Ruby Princess police investigation

[DiamondFour]

1 hour ago, Pushka said:

 

If they subpeona you there is no choice.

 

Turns out that my sister whom I socially distanced with today has friends who were actually on this cruise. And they arent all that complimentary about procedures. He has been sick and tested positive but recovering at home. She is fine.  I wont say anything more but they will be cooperating with any questions and share their concerns.

You did not say who the were not too complimentary about. When you say procedures I take that to mean shore side procedures.....

[Pushka]

5 minutes ago, DiamondFour said:

You did not say who the were not too complimentary about. When you say procedures I take that to mean shore side procedures.....

I'll leave it at procedures. It will be up to others more expert than us to judge who is responsible for what during that process. 

[Kiwi Kruzer]

Still docked at Port Kembla

 

[BRANDEE]

Do any of you know if the police are contacting Americans?  A passenger from Florida was contacted and is getting a call tomorrow from Australian police regarding this matter.  Sound right??

[By The Bay]

8 minutes ago, BRANDEE said:

Do any of you know if the police are contacting Americans?  A passenger from Florida was contacted and is getting a call tomorrow from Australian police regarding this matter.  Sound right??

From an article on the ABC (Australia) website.

 

"The criminal investigation — launched last week — already has 220 leads.

Police suggested the starting point of the investigation was assessing whether the Ruby Princess and its operator, Carnival Cruises, were honest about the illness onboard.

 

They also indicated all passengers may be interviewed."

[By The Bay]

I cannot believe that Princess still has plans to sail the Ruby Princess to Alaska this year. The gall of the company. See link

 

"We will continue round-trip sailings from Seattle to Alaska on Emerald Princess and Ruby Princess."

[Shiprobbo]

I have resisted commenting on this, but.....

 

This is an absolute disgrace and a witch hunt against Princess. Reporting has been biased against them from the start and appears intent on laying blame. There is a clear intent to deflect any blame away from the NSW Department of Health and from Boarder Force.

 

Aspects that should come into focus is:

 

Why are Princess being treated differently from every airline flying into the country? Everyone of them at some stage or another has contributed to the virus spread.

What attempts have been made to track back the inbound passengers to their flights to determine the virus profile from each flight that inbound passengers were on?

If spreading the virus in a confined environment is a bio-security 'crime', what steps are being taken against the nusrse who deliberately went to work at the Anglicare Newmarch facility even though sick and has now infected at least 10?

What about the origin of other cluster groups?

 

It seems that there is a desire to point the figure for the whole of Australia's Covid-19 issue back at the Ruby Princess.

 

So, when will cruising restart.....The ships have been kicked out, no other country has done this, our media is trying their best to destroy the profile, why would they want to come back? Yes we are a market, but there are many others around the world that have not sought to blame this entire problem in one area. How welcome have we made the crews feel by telling them to 'go home'. I find this very depressing right now.

 

Rant over and I will crawl back in my hole!!

 

Cheers,

[Aus Traveller]

36 minutes ago, By The Bay said:

I cannot believe that Princess still has plans to sail the Ruby Princess to Alaska this year. The gall of the company. See link

 

"We will continue round-trip sailings from Seattle to Alaska on Emerald Princess and Ruby Princess."

That cruise is not going to happen. Up until now, Princess has cancelled all cruises up to the end of June. This is a moving target, and later cruises will also be cancelled. There is no way a cruise can operate from an port in USA in July.

[Pushka]

1 hour ago, BRANDEE said:

Do any of you know if the police are contacting Americans?  A passenger from Florida was contacted and is getting a call tomorrow from Australian police regarding this matter.  Sound right??

 

Sounds feasible. They seem to be moving very fast. I wonder how they will manage ID checks for the caller though? They do plan to contact all passengers.

 

Cruises are completely different from planes. In many cases planes are a necessity, cruises never are. While a plane may transport someone with the virus, I have yet to hear of a case where someone caught the virus from someone else whilst on a plane. Over 700 people just on this cruise alone did. 18 died. And that is only Australians.

 

So we have Diamond. Golden. Ruby. Coral. Multiple deaths. Yes there are other cruiselines caught up in this pandemic. But Princess - what is happening here? This is no witch hunt. This is reality. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by Pushka

[Aus Traveller]

Saying that the original source of the infection is "most likely a crew member who was involved with the food for both passengers and crew" isn't logical. When passengers disembarked on 19th March, we now know that at least 700 were infected, but there would have been very few crew, even they live and party in close proximity to each other. This is proven by the fact that even today,  there are 66 crew who tested positive out of 1,056 - 6.25%. Out of 2,547 passengers, more than 700 people have tested positive - 27.7%.

