Rare MVPinBoynton Posted October 5, 2016 Author #26 Share Posted October 5, 2016 I just got he same message about my British Isles cruise, losing an hour in Cork. Strange as fuel prices have remained fairly low lately and I would guess that they would be cheaper today then when the schedule was initially announced by Celebrity. As far as time in port in the Caribbean, one of my best nights ever on a cruise took place in Aruba at an Irish bar. We stayed until midnight as all aboard was 12:30...had the best time hanging out with friends and members of the US coast guard, sharing stories and playing games. That night would have never had happened like that if we had to be back on board at 9:30pm. So don't discount those 2 hours, they might not matter to you but they could to some people. I am really excited that my British Isles cruise includes TWO overnights and another night that goes until midnight. Love getting a real nightlife experience in port in addition to onboard the ship. That really sucks on a European cruise. We didn't have enough time in Cork as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerThom Posted October 5, 2016 #27 Share Posted October 5, 2016 Not anything you can do about it...If this is before Final Payment you can cancel. I absolutely accept a number of reasons for changing port times (eg weather, medical emergency, etc), and have had changed and missed ports many times over the years for those reasons. I was disappointed, but accepted without complaint. I have a nice bridge for sale to anybody that thinks this is for reasons other than saving money on (CHEAP) fuel. Last year AFTER Final Payment Oceania changed numerous port schedules on me (including losing half a day in Rio). My survey gave them a 10/10 for food, 10/10 for service, 0 (yes zero) chance of sailing with them again. Sorry, I do not forgive selling me one product and having no good faith intent of delivering that product. If cruise lines want to change their schedule in the future that is their prerogative, but taking my money and then changing the deal when they could deliver the promised product is total BS. My not humble opinion. Thom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wendyam76 Posted October 6, 2016 #28 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I've just got the same email for our 2nd April Eclipse cruise - disappointed but we will still enjoy. Wendy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johhnnyt Posted October 6, 2016 #29 Share Posted October 6, 2016 OMG! All this over 4 hours total!!!!!!:eek: It is funny, airlines change schediules on a daily basis, and from I gather the complaint is that they gave you 3 months notice that they are changing it slightly for whatever reason Had they done it underway it might be a valid point if you had planned non-celebrity tours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerThom Posted October 6, 2016 #30 Share Posted October 6, 2016 ...Had they done it underway it might be a valid point if you had planned non-celebrity toursActually schedules are often changed underway because of weather or other issues beyond the control of the company. Private tour operators especially in the Caribbean are usually very accomodating. The best IMO require a payment guarantee (credit card number) and charge if your ship is in and you neither showed up or canceled. These operators keep in touch with the port authorities and know when ships are delayed or canceling. (An issue with no guarantee by the customer is waiting a considerable time for someone who has no money at risk and just blows the trip off.) I find it minimally acceptable (but still acceptable) for the company to make changes for their convenience as long as they allow you a full refund. Changes made strictly for the convenience of the company without an opportunity for full refund I find reprehensible. Not knowing what country the OP booked in and the applicable terms and conditions I don't know their refund status. I do know that when Oceania changed their schedule on me, it was after Final Payment and they were allowing zero refunds, and that change was strictly for convenience of the company (not weather, nor mechanical, etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandjm Posted October 6, 2016 #31 Share Posted October 6, 2016 Hi. I've just had the same for both my ex Southampton cruises for 2017. We are leaving at 4pm rather than 4.30pm. No issues there. Sent from my iPhone using Forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger1964 Posted October 6, 2016 #32 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I know it will come as a shock, but they still show the original times when booking on their website. Maybe the email you received was a joke? Why should anyone complain. You are getting 10% less time in port those 3 days. I'm sure the bean counters calculated how many millions of dollars they can save in the future by optimizing operations without regard to what the paying customers, even after they have paid for trip. Bottom line is they can do whatever they want. Some day they might just never leave the embarkation port! That will save the most fuel possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvcrusn Posted October 6, 2016 #33 Share Posted October 6, 2016 I know it will come as a shock, but they still show the original times when booking on their website. Maybe the email you received was a joke? Why should anyone complain. You are getting 10% less time in port those 3 days. I'm sure the bean counters calculated how many millions of dollars they can save in the future by optimizing operations without regard to what the paying customers, even after they have paid for trip. Bottom line is they can do whatever they want. Some day they might just never leave the embarkation port! That will save the most fuel possible! This thread seems to be dwelling in the negative. I for one will choose to make the best of it or if bothered by the changes enough, cancel. Can't spend my time complaining. Seems