Rare Hlitner Posted November 26, 2015 #26 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) We think its the Vegemite that does it! Nobody wants to offer a good deal to anyone that eats that stuff :). Hank Edited November 26, 2015 by Hlitner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspend6 Posted November 26, 2015 Author #27 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) An interesting and informative set of responses. Thanks to all who have responded. I guess "discrimination" is a little harsh, but I still think that at face value it could be construed that one set of people are given a deal or an offer, and others not. Does not seem fair and equitable to all parties, given that at the end of the day, we are all paying our money and sailing on the same ship. Oh, and the Vegemite - you don't know what you are missing :-) Edited November 26, 2015 by suspend6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CA Posted November 26, 2015 #28 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The "Sip & Sail" promotions are not available to all, no matter where you live. They are capacity controlled which means that only "X" number of bookings are eligible. Lots of things in life are unfair but all you have to do is read any sale ad for any product and look for the phrase, "while supplies last." The bottom line is to book as early or fast as you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted November 26, 2015 #29 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) I understand capacity control. And this thread is about promotions not being available to all. The promotions are just never available to people in Australia. They don't have to limit capacity control by georestriction - just simple time limits. It makes no difference as to how early we book - the offers are never included. Celebrity offers the promotions to Aussies and I was sorely tempted to use them for the upcoming Alaska cruise but Glacier Bay won out. But because Celebrity does have these offers I always check their itinerary first. And other than Alaska I will always book with them. I wonder if Princess reviewed their promos they would pick up a greater share of the market. Edited November 26, 2015 by Pushka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john watson Posted November 26, 2015 #30 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I think it's all about perception; if you told an Australian he was getting a free "Sip n Sail" drinks package deal he would likely say "Why am I being resricted to sipping?" Similarly if an Autralian saw a "Drink Canada Dry" advertisement he might think; "I could have a go." Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspend6 Posted November 26, 2015 Author #31 Share Posted November 26, 2015 The "Sip & Sail" promotions are not available to all, no matter where you live. They are capacity controlled which means that only "X" number of bookings are eligible. Lots of things in life are unfair but all you have to do is read any sale ad for any product and look for the phrase, "while supplies last." The bottom line is to book as early or fast as you can. Thanks Pam, You are correct, but we in Oz did not even get a "supply" :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspend6 Posted November 26, 2015 Author #32 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I think it's all about perception; if you told an Australian he was getting a free "Sip n Sail" drinks package deal he would likely say "Why am I being resricted to sipping?" Similarly if an Autralian saw a "Drink Canada Dry" advertisement he might think; "I could have a go."Regards John John, You need to brush up on your Australian Culture big time. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspend6 Posted November 26, 2015 Author #33 Share Posted November 26, 2015 I understand capacity control. And this thread is about promotions not being available to all. The promotions are just never available to people in Australia. They don't have to limit capacity control by georestriction - just simple time limits. It makes no difference as to how early we book - the offers are never included. Pushka, you have hit the nail right on the head. This is exactly my point. And if other cruise lines can do it, why can't Princess? As suggested, their marketing model may well suggest it is not necessary or viable, but equality and consistency stands for something, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspend6 Posted November 26, 2015 Author #34 Share Posted November 26, 2015 To add further fuel to the fire, I received an email offer from P&O yesterday, And I quote...... "In keeping with P&O Cruises 5 ship spectacular celebrations, Clean Cruising are excited to announce we're combining our own "7 day sale week" with P&O Cruises "It's Our Shout Sale". PLUS pre-register today on four selected cruises below to receive a FREE premium beverage package valued at $79/day" P&O are very closely aligned with Princess, to the extent that cruise credits earned with either line contribute to one's Captains Circle status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam in CA Posted November 26, 2015 #35 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Thanks Pam,You are correct, but we in Oz did not even get a "supply" :( True. However, keep in mind that there are legal reasons why marketing promotions are not the same when offered to US vs. other countries. I don't know the contractual agreements but I know that marketing and promotions are mutually exclusive between the US and Australia and the UK when it comes to ships sailing for Princess and booked out of Santa Clarita, CA. It's not so much discrimination as the way the corporations are set up and marketing territories laid out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo222 Posted November 28, 2015 #36 Share Posted November 28, 2015 To add further fuel to the fire, I received an email offer from P&O yesterday, And I quote...... "In keeping with P&O Cruises 5 ship spectacular celebrations, Clean Cruising are excited to announce we're combining our own "7 day sale week" with P&O Cruises "It's Our Shout Sale". PLUS pre-register today on four selected cruises below to receive a FREE premium beverage package valued at $79/day" P&O are very closely aligned with Princess, to the extent that cruise credits earned with either line contribute to one's Captains Circle status. So, did you book on P&O? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Womble99 Posted November 29, 2015 #37 Share Posted November 29, 2015 To add further fuel to the fire, I received an email offer from P&O yesterday, And I quote...... "In keeping with P&O Cruises 5 ship spectacular celebrations, Clean Cruising are excited to announce we're combining our own "7 day sale week" with P&O Cruises "It's Our Shout Sale". PLUS pre-register today on four selected cruises below to receive a FREE premium beverage package valued at $79/day" P&O are very closely aligned with Princess, to the extent that cruise credits earned with either line contribute to one's Captains Circle status. Could also be a one off as they brought all 5 ships in to the one location at the one time and seem to be having trouble filling the out going legs? There are some serious flash sales going on for those cruises lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDC1 Posted November 29, 2015 #38 Share Posted November 29, 2015 One of the reasons for restricting alcohol packages on Australian cruises may have something to do with the Australian government. A government study INQUIRY INTO THE ARRANGEMENTS SURROUNDING CRIMES COMMITTED AT SEA, discussed the potential impacts of alcohol consumption and crime committed on cruise ships. It would appear that several cruise line CEO's are quoted in that and other government studies dealing with cruise line safety. Alcohol drink packages have come up as an issue resulting in excessive alcohol consumption and the cruise lines discussed voluntarily limiting their availability to prevent the need for additional laws being passed by the Australian government. It seems to largely be tied to a death on P&O in 2002 being the triggering event. Now some lines may have started relaxing the restriction and started selling them on Australian cruises now that time has passed, but some of the limits in availability seem to have been a result of the Australian government looking into cruise line safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted November 29, 2015 #39 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Um. Just no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDC1 Posted November 29, 2015 #40 Share Posted November 29, 2015 To give you an idea of the interest of the Australian Government in this topic the following extractions from Inquiry into the Arrangements Surrounding Crimes Committed at Sea. Especially note testimony from CEO Carnival Australia. Now this was a few years back so the cruiselines may now be feeling less pressure to restrict such packages The Committee received terms of reference for an inquiry into the Arrangements Surrounding Crimes Committed at Sea from the Attorney General, The Hon Nicola Roxon MP, on 11 September 2012. The Committee agreed to adopt the terms of reference for the inquiry, as referred by the Attorney General, on Thursday 13 September 2012. The inquiry was referred as part of the government response to the recommendations of the New South Wales Coronial inquest into the tragic death of Ms Dianne Brimble. The focus of the inquiry is on the jurisdiction and investigation of crimes against the person, which includes fatal, non-fatal and sexual offences committed on cruise and merchant ships. In Chapter 4 of that document you have: 4.2 This Chapter will consider two main categories of measures to improve safety and crime prevention: On-board crime prevention and safety measures: ⇒ The Milledge Recommendations; ⇒ Alcohol service; ⇒ On-board security; ⇒ Video monitoring; and ⇒ Operators’ liability for negligence. Alcohol service 4.7 The recreational nature of cruise ships means that passengers are more likely to consume alcohol, and probably more than they would on land. Providing evidence about the consumption of both alcohol and drugs, the Australian National Council on Drugs said that: There is a limited research available on the higher levels of drug or alcohol use (and other 'risk-taking' activities) among people who are travelling or on holiday, without being specific to cruise ships. Higher consumption of alcohol or drugs among this group may relate to these activities being associated with pleasurable experiences or leisure time, to the use of alcohol or other drugs as social lubricants, to their role for some in celebrations, or to other factors. Some of the research has noted that drug use while away from home is regarded by some as being less risky than drug use at home. It could be inferred that higher levels of use on cruise ships (compared to use in the general population) would not be unexpected given this research. However, there needs to be caution using this information given the clear differences that exist for cruise ship passengers compared to land based travellers.3 4.8 General evidence to the inquiry suggested that high consumption of alcohol is a feature of cruise ships. According to the International Cruise Victims Association, excessive alcohol consumption leads to numerous risks: The over-indulgence of alcoholic beverages by cruise ship passengers on a carefree holiday has led on more than one occasion to safety related accidents onboard ship, physical and sexual assaults, and even the unfortunate death of passengers who have fallen over the ship’s railing while becoming sick after consuming too much alcohol. While most adult passengers are responsible enough to control their drinking activities as they would in any other social setting, many other passengers, including juvenile underage drinkers are the most vulnerable to the party-like environment of a cruise ship where alcohol is virtually available, 24 hours a day.4 4.9 The consumption of alcohol can have a direct impact on the level of crime. As stated in an academic paper by Ross Klein and Jill Poulston: Around half of all sexual assaults are associated with alcohol consumption…of either the perpetrator or victim. […] Although most cruise ships prohibit the consumption of alcohol purchased elsewhere…alcohol is also a major factor in sexual crimes committed on cruise ships. 