Seriously their your own kids!

[Guest012]

Our last cruise Hong Kong to Brisbane one group of 8 youngsters aged from 5 to maybe 10, obviously too good for kids club and bored, decided to build themselves a cubby house under the stairs on deck 2..... they strung up towels, ate there, played in the lifts and were way way too noisy. This group of children were seen daytime and late into the night generally making nuisances of themselves ....never ever saw them with a parent guessing they boarded with at least one or a guardian:eek::eek:

 

Not one to confront any parent on a ship or land about the behaviour of their "precious angelic little mites" a call to security saw them evicted and then crew were sent in to clean up the mess :mad::mad: should have been the parents in my opinion;) ..... two days later they were back.... another call had them removed immediately....security are great but they can't be everywhere and see everything so it's up to the rest of unruly children.

 

What scares me most is the attitude parents have that their children are totally safe onboard....are they really so naive to think that " UNDESIREABLES" don't cruise !!!!!!!!!

[happysnapper]

Unfortunately, in today's society, you don't have to be on a cruise to encounter this out of control behaviour. It happens in shopping centres, hotels, resorts and as they get older in the streets and on the roads. It's just about everywhere you go. Happily it's not all children and occasionally you do come across well behaved children who are a reflection of good parenting.

[clairebearinaus]

What scares me most is the attitude parents have that their children are totally safe onboard....are they really so naive to think that " UNDESIREABLES" don't cruise !!!!!!!!!

 

I don't think they're any more or less safe on a ship than they are, say, walking themselves to school or any other age-appropriate things they're allowed to do on their own on land.

 

Most parents aren't stupid, they teach their kids protective behaviours and weigh up the marginal risk of something bad happening against the important benefits of developing independence. They have coached their kids on all the 'what-ifs' and have put checks and balances in place that you may not see.

 

Note, I say *most* parents, I acknowledge there are plenty of kids out there who could do with some more boundaries!

[OzKiwiJJ]

 

Kids learn how to be real people by going through the 'get a bit of rope => misbehave => consequence' cycle a few hundred times (possibly a few billion, in the case of my two). It's unfortunate for those of us inconvenienced at the time, but the alternative is that we keep them tied to the apron strings until they're 18 then set them free in the world, having never learned how to think or act without Mummy around to tell them.

 

 

My parents gave me plenty of freedom to explore the world around me, but they also taught me to respect other people and their property.

[clairebearinaus]

My parents gave me plenty of freedom to explore the world around me, but they also taught me to respect other people and their property.

 

Of course they did - and I bet you still mucked up occasionally, regardless. The difference between 'then' and 'now' for me anyway, is that if I decided to muck up as soon as my parents turned their backs, some other random adult would have pulled me into line! Everyone seems reluctant to do that these days.

[Duck Duck Cruise]

I've never sailed on a cruise with many kids, so it's not been an issue.

 

But most teens are terrified if Mrs Gut, so if there was a problem I'd send her.

 

Funny the kids she teaches (indeed the teachers she works with) are terrified of her, but the kids adore her at the same time. Even after they leave school, they will come running when they see her to talk to her. But they're still terrified of her (with Goid reason, I'm scared if neither man,nor beast, but Mrs Gut).

 

 

That is so true and funny! My daughter in law is a teacher and I have seen her use her "Teacher Voice" on adults. It is hilarious to see the shocked look on their faces. As far as the OP's worry about other peoples children....it is kind of her to worry. BUT...............Ultimately it is none of your business what other people do. You are wasting energy on something you have no control over. Walk away, look the other way and take care of what you DO have control over in your own life.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Of course they did - and I bet you still mucked up occasionally, regardless. The difference between 'then' and 'now' for me anyway, is that if I decided to muck up as soon as my parents turned their backs, some other random adult would have pulled me into line! Everyone seems reluctant to do that these days.

 

Of course I did and, yes, other adults would pull you up for any bad behaviour and/or rat on you to your parents. :eek: :D

 

There are still some parents that teach their children to behave nicely in public, and I don't mean being totally oppressed by that, kids are kids and need to have a certain amount of fun. But there are far too many parents who just let their kids run wild.

[sun-set]

We have cruised with P & O and Princess and have never had a problem with children, they have been well looked after by the staff in the children clubs, every now and then we would see them escorted by the staff to different venues.

We have also had 2 cruises with Carnival, not in school holidays but there were still over 500 children on board, too many for the staff to look after, so they were very evident around the ship, but they were so polite and well behaved it was a pleasure to see them, they were mostly younger children, it would be different in school holidays of course when I am told there can be over 1000, as they don't limit the numbers like P & O and Princess.

