Any News on ship Passengers being detained?

[sail7seas]

So have probably at least 2 dozen countries in the last 100 years. Probably in the last 50.

 

The mosque bombing in Quebec City was not terrorism -- wrongthough it was a hate crime. In that case, and in the three cases of terrorism in Canada that I can think of, the perpetrators were non-immigrant Canadians (well, in the Quebec City mosque bombings, he is actually the presumed perpetrator).

 

 

I ust head news report on our local NBC station where the Prime Minisster said yeseraay's shooting in Quebec Cigtyh is a n act of terrorrism.

 

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[Cruise Junky]

I ust head news report on our local NBC station where the Prime Minisster said yeseraay's shooting in Quebec Cigtyh is a n act of terrorrism.

 

B old is mine

 

Turns out the shooter was a white Canadian who hated muslims and an apparent Trump supporter. It was a hate crime against muslims. Could certainly be classified as terrorism but not the type that is normally being spoke about

[sfaaa]

No to both...

 

Parliament shooter was Michael Zehaf-Bibeau, a 32-year-old Canadian habitual offender and drug addict from Montreal. Considered by several acquaintances to have mental issues.

 

The lone suspect in the shooting at the Quebec City mosque Sunday night is believed to be Alexandre Bissonnette, a 27-year-old student at Université Laval who was studying anthropology before switching to political science.

 

No? You sure? For years, Canada and USA are two of the countries specifically called out by Al Quada and ISIS as chosen targets to attack due to their military involvement in War on Terror. Does the name Khadr sound familiar to you? The Khadar family used to live in Toronto and old man Khadar was a high ranking AQ member with direct link to Osama Bin Laden.

[Debbers]

How about if you don't have a US passport? For instance a now adult born in the US who never applied for a US passport. Now they live in Canada and have traveled to the US countless times on their Canadian passport?

 

A passport is analogous to citizenship. A person may have dual citizenship and, hence, two passports. But how would a US citizen obtain a Canadian passport? Are you assuming that person is a dual citizen with only one passport? I suppose that's possible.

[SuiteTraveler]

Turns out the shooter was a white Canadian who hated muslims and an apparent Trump supporter. It was a hate crime against muslims. Could certainly be classified as terrorism but not the type that is normally being spoke about

 

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-attack-quickly-depicted-as-a-moroccan-muslim-hes-a-white-nationalist/

 

""The actual shooting suspect is 27-year-old Alexandre Bissonnette, a white French Canadian who is, by all appearances, a rabid anti-immigrant nationalist. A leader of a local immigration rights groups, François Deschamps, told a local paper he recognized his photo as an anti-immigrant far-right “troll” who has been hostile to the group online. And Bisonnette’s Facebook page – now taken down but still archived – lists among its “likes” the far right French nationalist Marine Le Pen, Islam critics Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, the Israeli Defense Forces, and Donald J. Trump (he also “likes” the liberal Canadian Party NDP along with more neutral “likes” such as Tom Hanks, the Sopranos and Katy Perry).""

 

As info, Tom Hanks and Katy Perry are both Democrats.

[Karysa]

AFAIK, if you have maintained US citizenship, then you must use a US passport to enter and leave the country. A couple of benchmarks for maintaining US citizenship: Filing annual US income tax returns (even if you have no taxable income) and having a current US passport. A not often enforced regulation states that if you do neither of the above, then the US can declare that you have no interest in maintaining your citizenship (and therefore can revoke it).

 

Does their Canadian passport list their place of birth as being in the US? If so, then US passport control agents should have questioned them about it each time they crossed the border. As has been previously mentioned, most countries require their nationals to enter and leave the country on their national passport; they are free to use whichever passport they prefer when entering or leaving other countries.

 

Yes. Canadian passports list city of birth. They have never, ever been questioned in 20 + years. They would be terrified if they were to be taken to a back room and questioned and sent back home. They will be legally allowed to drink an adult beverage in their country of birth in the very near future so perhaps they are old enough now to make the decision to keep their US citizenship or give it up. I think that this is a decision for mature adults to make for themselves.

 

Regarding the taxes we have been told by two accountants that there is indeed a dollar figure that they have to reach before having to file income tax. I'm not saying that you are not correct. I'm saying that is what we have been told.

 

What do you mean by if you have maintained your US citizenship? You mentioned that this included maintaining a US passport. Lots of US citizens on cc don't have passports. Am I missing something here?

Edited January 31, 2017 by Karysa

[hel0013]

No? You sure? For years, Canada and USA are two of the countries specifically called out by Al Quada and ISIS as chosen targets to attack due to their military involvement in War on Terror. Does the name Khadr sound familiar to you? The Khadar family used to live in Toronto and old man Khadar was a high ranking AQ member with direct link to Osama Bin Laden.

