been allowed to dock in Cozumel?

[snorkelman]

Makes you wonder. Had they successfully debarked and sent those two home through Belize, would the ship have been allowed to dock in Cozumel?

 

I suspect if Carnival was able to display their staff wearing haz-mat suits while treating them and escorting them off the ship, then maybe.

 

Who was the lucky stateroom attendant?

[Orison]

That seems odd. Carnival did nothing wrong so why should they provide any monetary compensation? Maybe the CDC or the Obama administration should pick up the tab. This whole Ebola thing continues to get "curioser and curiouser".

 

Are the airlines giving passengers any compensation or is it just the cruiseline?

 

Nothing more than PR. Had it not made the news, they would have probably gotten $20.

[Orison]

I suspect if Carnival was able to display their staff wearing haz-mat suits while treating them and escorting them off the ship, then maybe.

 

Who was the lucky stateroom attendant?

 

Cruise law news is reporting a massive scrub down. What do you scrub when there's nothing?

[Casco Bay Kid]

I would be more afraid of drinking the water in Mexico than getting Ebola.

 

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[magicolor_girl]

You must have a crystal ball to be able to look into the future to make such a claim!

 

Really? Do you think there are no historical statistics regarding deaths from flu and ebola? According to WHO, 250,000 to 500,000 people die annually from flu. From 1976 to 2012, a total of 1,590 died from ebola. 250,000 PER YEAR for influenza, and 1,590 in 26 years from ebola. Fact. No crystal ball necessary.

[snorkelman]

Cruise law news is reporting a massive scrub down. What do you scrub when there's nothing?

 

^^ That guy makes his money suing cruise lines. His website enhances the fear factor and encourages lawsuits. I suggest that you do not use that as a reputable source.

[Roatanfans]

Was Belize the first scheduled stop on the cruise? Just curious if the couple got off the ship prior to her deciding to self quarantine.

 

Roatan, Honduras was the first stop- they were there before all of this came to light. My friends in Roatan are quite upset as the ship docked and rumors are swirling that the passenger may have gotten off the ship there!

[caribill]

All this is gonna do is have some CCL person at the check in Counter with a thermometer taking temps.

 

Just like the man from Africa who came to Dallas and later died from Ebola, anyone who is infected but not yet showing symptoms will have a normal temperature at boarding time.

[caribill]

And they got it. 50% off their next cruise, plus $200 on board credit.

 

I suspect it is 50% based on what they paid for this cruise, not 50% off any fare for a future cruise.

 

This kind of thing is what insurance is for, I'm sure Carnival is covered.

 

I suspect Carnival is self-insured for up to a multi-million dollar amount and that the costs of this episode will not approach that limit.

[caribill]

Cruise law news is reporting a massive scrub down. What do you scrub when there's nothing?

 

It is for show. Passengers for the next cruise will feel better about boarding a decontaminated ship.

[Orison]

^^ That guy makes his money suing cruise lines. His website enhances the fear factor and encourages lawsuits. I suggest that you do not use that as a reputable source.

 

Not looking to it as anything other than the pics someone sent him and he posted.

[untailored bostonian]

So you feel someone who self quarantined and has caused a media sensation should not have their blood tested.

 

Ok whatever but the logical mind realizes that her blood cannot possibly be tested on the ship and regardless of symptoms or not we do not know a thing about anything until her blood tests negative

 

 

She handled the specimens ftlog of course she must be tested.

 

 

 

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Get your facts straight or your tomfoolery will be an impediment to discourse.

 

The CDC contacted CCL and informed them of the passenger. I am sure that the Captain, or his designee spoke with her. That would be a date uncertain. The CDC then concluded they wanted to act in a more restrictive manner, and asked that she be debarked in Belize to board a jet back to the USA. That effort was frustrated by Belize.

 

She is currently confined to her cabin, as is anyone traveling with her. It has been described as a selfless act to volunteering to stay isolated. I suspect she was told she could decide to do this, or she would be required to do this. There is no indication I have seen as to how long this confinement has gone on, but it sounds like it was after the ship first knew of her status, but maybe not before Belize.

 

She had no contact with any of the discharges or blood of Mr. Duncan. It is not clear from any report that she even touche the vials of blood, and I assume we are talking blood here. She is at the end of the period of latency, 21 day, and is Ebola free. A doctor would not test you for flu if you were asymptomatic. The same is true for Ebola.

 

Do you believe that everyone who entered the ER after Mr. Duncan needs to be tested for Ebola? Should all orderlies that may have moved gurneys after his ER visit be tested? What exact criteria would you apply? What is the level of efficacy you believe needs to be employed?

 

You do know that a patient that has no symptoms CANNOT infect anyone? Or are you saying that you know better, and you have to be correct? I assume you would have the ship cancel the next cruise and needlessly spend the week disinfecting the Magic.

