Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 5, 2022 Author #626 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Statue of the Duke of Ávila and Bolama, a Portuguese politician and ambassador. The stamp machine at the closed post office is ooo!! A lovely artisan market. Fuel is still being pumped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 5, 2022 Author #627 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I am soooooo sorry the above images got squished. CC only give 15 mins to edit and everything this end crashed! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulatsea Posted March 5, 2022 #628 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Glad you got out for the day - thanks for the update. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 5, 2022 Author #629 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Captain's update pre sailaway. Won't be at pilot until around 9am on the 9th so around noon disembark but he's going to try and pull that back. Currently 144 guests and 71 crew confined with Covid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted March 5, 2022 #630 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 hours ago, NorbertsNiece said: Currently 144 guests and 71 crew confined with Covid. Given how many cases have been reported, I wonder if some guests have tested positive twice ? And ignore those that call you pampered. It seems to me that you have a great rapport with the crew, and you have never complained, despite a troubled (understatement) few weeks. Being totally mercenary, I'm wondering if you might end up paying nothing for your total holiday ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennyob Posted March 6, 2022 #631 Share Posted March 6, 2022 9 hours ago, Lady Meer said: Hi Linda Thanks for the updates. Reading that you didn’t alter your clock reminded me that on a transatlantic (can’t remember which ship) the clocks were altered at mid-day. It worked really well as guests and (probably more importantly) the crew, experienced no disruption to their sleep! How are you doing at the quiz? Brenda Brenda, when we’ve done the crossings to the UK on the Queen Mary 2, the clocks were changed at 1 p.m. Is that the line you’re thinking of? We really liked it....we didn’t even notice losing an hour mid-day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Meer Posted March 6, 2022 #632 Share Posted March 6, 2022 6 hours ago, pennyob said: Brenda, when we’ve done the crossings to the UK on the Queen Mary 2, the clocks were changed at 1 p.m. Is that the line you’re thinking of? We really liked it....we didn’t even notice losing an hour mid-day. pennyob, we haven’t been on any Cunard ships but think it may have been Oceania. We thought it was a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey2442 Posted March 6, 2022 #633 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Thanks for letting us know the latest Covid position on board. The number of passengers at 144 presumably covers those in isolation as having been in contact as well as those who have actual caught it. Last Friday the number of infections in England was between 3 and 4 % which includes those not fully vaccinated. Using the higher number and assuming there are 750 passengers on board would imply that 30 people could be infected leaving 114 as contacts. I don't know if they are being restricted to their cabins but these sort of numbers would certainly put me off cruising. The question is the definition of close contacts being over sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 6, 2022 Author #634 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Day 46 / 67 Good morning and thanks for following. Felt poorly last night and came straight back to the room. Better this morning. Awaiting LFT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 6, 2022 Author #635 Share Posted March 6, 2022 36 minutes ago, Harvey2442 said: Thanks for letting us know the latest Covid position on board. The number of passengers at 144 presumably covers those in isolation as having been in contact as well as those who have actual caught it. Last Friday the number of infections in England was between 3 and 4 % which includes those not fully vaccinated. Using the higher number and assuming there are 750 passengers on board would imply that 30 people could be infected leaving 114 as contacts. I don't know if they are being restricted to their cabins but these sort of numbers would certainly put me off cruising. The question is the definition of close contacts being over sensitive. Close contacts are no longer confined. The number relates to those tested positive x 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 6, 2022 Author #636 Share Posted March 6, 2022 11 hours ago, wowzz said: Given how many cases have been reported, I wonder if some guests have tested positive twice ? And ignore those that call you pampered. It seems to me that you have a great rapport with the crew, and you have never complained, despite a troubled (understatement) few weeks. Being totally mercenary, I'm wondering if you might end up paying nothing for your total holiday ? The Caribbean leg is being fully refunded. Many of us have booked through TA's and Saga are looking at the possibility of refunding us directly as opposed to via the TA....... took 60 days to get the cancelled portion of the cruise refunded last year!