 

 

Neither shooter have any ties to Al Qaeda, ISIS or any other organization. They're not tied to Omar Khadr or his family either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Karysa]

A passport is analogous to citizenship. A person may have dual citizenship and, hence, two passports. But how would a US citizen obtain a Canadian passport? Are you assuming that person is a dual citizen with only one passport? I suppose that's possible.

 

Legally ( if that matters ) born in US to Canadian parents. US birth certificate given. Canadian citizenship applied for and granted. Moved to Canada as toddlers. Rest of family Canadian citizens only. Canadian Passports obtained as young children. Lived their lives in Canada since toddlers. I have always considered them dual citizens and no one has every told me otherwise.

[Karysa]

I ust head news report on our local NBC station where the Prime Minisster said yeseraay's shooting in Quebec Cigtyh is a n act of terrorrism.

 

B old is mine

 

Ya there is a lot of debate on talk radio today in Toronto about what he has said over this whole past weekend. He is very charismatic to some and very dramatic to others. He looks good on camera though:) Regarding the attack in Quebec. They have the suspect. He acted alone. I'm sure that authorities are talking to him. I'm not exactly sure what differentiates terrorism and a hate crime. He targeted people of a certain religion. When Jewish synagogues are marked with graffiti they call it a hate crime so that's why I went with hate crime. It's all hate to me actually.

[happy trailer]

Yes. Canadian passports list city of birth. They have never, ever been questioned in 20 + years. They would be terrified if they were to be taken to a back room and questioned and sent back home. They will be legally allowed to drink an adult beverage in their country of birth in the very near future so perhaps they are old enough now to make the decision to keep their US citizenship or give it up. I think that this is a decision for mature adults to make for themselves.

 

Regarding the taxes we have been told by two accountants that there is indeed a dollar figure that they have to reach before having to file income tax. I'm not saying that you are not correct. I'm saying that is what we have been told.

 

What do you mean by if you have maintained your US citizenship? You mentioned that this included maintaining a US passport. Lots of US citizens on cc don't have passports. Am I missing something here?

 

One of the ways that a US citizen can show they want to maintain their citizenship is by having a current passport. Another way is to file annual tax returns. My understanding is that you only need to fulfill one of the recommended criteria (there may be others) in order to signal your desire to identify as a US citizen.

 

It might be that the US has different rules for different countries. I'd rather not go into all the details here, especially since what your accountants are saying is different than the info I have been told. It might also be that the rules are different for minors. I am, though, very surprised that they have never been questioned about not having a US passport when crossing the border.

 

Out of curiosity- you are speaking of your children? Are you a US citizen? Dual citizen? Have a US passport? Renounce your US citizenship? (If yes, then maybe your minor children effectively lost their US citizenship when you renounced yours?)

 

I'm thinking you might want to check with an immigration specialist, in addition to the accountants.

[chengkp75]

Legally ( if that matters ) born in US to Canadian parents. US birth certificate given. Canadian citizenship applied for and granted. Moved to Canada as toddlers. Rest of family Canadian citizens only. Canadian Passports obtained as young children. Lived their lives in Canada since toddlers. I have always considered them dual citizens and no one has every told me otherwise.

 

Do children of Canadian citizens automatically get Canadian citizenship, regardless of place of birth? If so, then they are dual citizens. If they voluntarily requested Canadian citizenship, then the US considers that they have relinquished their US citizenship.

[SuiteTraveler]

Legally ( if that matters ) born in US to Canadian parents. US birth certificate given. Canadian citizenship applied for and granted. Moved to Canada as toddlers. Rest of family Canadian citizens only. Canadian Passports obtained as young children. Lived their lives in Canada since toddlers. I have always considered them dual citizens and no one has every told me otherwise.

 

These children would be dual citizens. They would be US citizens by birthright - even if the ONLY reason they were in the US was that the mother was brought into a US border hospital. The only issue is that the US Internal Revenue Service taxes citizens worldwide. So, are these children now adults and if so, are they filing yearly tax returns with the IRS as well as paying Canadian taxes? Here's some information these people may need or perhaps they already know this and have been paying taxes all these years:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2011/12/06/irs-relief-to-canadian-dual-citizens/#6d7dedce144d

[Karysa]

One of the ways that a US citizen can show they want to maintain their citizenship is by having a current passport. Another way is to file annual tax returns. My understanding is that you only need to fulfill one of the recommended criteria (there may be others) in order to signal your desire to identify as a US citizen.

 

It might be that the US has different rules for different countries. I'd rather not go into all the details here, especially since what your accountants are saying is different than the info I have been told. It might also be that the rules are different for minors. I am, though, very surprised that they have never been questioned about not having a US passport when crossing the border.