 

After the cruise ended, the passengers dispersed and were told to self-isolate so they would not have spread COVID to other passengers. However the crew continued to live in close proximity to each other, causing the infection to spread through the crew. Even so there are now only 66 cases. If the original source of the infection had been a crew member, we would see a very high percentage of the crew with COVID.

[Aus Traveller]

53 minutes ago, Shiprobbo said:

This is an absolute disgrace and a witch hunt against Princess. Reporting has been biased against them from the start and appears intent on laying blame. There is a clear intent to deflect any blame away from the NSW Department of Health and from Boarder Force.

 

Aspects that should come into focus is:

 

Why are Princess being treated differently from every airline flying into the country? Everyone of them at some stage or another has contributed to the virus spread.

What attempts have been made to track back the inbound passengers to their flights to determine the virus profile from each flight that inbound passengers were on?

If spreading the virus in a confined environment is a bio-security 'crime', what steps are being taken against the nusrse who deliberately went to work at the Anglicare Newmarch facility even though sick and has now infected at least 10?

What about the origin of other cluster groups?

 

It seems that there is a desire to point the figure for the whole of Australia's Covid-19 issue back at the Ruby Princess.

I agree with your comments that the intent of this enquiry must be to deflect blame away from the NSW Dept of Health and Border Force.

 

Now instead of focusing on this, attention is going to the original source of the infection. However, the theory put forward by the police isn't logical (as I mentioned in my previous post). I don't believe Police should put forward a 'theory' when it is just that. They would have been able to very quickly determine which new crew boarded the ship on 8th March, if any did, and see what jobs they had on the ship. Out of 1,056 crew, if there were 30 new arrivals (a guess by me) they were only 2.84% of the total number of crew. Then we have to assume that one worked in the galley (not likely). If this hypothetical new crew member worked in the galley serving the passenger dining rooms, has he/she tested positive to COVID? All of this could have been determined very quickly, but no, the NSW authorities continue to drag out this theory.

 

We also have to consider that 934 (I think that was the number I heard) overseas passengers boarded the Ruby on the 8th March - more than one-third of the passenger complement. The vast majority of these would have come North America and Europe (particularly UK) where the virus was already widespread early in March. Where do you think the virus is more likely to have come from????

 

However, the only reason I can see for the current concentration on the source of the infection on the Ruby Princess, is to focus the public's attention on the cruise ship and Carnival Australia. Although other 'clusters' didn't result in anywhere near as many infections, they have barely been mentioned.

Edited April 15, 2020 by Aus Traveller

[Aus Traveller]

1 hour ago, By The Bay said:

I cannot believe that Princess still has plans to sail the Ruby Princess to Alaska this year. The gall of the company. See link

 

"We will continue round-trip sailings from Seattle to Alaska on Emerald Princess and Ruby Princess."

This cruise is cancelled. Here is a post from the Princess section of Cruise Critic.

Just got an email on my August 11, 2020 Alaskan cruise is canceled along with the 2020 Alaskan cruise season.

[lyndarra]

1 hour ago, Shiprobbo said:

I have resisted commenting on this, but.....

 

This is an absolute disgrace and a witch hunt against Princess. Reporting has been biased against them from the start and appears intent on laying blame. There is a clear intent to deflect any blame away from the NSW Department of Health and from Boarder Force.

 

Aspects that should come into focus is:

 

Why are Princess being treated differently from every airline flying into the country? Everyone of them at some stage or another has contributed to the virus spread.

What attempts have been made to track back the inbound passengers to their flights to determine the virus profile from each flight that inbound passengers were on?

If spreading the virus in a confined environment is a bio-security 'crime', what steps are being taken against the nusrse who deliberately went to work at the Anglicare Newmarch facility even though sick and has now infected at least 10?

What about the origin of other cluster groups?

 

It seems that there is a desire to point the figure for the whole of Australia's Covid-19 issue back at the Ruby Princess.

 

So, when will cruising restart.....The ships have been kicked out, no other country has done this, our media is trying their best to destroy the profile, why would they want to come back? Yes we are a market, but there are many others around the world that have not sought to blame this entire problem in one area. How welcome have we made the crews feel by telling them to 'go home'. I find this very depressing right now.