[The_Big_M]

That is so true and funny! My daughter in law is a teacher and I have seen her use her "Teacher Voice" on adults. It is hilarious to see the shocked look on their faces. As far as the OP's worry about other peoples children....it is kind of her to worry. BUT...............Ultimately it is none of your business what other people do. You are wasting energy on something you have no control over. Walk away, look the other way and take care of what you DO have control over in your own life.

 

Exactly. Plus you don't know the situation, maybe the parent is nearby in a chair watching, maybe they were sick in their cabin and asked the kid to go grab something so they were unattended at the time; maybe they are meeting up in 10 minutes at another place while someone went to the bathroom. All sorts of situations arise, so making assumptions isn't useful.

[The_Big_M]

We have cruised with P & O and Princess and have never had a problem with children, they have been well looked after by the staff in the children clubs, every now and then we would see them escorted by the staff to different venues.

We have also had 2 cruises with Carnival, not in school holidays but there were still over 500 children on board, too many for the staff to look after, so they were very evident around the ship, but they were so polite and well behaved it was a pleasure to see them, they were mostly younger children, it would be different in school holidays of course when I am told there can be over 1000, as they don't limit the numbers like P & O and Princess.

 

I've done a fair few sailings in school holidays and even then not seen an issue.

 

Sometimes a few kids are silly, but so what? Is it really that harmful to your holiday? I've encountered worse behaviour from people getting drunk onboard.

[sun-set]

I've done a fair few sailings in school holidays and even then not seen an issue.

 

Sometimes a few kids are silly, but so what? Is it really that harmful to your holiday? I've encountered worse behaviour from people getting drunk onboard.

 

I agree, on the Carnival Spirit if it hadn't been for a 9 year old girl telling me not to be afraid I wouldn't have known the thrill of the Green Thunder.

[Aus Traveller]

I agree, on the Carnival Spirit if it hadn't been for a 9 year old girl telling me not to be afraid I wouldn't have known the thrill of the Green Thunder.

Gorgeous. :)

[OzKiwiJJ]

Sometimes a few kids are silly, but so what? Is it really that harmful to your holiday? I've encountered worse behaviour from people getting drunk onboard.

 

What happens when one of those out-of-control kids knocks over someone with mobility problems? In fact they don't even have to bump into them, just running past them unexpectedly can cause an elderly person to get a fright and lose their balance - this happened to my late mother many years ago in a shopping mall.

 

The kid will probably come off unharmed. At best the other person will just have bruises and may lose confidence walking around the ship, and at worst the other person will break a hip, arm or leg, especially as older bones tend to be much more fragile.

 

In the case of my mother, she did only have bruising, quite bad bruising only, but from then on she never felt comfortable going shopping in that mall. Essentially she lost some quality of life from that fall.

[The_Big_M]

What happens when one of those out-of-control kids knocks over someone with mobility problems?

 

Which out of control kids?

 

Deal with the specific issue, not a sweeping generalisation against a generic group.

 

I didn't say have no rules at all, but blanket statements aren't going to help. And nothing can guarantee complete protection, otherwise you wouldn't have people going overboard, people getting caught with drugs onboard, people getting sick, people having falls and so on.

[OzKiwiJJ]

Which out of control kids?

 

Deal with the specific issue, not a sweeping generalisation against a generic group.

 

I didn't say have no rules at all, but blanket statements aren't going to help. And nothing can guarantee complete protection, otherwise you wouldn't have people going overboard, people getting caught with drugs onboard, people getting sick, people having falls and so on.

 

Out-of-control kids is specific. It does not includes kids that are behaving sensibly.

 

But if you want examples here are a couple:

 

The ones running up and down and around the main stairways on Celebrity Solstice at 10-10:30pm at night, when people were leaving the MDR for starters. No parent in sight and no-one was prepared to stop them.

 

The kids running around my local shopping plaza, or even worse scooting through on scooters or skateboards despite notices to the contrary. Either no parent in sight, or a parent ineffectively yelling "don't do that" which the kids just ignore.

Edited February 3, 2016 by OzKiwiJJ

[Newby58]

Sometimes even good kids from good homes, who've earned trust and some modest privileges from their parents, will disappoint everyone and stuff up.

 

 

 

I wouldn't hesitate in telling annoying children to wind their heads in. I hope anyone would channel MrsGut and do the same to mine!

 

 

 

Kids learn how to be real people by going through the 'get a bit of rope => misbehave => consequence' cycle a few hundred times (possibly a few billion, in the case of my two). It's unfortunate for those of us inconvenienced at the time, but the alternative is that we keep them tied to the apron strings until they're 18 then set them free in the world, having never learned how to think or act without Mummy around to tell them.