5 4.10 Numerous examples of current or past cruising policies demonstrate how retail and bar policies can encourage of excessive alcohol consumption. Examples include: Promotional events, such as ‘happy hours’ or ‘two-for-one specials’; Purchase of bulk drinks packages;6 Alcohol sales-commissions for staff; and The consumption of duty-free alcohol purchased in ports.7 4.11 However, the cruise industry claims that it has made some efforts in recent years to prevent alcohol from driving dangerous or criminal behaviour on board ships. Now here is the key quotation in which the CEO of Carnival Australia testifies "nor do any of our ships have unlimited drink packages" Ann Sherry, CEO of Carnival Australia, considers that the cruising industry has undergone a ‘transformation’, including in relation to alcohol service: The transformation has involved a significant number of changes, so there is now zero tolerance of excessive behaviour on board any Carnival Australia cruise ships. This policy has seen the introduction of a series of significant changes. We have now strict policies and procedures to ensure responsible service and consumption of alcohol and no bar staff are on incentives to sell alcohol, nor do any of our ships in this region have unlimited drinking packages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDC1 Posted November 29, 2015 #41 Share Posted November 29, 2015 The Australian Government at the time was considering a number of actions, including the potential of putting police officers on cruise ships cruising out of Australia. Anyone interested in reading the inquiry can find it at http://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representatives_committees?url=spla/crimes%20at%20sea/index.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted November 29, 2015 #42 Share Posted November 29, 2015 It would appear that several cruise line CEO's are quoted in that and other government studies dealing with cruise line safety. Alcohol drink packages have come up as an issue resulting in excessive alcohol consumption and the cruise lines discussed voluntarily limiting their availability to prevent the need for additional laws being passed by the Australian government. It seems to largely be tied to a death on P&O in 2002 being the triggering event. I agree...... Whether its related to the Gov't or not this is probably one of the biggest reasons its not offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shredie Posted November 30, 2015 #43 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So should I be scared of my upcoming Oz cruise? Will it be Carnival weekend to Ensenada? :eek: (I don't really pay much attention to stereotypes, but this thread suggests something.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted November 30, 2015 #44 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So should I be scared of my upcoming Oz cruise? Will it be Carnival weekend to Ensenada? :eek: (I don't really pay much attention to stereotypes, but this thread suggests something.) May depend who you're sailing with, we just had 30+ days around Aus, mainly Aussies in board don't think I saw a drunk anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspend6 Posted November 30, 2015 Author #45 Share Posted November 30, 2015 So, did you book on P&O? Nope, itineraries did not impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted November 30, 2015 #46 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Just wondering why the Australian Government has an interest in my Princess cruise to Alaska but not my last Med Cruise on Celebrity..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShipsAhoy425 Posted November 30, 2015 #47 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It's really no different than some lines offering state discounts.. for residents of FL, TX, CA, etc., if you don't live there, you don't "qualify" or get these offers. I never thought of it as discrimination though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icat2000 Posted November 30, 2015 #48 Share Posted November 30, 2015 The Australian Government at the time was considering a number of actions, including the potential of putting police officers on cruise ships cruising out of Australia. Anyone interested in reading the inquiry can find it at http://www.aph.gov.au/parliamentary_business/committees/house_of_representatives_committees?url=spla/crimes%20at%20sea/index.htm That relates to an incident that occurred on a cruise ship over 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colo Cruiser Posted November 30, 2015 #49 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) That relates to an incident that occurred on a cruise ship over 10 years ago. That could also happen now. Or a lot worse. Edited November 30, 2015 by Colo Cruiser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suspend6 Posted November 30, 2015 Author #50 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) "Discrimination is treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing is perceived to belong to rather than on individual merit." Having said earlier in this thread that discrimination might be a little harsh a term, the above definition does fit. Edited November 30, 2015 by suspend6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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