 

Rant over and I will crawl back in my hole!!

 

Cheers,

That was a cheap shot at the nurse. He/she was asymptomatic i.e. exhibiting no symptoms. It was reported that this nurse had been in contact with a Covid-19 positive person but did he/she know it at the time? Do you have any verifiable evidence to the contrary? This is a better example for the need to test, test, test.

[lyndarra]

51 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

 However, the theory put forward by the police isn't logical (as I mentioned in my previous post). I don't believe Police should put forward a 'theory' when it is just that.

Agreed. The latest kitchen/galley worker theory is as weak as water. It shows that whoever thought it up has little, if any, knowledge of how meals are prepared and served on a cruise ship especially if there was an inference that the virus was spread in the food. This virus cannot be passed on in food, unless you're into snorting it. This virus is destroyed in the digestion process.

[Aus Traveller]

22 minutes ago, lyndarra said:

Agreed. The latest kitchen/galley worker theory is as weak as water. It shows that whoever thought it up has little, if any, knowledge of how meals are prepared and served on a cruise ship especially if there was an inference that the virus was spread in the food. This virus cannot be passed on in food, unless you're into snorting it. This virus is destroyed in the digestion process.

After your post I was curious about the possibility of food being a transmission route for COVID. The short answer is that the experts believe it is not possible. Here is a link. The relevant part about food is well down the page, but it is worth reading.

 

https://paloaltoonline.com/blogs/p/2020/03/21/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide

[lyndarra]

17 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

After your post I was curious about the possibility of food being a transmission route for COVID. The short answer is that the experts believe it is not possible. Here is a link. The relevant part about food is well down the page, but it is worth reading.

 

https://paloaltoonline.com/blogs/p/2020/03/21/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide

Here's another.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-food-risk.html

[Aus Traveller]

6 minutes ago, lyndarra said:

Here's another.

https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-food-risk.html

Thanks for posting these links. Both articles are interesting. BTW, they further destroy the Police 'theory'.

[lyndarra]

4 hours ago, lyndarra said:

That was a cheap shot at the nurse. He/she was asymptomatic i.e. exhibiting no symptoms. It was reported that this nurse had been in contact with a Covid-19 positive person but did he/she know it at the time? Do you have any verifiable evidence to the contrary? This is a better example for the need to test, test, test.

I guess I have to take back what I said. Watching the news just now it was mentioned that the person did have minor symptoms if they are talking about the same event. There's a lot happening in Tassie ATM.

[DiamondFour]

4 hours ago, Aus Traveller said:

Thanks for posting these links. Both articles are interesting. BTW, they further destroy the Police 'theory'.

It only fits with their attempt to blame the ship instead of the virus that came from china. Any seasoned cruiser could have said this based on knowing how people eat on the ships. I found it suspicious right away and it brings into question the credibility of the entire police force and highly unusual for a commissioner to go out like that and even admit there is no evidence to back up his theory.

[Aus Traveller]

6 minutes ago, DiamondFour said:

It only fits with their attempt to blame the ship instead of the virus that came from china. Any seasoned cruiser could have said this based on knowing how people eat on the ships. I found it suspicious right away and it brings into question the credibility of the entire police force and highly unusual for a commissioner to go out like that and even admit there is no evidence to back up his theory.

I haven't been agreeing with you on the theory of "corruption" in relation to the Police inquiry, but I will wait and see also. I think it  is more likely that the Commissioner is protecting his political masters' backsides and therefore his own.

[rickays]

15 minutes ago, Aus Traveller said:

I haven't been agreeing with you on the theory of "corruption" in relation to the Police inquiry, but I will wait and see also. I think it  is more likely that the Commissioner is protecting his political masters' backsides and therefore his own.

Or it is the media doing the damage, taking comments out of context and not reporting facts instead of their wild assumptions like this piece https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-ruby-princess-photo-shows-passengers-never-stood-a-chance/news-story/991422fe687682d21f6eca47335a43ab

NSW Police announced a criminal investigation into the operator of the Ruby Princess, Carnival Australia  No mention of NSW Health or anyone else.

Edited April 15, 2020 by rickays

[Aus Traveller]

50 minutes ago, rickays said:

Or it is the media doing the damage, taking comments out of context and not reporting facts instead of their wild assumptions like this piece https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-ruby-princess-photo-shows-passengers-never-stood-a-chance/news-story/991422fe687682d21f6eca47335a43ab

NSW Police announced a criminal investigation into the operator of the Ruby Princess, Carnival Australia  No mention of NSW Health or anyone else.

