2 possible EBOLA patients on MAGIC

[untailored bostonian]

I feel I'm a victim of the hysteria. 52,000 Americans died from pneumonia last year. Less than 3 days off the Conquest I thought I had the flu. A chest x ray confirmed pneumonia and I was hospitalized after coughing up blood. I was put in isolation against my doctor's wishes and basically held hostage. The pulmonary specialist said it was in the state's hands because of what happened in Texas and because I had traveled to Honduras. They were going to hold me for 21 days. After 7 days and mounting co-pays, no fever, no pain and NO CARE other than an antibiotic IV, I threatened to sue. No staff wanted to enter an isolation room. I was released that day on my Doctor's orders and have been house bound ever since. At least at home I get better care and rest.

 

Wash your hands and stay away from crowded places. That's about all you can do. My employer (the Federal Gov.) is screaming for me to get back to work. Controlling any illness is much easier said than economics allow.

 

The woman on the Magic is not even sick.

 

When did you get this flu?

[untailored bostonian]

Cancelled our next cruise due to this news about the Magic. Thought about it for about an hour. Think we will head over to Ireland for a week or so instead.

 

Ebola is as much in Europe as it is in America.

[andy.capitan]

Cancelled our next cruise due to this news about the Magic. Thought about it for about an hour. Think we will head over to Ireland for a week or so instead.

 

Think I would be more concerned about a long distance flight.

[Disconnections]

$200 OBC and 50% off their next cruise for 3600 passengers is a hefty financial impact to Carnival and their reputation. They are still trying to put past mishaps behind them and now another. Eventually we (future cruisers) will absorb those costs. I wouldn't be surprised if thermal scanning similar to what is used in Japan airports will be used before going onboard. Anyone who has a high fever gets additional screening or denied access regardless. Better to be proactive then reactive.

 

We both know the $200 onboard credit is not $200. The only possible way that can be valued at $200 cash money is if you don't spend it onboard and withdraw it from the casino or the GSD. That face value is costing Carnival no more than $75 from onboard spend.

 

For the average guest, their offer of goodwill is commendable. However, if for some reason the reports aren't exactly true that we have put our faith into, I doubt a small monetary amount and a voucher for a discounted cruise will make anyone feel better if they really did contract Ebola.

Edited October 17, 2014 by Disconnections

[lazygal]

When did you get this flu?

 

Oct.5. I was hospitalized Oct.7 after coughing up blood. But it wasn't the flu, it was pneumonia.

[untailored bostonian]

It is not just spread by intimate contact. Here are some facts.

 

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?

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Define intimate here. Yes if you are say 3 feet from an actively sick Ebola patient, then the moist projectiles of that cough will infect you if it gets into your mouth or your eyes. In the case of Ebola, he is less likely to be coughing and sneezing and more likely to be project droplets of vomit.

[BeagleOne]

Cancelled our next cruise due to this news about the Magic. Thought about it for about an hour. Think we will head over to Ireland for a week or so instead.

 

At the point I wouldn't be too concerned about catching Ebola either in North America or Europe (including the British Isles). However, I would point out that there are few if any direct flights between NA and west Africa, while there are many between Europe and west Africa, and it's more likely that an infected person flying out of west Africa would end up in Europe than on this side of the Atlantic.

Edited October 17, 2014 by BeagleOne

[mom2tcdx2]

It is not just spread by intimate contact. Here are some facts.

 

Can Ebola spread by coughing? By sneezing?

Unlike respiratory illnesses like measles or chickenpox, which can be transmitted by virus particles that remain suspended in the air after an infected person coughs or sneezes, Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with body fluids of a person who has symptoms of Ebola disease. Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease.

 

What does “direct contact” mean?

Direct contact means that body fluids (blood, saliva, mucus, vomit, urine, or feces) from an infected person (alive or dead) have touched someone’s eyes, nose, or mouth or an open cut, wound, or abrasion.

 

How long does Ebola live outside the body?

Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

 

I didn't mean only intimate, but you have to be rather close with someone - handling their fluids, blood, etc. Healthcare workers would obviously be the most sick. She would have needed to be sneezing on things, touching people etc to pass it I would think. It takes rather direct contact.

[caribill]

How long does Ebola live outside the body?

Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

 

But inside the body:

 

According to the World Health Organization, men who have recovered from Ebola can still transmit the virus through semen for up to seven weeks after their recovery.

[jimbo5544]

Cruise law news is reporting a massive scrub down. What do you scrub when there's nothing?

 

The ship to put the next sailing at ease. Makes total sense. You can call them giving 50% discount and a $200 OBC a PR move. I call it it doing the right thing, which is what Carnival has done every time they have been in a crisis. You can't say that about the other major cruise lines.

[elliair]

Think I would be more concerned about a long distance flight.

 

That's what I was thinking. Luckily, our next 2 cruises we are driving to the port. Flying is one reason why we are avoiding Carnival at this time. We can drive, but 9 hours on the road isn't something we want to deal with just for a 7-day cruise. This is another hit to the cruise industry!

[snorkelman]

I didn't mean only intimate, but you have to be rather close with someone - handling their fluids, blood, etc. Healthcare workers would obviously be the most sick. She would have needed to be sneezing on things, touching people etc to pass it I would think. It takes rather direct contact.

 

 

Nobody like my example of puking over the edge of the lido deck, spraying all balconies and pier below, but it is possible if someone was on the ship with Ebola and was not quarantined, such as if they thought they were just seasick or drank too much.

 

Even if quarantined, if they had a balcony and she puked off the edge of that, same effect.

Edited October 17, 2014 by snorkelman

[luvtheships]

Get your facts straight or your tomfoolery will be an impediment to discourse.

 

The CDC contacted CCL and informed them of the passenger. I am sure that the Captain, or his designee spoke with her. That would be a date uncertain. The CDC then concluded they wanted to act in a more restrictive manner, and asked that she be debarked in Belize to board a jet back to the USA. That effort was frustrated by Belize.

 

She is currently confined to her cabin, as is anyone traveling with her. It has been described as a selfless act to volunteering to stay isolated. I suspect she was told she could decide to do this, or she would be required to do this. There is no indication I have seen as to how long this confinement has gone on, but it sounds like it was after the ship first knew of her status, but maybe not before Belize.

 

She had no contact with any of the discharges or blood of Mr. Duncan. It is not clear from any report that she even touche the vials of blood, and I assume we are talking blood here. She is at the end of the period of latency, 21 day, and is Ebola free. A doctor would not test you for flu if you were asymptomatic. The same is true for Ebola.

 

Do you believe that everyone who entered the ER after Mr. Duncan needs to be tested for Ebola? Should all orderlies that may have moved gurneys after his ER visit be tested? What exact criteria would you apply? What is the level of efficacy you believe needs to be employed?

 

You do know that a patient that has no symptoms CANNOT infect anyone? Or are you saying that you know better, and you have to be correct? I assume you would have the ship cancel the next cruise and needlessly spend the week disinfecting the Magic.

 

I also assume you have a debarkation plan for the 4500 pax and crew. Would you share that? Do they all need a blood test too?

 

No not everyone's blood but hers for sure

 

That seems logical to me

 

 

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[Orison]

The ship to put the next sailing at ease. Makes total sense. You can call them giving 50% discount and a $200 OBC a PR move. I call it it doing the right thing, which is what Carnival has done every time they have been in a crisis. You can't say that about the other major cruise lines.

 

It this instance, I can't justify it just for missing a port.

 

But others will have to chime in. They are very inconsistent in the credit dept. it seems they have learned the higher the visibility, the higher the reward. I would imagine the next ship that misses the port of Cozumel will not be getting the same reward.

[elliair]

Nobody like my example of puking over the edge of the lido deck, spraying all balconies and pier below, but it is possible if someone was on the ship with Ebola and was not quarantined, such as if they thought they were just seasick or drank too much.