some are only happy if they have something to complain about. Deal or rebook something more attractive to you is my theory. Happy days for us are when on a vacation where we don't have to think about day to day life, troubles or work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger1964 Posted October 6, 2016 #34 Share Posted October 6, 2016 This thread seems to be dwelling in the negative. I for one will choose to make the best of it or if bothered by the changes enough, cancel. Can't spend my time complaining. Seems some are only happy if they have something to complain about. Deal or rebook something more attractive to you is my theory. Happy days for us are when on a vacation where we don't have to think about day to day life, troubles or work! It, in most cases, wouldn't make any difference to my cruise either, but to some it might or will, and some can't just cancel (and get money back). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvcrusn Posted October 6, 2016 #35 Share Posted October 6, 2016 It, in most cases, wouldn't make any difference to my cruise either, but to some it might or will, and some can't just cancel (and get money back). Then, if that's the case that they can't get money back, call the cruise line and complain, then make the best of it. By all accounts there will still be a good time to be had. I for one can't see what good complaining incessantly on this thread will do to improve the situation. I get it they are unhappy, but as far as I can see, all this can do is solidlify unhappy feelings. If cruisers are unhappy with schedule changes, beyond letting their voice be heard and encouraging others to do the same DIRECTLY to the line involved they only have two choices, be miserable about the change or be happy they are fortunate enough to be able to have a lovely vacation. A few years ago hubs and I did a RCI cruise that because of high winds couldn't dock at the one port we had looked forward to the most. (I get that's not a reschedule for fuel efficiency) yes, we were VERY disappointed, but we made the best of it and thoroughly enjoyed the other 13 days of the cruise. That's my point. If you charter your own yacht then you have the control, short of that, regardless of cruise line they all have the right (in all the fine print you sign on those pesky, pages long cruise contracts) to change itineraries. Soooooo....don'worry.....be happy is the motto I'll choose! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerThom Posted October 6, 2016 #36 Share Posted October 6, 2016 ...I for one can't see what good complaining incessantly on this thread will do to improve the situation...Well within the last six weeks RCI (like Celebrity, part of RCCL) announced that they were doing away with C&A balcony discounts for bookings made within six months of the cruise. There was such an uproar here on CC that RCI rescinded the change. SOMETIMES the squeaky wheel does cause change to occur. Thom For the Record, while I wasn't happy, I found nothing reprehensible about that C&A change. Taking your money and making no attempt to deliver the product sold without allowing a refund I find reprehensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybee43 Posted October 6, 2016 #37 Share Posted October 6, 2016 We are booked on this cruise and want to fly to Chile 2 days early, Jan20. Does anyone else have the same plans and want to share a ride to Valapraiso from Santaigo on the 21st or 22nd.? We are also planning on spending two days post cruise in Buenos Aeries. Does anyone have any suggestions for a tour there or want to share a tour on either day after the cruise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2bespoiled Posted October 7, 2016 #38 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Add the April 22 Cruise from San Juan to Bermuda that is now leaving port an hour earlier from Bermuda AND arriving and hour later in NJ. Is it huge? No, but will it impact my plans, yes, a bit, that hour is important. Additinally, the later arrival will impact the opportunity to make earlier flights from Newark, etc. I have no argument that they can do it, it's there right. If an airline did it, they would let me change or cancel for free. I also agree with the person who stated that this should have been figured out long ago, when itineraries were announced, but there could have been a change in mangement, but it's still bad form and I for one and another disppointed cruiser in a small change. On the plus side, these ships are HORRIBLE for the enviroment and saving a bit of fuel, well, that's good I guess ;) Happy sailing, Jenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WonderMan3 Posted October 7, 2016 #39 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Didn't get an email notification but went into my account today and noticed they changed times on our Jan 22nd Eclipse cruise. Curacao - departure time changed from 11pm to 10pm Barbados - departure time changed from 11:59pm to 10pm St. Kitss - departure time changed from 5pm to 4pm Doesn't impact any of our plans so no issue. What's nice is that with 10pm departures we can actually make it to the casino on those two nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridatravelersforlife Posted October 7, 2016 #40 Share Posted October 7, 2016 You are making an assumption (as did the OP) that this is for fuel efficiency/savings. You don't know that. In fact, it can not be determined why these changes were made from the email received. Methinks a late change could be the sign of propulsion unit issues that need to be addressed at a later date, so easy does it for now. Just a guess. X would not slow down just to save a few bucks and irritate the pax. Nice cover story by X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2bespoiled Posted October 7, 2016 #41 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Methinks a late change could be the sign of propulsion unit issues that need to be addressed at a later date, so easy does it for now. Just a guess. X would not slow down just to save a few bucks and irritate the pax. Nice cover story by X On all of these ships? This isn't one ship, we've seen reports on M-Class and S-Class and at least, what, 4 different ships adding saiing time. There are only a few reasons for this: 1. Go slower between ports = less fuel = save money. Given that the message says "This change is being made at the request of Marine Operations and Fuel Management for operational efficiencies." this is likely the reasons. 