 

 

 

**disclaimer, I'm not talking about kids running amok all day, and my plea for tolerance does not extend to hall runners at 1am :)

 

 

Great post. Luckily for me, my 16 y/o learns quick [emoji6]

 

 

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[The_Big_M]

Out-of-control kids is specific. It does not includes kids that are behaving sensibly.

 

Except you referred to those who I described as acting "silly."

 

That's not out of control - unless you expect that children will always act like mature adults. Which isn't factual.

 

As for the examples, hard to say, were they acting carelessly? For example, I see lots of both kids and adults running up and down the stairs and it's not an issue - as long as they slow down or be careful around others - which for the most part they do.

 

Similarly if a kid is riding his scooter 10m away from anyone - or controls it adequately closer, what harm is it to anyone else?

[OzKiwiJJ]

Except you referred to those who I described as acting "silly."

 

That's not out of control - unless you expect that children will always act like mature adults. Which isn't factual.

 

As for the examples, hard to say, were they acting carelessly? For example, I see lots of both kids and adults running up and down the stairs and it's not an issue - as long as they slow down or be careful around others - which for the most part they do.

 

Similarly if a kid is riding his scooter 10m away from anyone - or controls it adequately closer, what harm is it to anyone else?

 

They weren't just running up or down the stairs, they were chasing each other up, down and around the stairs in a manner that was extremely careless and dangerous to anyone with mobility issues.

 

And kids scooting right past people, with half a metre, is also careless.

 

I don't expect kids to act like adults but I do expect their parents to teach them what behaviour is appropriate when.

[tompaddyelle]

I can stop a loud, rambunctious group of children with a single look (but then I have been teaching for 25 years and it just comes naturally :) )

On our last cruise on New Year's Eve every passenger was given a horn to toot. Now let me just say tooting horns are one of my least favourite things :eek:

At dinner many children and adults began tooting, so much so that I had had enough, stood up and said in my most teacherish voice "That is enough!"

Well that stopped the tooting. :)

My own children were amazed at my power (and secretly pleased it wasn't directed at them :rolleyes: )

[By The Bay]

I can stop a loud, rambunctious group of children with a single look (but then I have been teaching for 25 years and it just comes naturally :) )

On our last cruise on New Year's Eve every passenger was given a horn to toot. Now let me just say tooting horns are one of my least favourite things :eek:

At dinner many children and adults began tooting, so much so that I had had enough, stood up and said in my most teacherish voice "That is enough!"

Well that stopped the tooting. :)

My own children were amazed at my power (and secretly pleased it wasn't directed at them :rolleyes: )

I had a chuckle as I read you post.:D

[GurlzCruisinRTW]

Its a picture Kate lol lol lol :D

[MicCanberra]

I had a chuckle as I read you post.:D

 

Likewise, I also had a good laugh.

I have never been a teacher and I also dislike tooting (both types) at the table. :eek:

[clairebearinaus]

I can stop a loud, rambunctious group of children with a single look (but then I have been teaching for 25 years and it just comes naturally :) )

On our last cruise on New Year's Eve every passenger was given a horn to toot. Now let me just say tooting horns are one of my least favourite things :eek:

At dinner many children and adults began tooting, so much so that I had had enough, stood up and said in my most teacherish voice "That is enough!"

Well that stopped the tooting. :)

My own children were amazed at my power (and secretly pleased it wasn't directed at them :rolleyes: )

 

I hope you're on my next cruise! :D

[nermal9900]

Visit our shopping centre most weekend or worse school holidays and you will realize many parents do le the kids spend all hours at the local shops. Ones with video game arcades and cinemas are even worse.

 

I agree with you there.The middle to upper class ones are the rare exception where I come from.I have had the misfortune on Most Thursday Nights in my younger days when I do the earlier shifts at work of getting caught up with the teen lot at the shopping malls.

[OzKiwiJJ]

I agree with you there.The middle to upper class ones are the rare exception where I come from.I have had the misfortune on Most Thursday Nights in my younger days when I do the earlier shifts at work of getting caught up with the teen lot at the shopping malls.

 

The teens aren't usually a problem - apart from the tendency to cluster in large groups, girls giggling, and boys trying to look macho. :D

 

It's the younger ones that tend to race around everywhere, often without looking where they are going. And the toddlers, watched fondly by doting parents - the worst are the ones that are running forwards whilst looking backwards of their shoulders at the parents. :eek:

 

It is just natural kid behaviour but shopping malls are not playgrounds or parks. Many parents forget that and don't rein in their children when they are behaving inappropriately in public spaces.

Edited February 4, 2016 by OzKiwiJJ