The newspaper article you quoted has some interesting points:

1.  It claims the Ruby Princess sailed three days after WHO declared a pandemic, but the Ruby sailed on the 8th March but WHO declared a pandemic on 11th March. They had the "three days" the wrong way around!

 

2.  The article claims the following:  NSW Police announced a criminal investigation into the operator of the Ruby Princess, Carnival Australia, earlier this month, while Shine Lawyers in Australia have mounted a class action against the company saying passengers were not advised of the risk and were not monitored for symptoms.

 

It will be a travesty of justice if NSW Police only investigate Carnival Australia and not NSW Health and Border Force and why they allowed passengers to disembark. However, this statement could be a journalistic error by The New Zealand Herald, the source of the article.

[Porky55]

20 hours ago, Pushka said:

have yet to hear of a case where someone caught the virus from someone else whilst on a plane.

This is just your State of SA: 

 

Known flights with confirmed cases of COVID-19 

Known flights to Adelaide with confirmed cases of COVID-19

Flight #	Airline	Origin / Destination	Date of Arrival	Close contact rows	Watch for symptoms dates until
EY450	Ethiad Airways	Abu Dhabi - Sydney	10/03/20	30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36	24/03/20
QF663	Qantas	Brisbane - Adelaide	10/03/20	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	24/03/20
VA418	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	10/03/20	7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12	24/03/20
QF12	Qantas	Los Angeles - Sydney	11/03/20	1,2,3,4,5	25/03/20
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	11/03/20	1,2,3,4	25/03/20
JQ452	Jetstar	Adelaide - Gold Coast	12/03/20	**	26/03/20
QF20	Qantas	Manila - Sydney	13/03/20	46, 47, 48, 49, 50	27/03/20
QF739	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	13/03/20	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	27/03/20
QF50	Qantas	San Francisco - Melbourne	13/03/20	2, 3, 4, 5, 6	27/03/20
QF679	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	13/03/20 10:25	1, 2, 3, 4	27/03/20
QF94	Qantas	Los Angeles - Melbourne	13/03/20	34, 35, 36, 37, 38	27/03/20
QF685	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	13/03/20	9, 10, 11, 12, 13	27/03/20
NZ191	Air New Zealand	Auckland - Adelaide	13/03/20	3, 4, 5, 6, 7	27/03/20
QF751	Qantas	Adelaide - Sydney	15/03/20	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	29/03/20
JQ453	Jetstar	Gold Coast - Adelaide	15/03/20	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	29/03/20
EK440	Emirates Airlines	Dubai - Adelaide	15/03/20	23, 24, 25, 26, 27	29/03/20
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	16/03/20	5, 6, 7, 8, 9	30/03/20
VA213	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/20	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	30/03/20
QF675	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/20	23, 24, 25, 26, 17	30/03/20
VA211	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/20	4, 5, 6, 7, 8	30/03/20
VA437	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	17/03/20	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/20
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	17/03/20	7 ,8, 9, 10, 11	31/03/20
QF677	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	17/03/20	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/20
QF783	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/20	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	01/04/20
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/20	11, 12, 13, 14, 15	01/04/20
VA243	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	18/03/20	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	01/04/20
VA444	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26	02/04/20
JQ768	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	02/04/20
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	All	02/04/20
VA428	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	All	02/04/20
JQ764	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	1, 2, 3	02/04/20
VA436	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	1, 2, 3, 4, 5	02/04/20
VA418	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31	02/04/20
VA249	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	19/03/20	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	02/04/20
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/20	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	03/04/20
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/20	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	03/04/20
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	21/03/20	**	04/04/20
QF2701	Qantas	Adelaide - Whyalla	13/03/20	6, 7, 8, 9, 10	27/03/20
VA213	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	14/03/20	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	28/03/20
JQ453	Jetstar	Gold Coast - Adelaide	15/03/2020	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	29/03/2020
QF751	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	15/03/2020	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	29/03/2020
EK440	Emirates Airlines	Dubai - Adelaide	15/03/2020	23, 24, 25, 26, 27	29/03/2020
VA211	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/2020	4, 5, 6, 7, 8	30/03/2020
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	16/03/2020	5, 6, 7, 8, 9	30/03/2020
VA213	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/2020	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	30/03/2020
QF675	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/2020	23, 24, 25, 26, 17	30/03/2020
VA437	Virgin Australia	Adelaide - Sydney	17/03/2020	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	17/03/2020	7, 8, 9, 10, 11	31/03/2020
QF677	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	17/03/2020	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/2020
VA243	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	18/03/2020	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	01/04/2020
QF783	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/2020	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	01/04/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/2020	11, 12, 13, 14, 15	01/04/2020
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/2020	1, 2, 3, 4, 5	01/04/2020
QF761	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	18/03/2020	15, 16, 17, 18, 19	01/04/2020
VA444	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26	02/04/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	All	02/04/2020
JQ768	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	02/04/2020
VA428	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	All	02/04/2020
JQ764	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	1, 2, 3	02/04/2020
VA436	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	1, 2, 3, 4, 5	02/04/2020
VA418	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31	02/04/2020
VA249	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	19/03/2020	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	02/04/2020
VA838	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Melbourne	19/03/2020	23, 24, 25, 26, 27	02/04/2020
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	03/04/2020
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	03/04/2020
JQ563	Jetstar	Brisbane - Melbourne	20/03/2020	10, 11, 12, 13, 14	03/04/2020
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	3, 4, 5, 6, 7	03/04/2020
VA444	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	03/04/2020
VA428	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	15, 16, 17, 18, 19	03/04/2020
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	21/03/2020	11, 12, 13, 14, 15	04/04/2020
VA1392	Virgin Australia	Brisbane - Adelaide	21/03/2020	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	04/04/2020
TT461	Tiger	Melbourne - Adelaide	22/03/2020	**	05/04/2020
QF683	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	22/03/2020	14, 15, 16, 17, 18	05/04/2020
QF739	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	22/03/2020	14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19	05/04/2020
VA227	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	22/03/2020	8, 9, 10, 11, 12	05/04/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	25/03/2020	**	08/04/2020