 

Even if quarantined, if they had a balcony and she puked off the edge of that, same effect.

 

I've been on enough cruises to see puke here and there. Saw it right outside the Lido buffet, saw it at the bottom of a stair well, saw it in the middle of a hall way where cabins were. Step right out of your door and into a pile of puke. I can't stand seeing that as it makes me wanna hurl. Be careful using public bathrooms, you just don't know what goes on in them and how cautious and "sanitary" people are. I err on the side of people not doing the right thing. Clorox wipes in those cases gives me some peace of mind if I can't make it back to our cabin.

[jimbo5544]

It this instance, I can't justify it just for missing a port.

 

But others will have to chime in. They are very inconsistent in the credit dept. it seems they have learned the higher the visibility, the higher the reward. I would imagine the next ship that misses the port of Cozumel will not be getting the same reward.

 

It was not them that cut the port, it was Cozumel that refused them entry. I actually think they have been the the most consistent cruise line in terms of credit for issues.

[autofan]

Carnival has handled this correctly, can't say that about CDC or TX State Health. These folks should have been monitored more closely. She should not have been put on a plane in a closed cabin. That would be a no no, could start showing symptoms, than what? What I think is funny, last week a poster just asked the question about Ebola and cruising and was blasted by the defenders of Carnival indicating it was no problem Just like the WH and CDC said about it entering this country. Now, I doubt if this person will be positive, but she had not business being on a cruise ship, just like the other had no business flying.

[RuthlessBoss]

It this instance, I can't justify it just for missing a port.

 

But others will have to chime in. They are very inconsistent in the credit dept. it seems they have learned the higher the visibility, the higher the reward. I would imagine the next ship that misses the port of Cozumel will not be getting the same reward.

 

You are right, the reward won't be the same. This event of missing Cozumel (not by Carnival's choice) and having the Ebola scare on this sailing, hardy makes this cruise a normal one. If people don't understand that, then oh, well. Regardless of an appearance of a "fun cruise" I bet Ebola was always on everyone's mind.

[bert425]

It this instance, I can't justify it just for missing a port.

 

But others will have to chime in. They are very inconsistent in the credit dept. it seems they have learned the higher the visibility, the higher the reward. I would imagine the next ship that misses the port of Cozumel will not be getting the same reward.

 

they didn't just miss a port tho. .they are coming back a day early.

 

so yeah. . it's nice they are offering some compensation.

 

(just wait until those that have flights the next day start to complain about having to book a hotel room for Sat night now)

[Coopie]

I have read and heard so much on tv today so I may have missed this,,,did the passengers get to tender in to Belize for the day but the ship was denied docking. I know they denied to let the pasenger and her husband disembark. I know they didn't get to dock in Mex.

[untailored bostonian]

No not everyone's blood but hers for sure

 

That seems logical to me

 

 

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Why her's?

[untailored bostonian]

But inside the body:

 

According to the World Health Organization, men who have recovered from Ebola can still transmit the virus through semen for up to seven weeks after their recovery.

 

Yes, but otherwise they are incapable of transmitting the virus.

[RuthlessBoss]

In a minute or 2, CNN is featuring Magic.

[falkcor]

I have read and heard so much on tv today so I may have missed this,,,did the passengers get to tender in to Belize for the day but the ship was denied docking. I know they denied to let the pasenger and her husband disembark. I know they didn't get to dock in Mex.

 

they always tender and passengers aside from the 2 quarantined were allowed to do so. There is no dock in belize

[celebrity]

Just thinking the same thing. If I was on the next cruise there is no way in hell I'd board that ship.

 

This is exactly what my husband just said to me. Our cruise insurance wouldn't pay out on the cancellation but he said there is no way in hell he would board that ship on the next sailing.

The hospital failed miserably in all areas .

Let's hope this passenger is not tested positive.

Can you imagine wondering if you are booked in the same cabin as this woman? :eek:

Edited October 17, 2014 by celebrity