2. Open casinos earlier, more time out of port = make more money, given that the messages are coming from the Marine division and not the marketing, hotel or revenue divisions, this is unlikely the reason. 3. Increase in port charges, unlikely, as this is at so many different ports and these should have been negotiage long ago, and would be passed on to passengers anyway, maybe if it was all late stops in one port or one country. 4. Mechanical issues, but seriously, these cruises are months away, on many ships, so this is unlikely the reason. Maybe if it was one particular ship, but... They're alreay irritating the passengers, at least some. I can see it being less of a deal leaving at 10p instead of 11p or later but leaving at 4pm is much worse than 5pm, when 6pm is much, much better if you ask me. Happy sailing, Jenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MVPinBoynton Posted October 7, 2016 Author #42 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Methinks a late change could be the sign of propulsion unit issues that need to be addressed at a later date, so easy does it for now. Just a guess. X would not slow down just to save a few bucks and irritate the pax. Nice cover story by X I don't think propulsion issues would be a good reason for leaving an hour early from St. Kitts to go less than 100 miles to the next port, Saint Maarten. That wouldn't be a fuel saver either. Kind of strange to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chamima Posted October 7, 2016 #43 Share Posted October 7, 2016 Didn't get an email notification but went into my account today and noticed they changed times on our Jan 22nd Eclipse cruise. Curacao - departure time changed from 11pm to 10pm Barbados - departure time changed from 11:59pm to 10pm St. Kitss - departure time changed from 5pm to 4pm Doesn't impact any of our plans so no issue. What's nice is that with 10pm departures we can actually make it to the casino on those two nights. We are on the Eclipse Feb. 5 and again on the 19th. I have also not received any notifications but went into my files to check. The 5th seems to have the original port times Curacao - 11pm Barbados - 4pm (it's Valentine's Day so they probably want us on the ship???) St. Kitts - 6pm But the 19th has all of the changes others have noted Curacao - 10 pm Barbados - 10 pm And St. Kitts 4 pm The port orders are slightly different for the two cruises but on BOTH we sail from St. Kitts to St. Maarten. Why do we leave 2 hours earlier on the second? It really doesn't matter because we don't intend to get off the ship in St. Kitts - just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerThom Posted October 7, 2016 #44 Share Posted October 7, 2016 WOW! 16 hours to go from Basseterre St. Kitts to Philipsburg. It is 52 air miles between them, and only slightly more sea miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2bespoiled Posted October 7, 2016 #45 Share Posted October 7, 2016 WOW! 16 hours to go from Basseterre St. Kitts to Philipsburg. It is 52 air miles between them, and only slightly more sea miles. They're not planning on turning the screws, the expectation will be that guests in steerage will paddle in unison, while guests on the upper deck will be required to use their blankets as sails to propel the ship on. Crew will hange off the back and kick. Happy sailing, Jenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare chemmo Posted October 8, 2016 #46 Share Posted October 8, 2016 They're not planning on turning the screws, the expectation will be that guests in steerage will paddle in unison, while guests on the upper deck will be required to use their blankets as sails to propel the ship on. Crew will hange off the back and kick. Happy sailing, Jenna Just choked on my coffee....that's another blouse for the wash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvcrusn Posted October 8, 2016 #47 Share Posted October 8, 2016 They're not planning on turning the screws, the expectation will be that guests in steerage will paddle in unison, while guests on the upper deck will be required to use their blankets as sails to propel the ship on. Crew will hange off the back and kick. Happy sailing, Jenna I give up, some people's opinions are baffling to me, bye all, I'm leaving this thread. Happy sailing and smooth seas to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2bespoiled Posted October 8, 2016 #48 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Just choked on my coffee....that's another blouse for the wash! I give up, some people's opinions are baffling to me, bye all, I'm leaving this thread. Happy sailing and smooth seas to all. :eek: Such disparity in interpretation of the same comments. Wow. Becaus apparently my comment wasn't totally clear, my comment was sarcasm! Happy sailing, Jenna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob the Cruiser Posted October 8, 2016 #49 Share Posted October 8, 2016 :eek: Such disparity in interpretation of the same comments. Wow. Becaus apparently my comment wasn't totally clear, my comment was sarcasm! Happy sailing, Jenna Jenna, Jenna, Jenna. You are such a troublemaker. :D:D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2bespoiled Posted October 8, 2016 #50 Share Posted October 8, 2016 Jenna, Jenna, Jenna. You are such a troublemaker. :D:D:D Oh hush you! You're steerage role will be keelhauling :p See you at the martini bar. Happy sailing ;) Jenna Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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