 

I also assume you have a debarkation plan for the 4500 pax and crew. Would you share that? Do they all need a blood test too?

[untailored bostonian]

What is the reason the ship was not allowed to port at Cozumel? Did the Mexicans refuse the ship due to ebola hysteria?

 

I have a Princess cruise booked for Jan. 18, leaving from Houston. Cozumel is one port,in addition to Belize. When I look at Princess web site to check prices on this cruise, there is no information at all. All sailings of the Emerald Princess are displaying no pricing information.

 

Does anyone think the cruise lines are trying to find new ports to stop at if countries start barring ships with Americans onboard?

 

Yes, that is the reason.

 

I would find new ports to hurt the economies of those port.

[snorkelman]

Do you believe that everyone who entered the ER after Mr. Duncan needs to be tested for Ebola? Should all orderlies that may have moved gurneys after his ER visit be tested?

 

If any of those folks are scheduled for a cruise departing this weekend, what do you think will happen?

[mom2tcdx2]

Personally I wouldn't be worried. You have to be in very intimate contact to catch Ebola, the person I would be worried if she had it would be her husband. Not the other passengers. You can't just catch it because you touched her or used something she used. I really don't understand the ridiculous hysteria. It is pretty much I understand the same with aids, remember how awful we treated people who had it and now we have learned more over the years.

 

Same thing I have heard with the flu, we should be more worried of getting the flu and dying from it then the Ebola.

[ragethjj]

Lol this is funny

[snorkelman]

... we should be more worried of getting the flu and dying from it then the Ebola.

 

 

really?

 

Ebola has staggering 50% mortality rate. How about the flu?

[nbsjcruiser]

Personally I wouldn't be worried. You have to be in very intimate contact to catch Ebola, the person I would be worried if she had it would be her husband. Not the other passengers. You can't just catch it because you touched her or used something she used. I really don't understand the ridiculous hysteria. It is pretty much I understand the same with aids, remember how awful we treated people who had it and now we have learned more over the years.

 

Same thing I have heard with the flu, we should be more worried of getting the flu and dying from it then the Ebola.

 

It is not just spread by intimate contact. Here are some facts.

 

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?

Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

 

What does “direct contact” mean?

Direct contact means that body fluids (blood, saliva, mucus, vomit, urine, or feces) from an infected person (alive or dead) have touched someone’s eyes, nose, or mouth or an open cut, wound, or abrasion.

 

How long does Ebola live outside the body?

Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

[legion3]

That goes both ways. If she never has symptoms and thus never tests positive, will the fearmongers apologize for being paranoid?

 

No ;)

[cherylandtk]

really?

 

Ebola has staggering 50% mortality rate. How about the flu?

 

Yes, the ebola mortality rate is high, but the incidence rate is incredibly low. You have to have it before you can die from it, and that likelihood is much less from ebola than the flu.

Edited October 17, 2014 by cherylandtk

[Sharonlee912]

I was on the Galveston Carnival Cruise FB page this morning talking to someone on the ship. He said they tendered into Belize and were not allowed to dock in Cozumel. He sent a pic. The ship is to dock tomorrow, one day early in Galveston. According to him, Carnival was going above and beyond for the passengers.

[lazygal]

I feel I'm a victim of the hysteria. 52,000 Americans died from pneumonia last year. Less than 3 days off the Conquest I thought I had the flu. A chest x ray confirmed pneumonia and I was hospitalized after coughing up blood. I was put in isolation against my doctor's wishes and basically held hostage. The pulmonary specialist said it was in the state's hands because of what happened in Texas and because I had traveled to Honduras. They were going to hold me for 21 days. After 7 days and mounting co-pays, no fever, no pain and NO CARE other than an antibiotic IV, I threatened to sue. No staff wanted to enter an isolation room. I was released that day on my Doctor's orders and have been house bound ever since. At least at home I get better care and rest.

 

Wash your hands and stay away from crowded places. That's about all you can do. My employer (the Federal Gov.) is screaming for me to get back to work. Controlling any illness is much easier said than economics allow.

 

The woman on the Magic is not even sick.

[untailored bostonian]

really?

 

Ebola has staggering 50% mortality rate. How about the flu?

 

Actually it is higher. In some outbreaks it has had 90% mortality. There are several strains of the Ebola virus, and a near cousin Marburg all of which kill at different rates.

 

In Africa, where this virus exist, the medical care for those sick with Ebola may be no better than a mother or sister cleaning then while they die. In a community like ours with much higher level of health care I would expect the mortality rate closer to 25%, but that is a guess. I hope we never have a chance to see if I am right.

[MikeM]

Cancelled our next cruise due to this news about the Magic. Thought about it for about an hour. Think we will head over to Ireland for a week or so instead.