Advice for passengers on flights with a confirmed case of COVID-19

Edited April 15, 2020 by Porky55

[Pushka]

1 hour ago, Porky55 said:

This is just your State of SA: 

 

Known flights with confirmed cases of COVID-19 

Known flights to Adelaide with confirmed cases of COVID-19

Flight #	Airline	Origin / Destination	Date of Arrival	Close contact rows	Watch for symptoms dates until
EY450	Ethiad Airways	Abu Dhabi - Sydney	10/03/20	30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36	24/03/20
QF663	Qantas	Brisbane - Adelaide	10/03/20	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	24/03/20
VA418	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	10/03/20	7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12	24/03/20
QF12	Qantas	Los Angeles - Sydney	11/03/20	1,2,3,4,5	25/03/20
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	11/03/20	1,2,3,4	25/03/20
JQ452	Jetstar	Adelaide - Gold Coast	12/03/20	**	26/03/20
QF20	Qantas	Manila - Sydney	13/03/20	46, 47, 48, 49, 50	27/03/20
QF739	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	13/03/20	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	27/03/20
QF50	Qantas	San Francisco - Melbourne	13/03/20	2, 3, 4, 5, 6	27/03/20
QF679	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	13/03/20 10:25	1, 2, 3, 4	27/03/20
QF94	Qantas	Los Angeles - Melbourne	13/03/20	34, 35, 36, 37, 38	27/03/20
QF685	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	13/03/20	9, 10, 11, 12, 13	27/03/20
NZ191	Air New Zealand	Auckland - Adelaide	13/03/20	3, 4, 5, 6, 7	27/03/20
QF751	Qantas	Adelaide - Sydney	15/03/20	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	29/03/20
JQ453	Jetstar	Gold Coast - Adelaide	15/03/20	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	29/03/20
EK440	Emirates Airlines	Dubai - Adelaide	15/03/20	23, 24, 25, 26, 27	29/03/20
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	16/03/20	5, 6, 7, 8, 9	30/03/20
VA213	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/20	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	30/03/20
QF675	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/20	23, 24, 25, 26, 17	30/03/20
VA211	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/20	4, 5, 6, 7, 8	30/03/20
VA437	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	17/03/20	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/20
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	17/03/20	7 ,8, 9, 10, 11	31/03/20
QF677	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	17/03/20	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/20
QF783	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/20	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	01/04/20
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/20	11, 12, 13, 14, 15	01/04/20
VA243	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	18/03/20	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	01/04/20
VA444	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26	02/04/20
JQ768	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	02/04/20
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	All	02/04/20
VA428	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	All	02/04/20
JQ764	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	1, 2, 3	02/04/20
VA436	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	1, 2, 3, 4, 5	02/04/20
VA418	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/20	11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31	02/04/20
VA249	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	19/03/20	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	02/04/20
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/20	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	03/04/20
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/20	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	03/04/20
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	21/03/20	**	04/04/20
QF2701	Qantas	Adelaide - Whyalla	13/03/20	6, 7, 8, 9, 10	27/03/20
VA213	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	14/03/20	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	28/03/20
JQ453	Jetstar	Gold Coast - Adelaide	15/03/2020	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	29/03/2020
QF751	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	15/03/2020	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	29/03/2020
EK440	Emirates Airlines	Dubai - Adelaide	15/03/2020	23, 24, 25, 26, 27	29/03/2020