 

Out of curiosity- you are speaking of your children? Are you a US citizen? Dual citizen? Have a US passport? Renounce your US citizenship? (If yes, then maybe your minor children effectively lost their US citizenship when you renounced yours?)

 

I'm thinking you might want to check with an immigration specialist, in addition to the accountants.

 

 

Yes I most certainly need to speak to an immigration specialist. They are almost 21. They live minutes and I mean minutes from the US border while at school. Yes they are my children. Neither DH or myself are US citizens. We are Canadian citizens. Since they were born in the states we had to apply for Canadian citizenship for them.

 

Since you think that it's weird that they have never been questioned at the border or airport I will tell you a funny story. Maybe 8-10 years ago while crossing the border to visit friends in Ohio my husband was questioned by the border guard about his old visa. He was so impressed with the type of visa that my husband was given years before while we were in the US that he actually popped his head through the drivers window and told our kids sitting in the back seat all about it and went on and on about their dad to them. It was very odd. That is the only time that anything was ever brought up about our passports.

 

Not wanting my girls to be questioned or worse right now and not wanting to freak them out about not having a US passport to enter the states I told them that due to the protests just don't go over. They were good with that. Hopefully a cheap ticket doesn't come up for a concert or a hockey game lol.

 

It just didn't seem like an issue... Until now.:)

[Karysa]

Do children of Canadian citizens automatically get Canadian citizenship, regardless of place of birth? If so, then they are dual citizens. If they voluntarily requested Canadian citizenship, then the US considers that they have relinquished their US citizenship.

 

No they were US citizens. We applied for Canadian citizenship for them. It was a formality really to become Canadian Citizens they were infants. No ceremony or any fan fare. It was like applying for a passport really. So they were only US citizens for 6 weeks? And here I still wish them a Happy 4th of July. lol

[Karysa]

These children would be dual citizens. They would be US citizens by birthright - even if the ONLY reason they were in the US was that the mother was brought into a US border hospital. The only issue is that the US Internal Revenue Service taxes citizens worldwide. So, are these children now adults and if so, are they filing yearly tax returns with the IRS as well as paying Canadian taxes? Here's some information these people may need or perhaps they already know this and have been paying taxes all these years:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2011/12/06/irs-relief-to-canadian-dual-citizens/#6d7dedce144d

 

Yes this is relatively new about the taxes. Like I said before the accountant is aware. We will consult with an immigration specialist though. Thank you for the link.

[hel0013]

Ya there is a lot of debate on talk radio today in Toronto about what he has said over this whole past weekend. He is very charismatic to some and very dramatic to others. He looks good on camera though:) Regarding the attack in Quebec. They have the suspect. He acted alone. I'm sure that authorities are talking to him. I'm not exactly sure what differentiates terrorism and a hate crime. He targeted people of a certain religion. When Jewish synagogues are marked with graffiti they call it a hate crime so that's why I went with hate crime. It's all hate to me actually.

 

 

The media and Justin both sensationalize often.

 

Terrorism is defined.. It is the use of violence or threat of violence in order to purport a political, religious, or ideological change.

 

A Hate crime is defined.... A hate crime is a traditional offense like murder, arson, or vandalism with an added element of bias. For the purposes of collecting statistics, the FBI has defined a hate crime as a “criminal offense against a person or property motivated in whole or in part by an offender’s bias against a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, ethnicity, gender, or gender identity.” Hate itself is not a crime—and the FBI is mindful of protecting freedom of speech and other civil liberties.

 

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[Karysa]

I have a 10 day cruise planned for Hawaii in May. I have everything planned, hotel in Maui for 4 nights, a hotel in Kauai for a week and flights to Maui, Kauai and Honolulu, the cruise and then a flight home after that. Helicopter rides, snorkel trips, a luau and ya part of me is a little torn about going. I have put a lot into it. It's a 25th anniversary trip and we have saved Hawaii for that. We aren't in final payment yet. Unlike others who contemplate upcoming travel to the US, I lived there. People treated me extremely well there. I have American born daughters. I don't like the thought of ordinary people paying the price of lost revenue because of issues out of their control.

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[LHT28]

Do children of Canadian citizens automatically get Canadian citizenship, regardless of place of birth? If so, then they are dual citizens. If they voluntarily requested Canadian citizenship, then the US considers that they have relinquished their US citizenship.

My nephew is a Canadian by birth & moved to the USA married & lives in the USA His wife is a US citizen they have 2 children both have dual citizenship as does my nephew

Both children have US & Canadian passports they were here in June & no bad things happened at the border to them

[Host Walt]

I am watching the news about airline passengers being delayed due to the new "ban". Has this affected cruising/cruisers/crew members to anyone's knowledge?

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