VA211	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/2020	4, 5, 6, 7, 8	30/03/2020
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	16/03/2020	5, 6, 7, 8, 9	30/03/2020
VA213	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/2020	16, 17, 18, 19, 20	30/03/2020
QF675	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	16/03/2020	23, 24, 25, 26, 17	30/03/2020
VA437	Virgin Australia	Adelaide - Sydney	17/03/2020	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	17/03/2020	7, 8, 9, 10, 11	31/03/2020
QF677	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	17/03/2020	12, 13, 14, 15, 16	31/03/2020
VA243	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	18/03/2020	18, 19, 20, 21, 22	01/04/2020
QF783	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/2020	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	01/04/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/2020	11, 12, 13, 14, 15	01/04/2020
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	18/03/2020	1, 2, 3, 4, 5	01/04/2020
QF761	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	18/03/2020	15, 16, 17, 18, 19	01/04/2020
VA444	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26	02/04/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	All	02/04/2020
JQ768	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	02/04/2020
VA428	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	All	02/04/2020
JQ764	Jetstar	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	1, 2, 3	02/04/2020
VA436	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	1, 2, 3, 4, 5	02/04/2020
VA418	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	19/03/2020	11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31	02/04/2020
VA249	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	19/03/2020	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	02/04/2020
VA838	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Melbourne	19/03/2020	23, 24, 25, 26, 27	02/04/2020
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	19, 20, 21, 22, 23	03/04/2020
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	03/04/2020
JQ563	Jetstar	Brisbane - Melbourne	20/03/2020	10, 11, 12, 13, 14	03/04/2020
QF741	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	3, 4, 5, 6, 7	03/04/2020
VA444	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	21, 22, 23, 24, 25	03/04/2020
VA428	Virgin Australia	Sydney - Adelaide	20/03/2020	15, 16, 17, 18, 19	03/04/2020
QF761	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	21/03/2020	11, 12, 13, 14, 15	04/04/2020
VA1392	Virgin Australia	Brisbane - Adelaide	21/03/2020	13, 14, 15, 16, 17	04/04/2020
TT461	Tiger	Melbourne - Adelaide	22/03/2020	**	05/04/2020
QF683	Qantas	Melbourne - Adelaide	22/03/2020	14, 15, 16, 17, 18	05/04/2020
QF739	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	22/03/2020	14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19	05/04/2020
VA227	Virgin Australia	Melbourne - Adelaide	22/03/2020	8, 9, 10, 11, 12	05/04/2020
QF759	Qantas	Sydney - Adelaide	25/03/2020	**	08/04/2020

Advice for passengers on flights with a confirmed case of COVID-19

Those are warnings only and you actually proved my point!
 

No one caught it from those flights. You can have an infected person onboard and not catch it. No one came forward on those flights and tested positive. 
 

No one from the Tiger/Virgin flight to Brisbane that the group of many positives from Wuhan back in January caught Covid.
 

No one on the Air China flight where the couple who flew into Adelaide from Wuhan caught it! 

Edited April 15, 2020 by Pushka

[Aus Traveller]

1 hour ago, Pushka said:

Those are warnings only and you actually proved my point!

No one caught it from those flights. You can have an infected person onboard and not catch it. No one came forward on those flights and tested positive.

No one from the Tiger/Virgin flight to Brisbane that the group of many positives from Wuhan back in January caught Covid.

No one on the Air China flight where the couple who flew into Adelaide from Wuhan caught it! 

We don't know if anyone caught COVID on a flight. There is no social distancing in economy!

 

If a person isn't at risk in those circumstances, why are we bothering with social distancing at all? Why have we closed coffee shops and restaurants? You would be further away from strangers in those environments than in a plane.