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted March 6, 2022 #637 Share Posted March 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Lady Meer said: pennyob, we haven’t been on any Cunard ships but think it may have been Oceania. We thought it was a great idea. The mid day time change was certainly done on our Caribbean round trip on Arcadia. I think the decision is down to the individual captain, but it makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 6, 2022 Author #638 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) Captain's update : Warp factor 1 to Southampton arrival hopefully midmorning 9th but will update tomorrow. 3 new crew and 1 guest tested positive in last 24 hours. Makes 57 crew and 143 guests currently infected. Includes those released. Rebooked food delivery for Thursday just in case. I've literally just had LFT. Edited March 6, 2022 by NorbertsNiece 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Peterson Posted March 6, 2022 #639 Share Posted March 6, 2022 12 minutes ago, NorbertsNiece said: Captain's update : Warp factor 1 to Southampton arrival hopefully midmorning 9th but will update tomorrow. 3 new crew and 1 guest tested positive in last 24 hours. Makes 57 crew and 143 guests currently infected. Includes those released. Rebooked food delivery for Thursday just in case. I've literally just had LFT. Those are staggeringly high infection figures, if it’s really around 1 in 5 of all passengers. Or have I misinterpreted something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare NorbertsNiece Posted March 6, 2022 Author #640 Share Posted March 6, 2022 @Harry Peterson you're right. I've tested negative . Gone to lunch. Room service heroes 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dermotsgirl Posted March 6, 2022 #641 Share Posted March 6, 2022 15 minutes ago, Harry Peterson said: Those are staggeringly high infection figures, if it’s really around 1 in 5 of all passengers. Or have I misinterpreted something? It’s a huge amount, and this is with Covid protocols in place However, as people seem to be pushing for the ‘we just gotta live with it and treat it like flu so let’s ignore it’ approach, this level of infection on board would become the norm, if not more. I wouldn’t cruise on that basis, and I don’t think any responsible cruise line would allow the full ‘just gotta live with it’ approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kohima Posted March 6, 2022 #642 Share Posted March 6, 2022 The Saga crew certainly are heroes. They are the best, most professional, kind, cheerful and helpful staff you could ever wish to meet. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulatsea Posted March 6, 2022 #643 Share Posted March 6, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: It’s a huge amount, and this is with Covid protocols in place However, as people seem to be pushing for the ‘we just gotta live with it and treat it like flu so let’s ignore it’ approach, this level of infection on board would become the norm, if not more. I wouldn’t cruise on that basis, and I don’t think any responsible cruise line would allow the full ‘just gotta live with it’ approach Ignoring it will have to be an option eventually - it’s the only way forward- the alternative is constant testing/isolation/bubble excursions only/crew not allowed off the ship and minimising occupational levels which is not sustainable and it still won’t work. It’s impossible to stop this one and I would argue no need anymore as it’s not serious thankfully. hotels and resorts don’t test - I would speculate that the infection levels in those would be the same if not higher than on a ship. Edited March 6, 2022 by paulatsea 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulatsea Posted March 6, 2022 #644 Share Posted March 6, 2022 42 minutes ago, Dermotsgirl said: It’s a huge amount, and this is with Covid protocols in place However, as people seem to be pushing for the ‘we just gotta live with it and treat it like flu so let’s ignore it’ approach, this level of infection on board would become the norm, if not more. I wouldn’t cruise on that basis, and I don’t think any responsible cruise line would allow the full ‘just gotta live with it’ approach No protocol will work - QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted March 6, 2022 #645 Share Posted March 6, 2022 7 hours ago, Lady Meer said: pennyob, we haven’t been on any Cunard ships but think it may have been Oceania. We thought it was a great idea. Saga SoD did this on the way back from NY (2019-2020) - changes all at 14:00 hours. Much better than nighttime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosapphire Posted March 6, 2022 #646 Share Posted March 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Dermotsgirl said: It’s a huge amount, and this is with Covid protocols in place However, as people seem to be pushing for the ‘we just gotta live with it and treat it like flu so let’s ignore it’ approach, this level of infection on board would become the norm, if not more. I wouldn’t cruise on that basis, and I don’t think any responsible cruise line would allow the full ‘just gotta live with it’ approach I believe that currently the cruise lines testing and isolation programmes are to comply with both their CLIA membership regulations, and the regulations of the countries they are sailing to. I think that much will be dropped as and when countries accept that this is now endemic, which in turn depends on how their vaccination programmes go. The main things I am taking from these reports are: (a) this is an incredibly infectious virus, (b) vaccination and masking does not stop infections or transmission, and most importantly, (c) most people would not be aware they had caught it unless they were tested (which does also suggest that it is definitely worth being vaccinated!). If (c) continues, the "just gotta live with it" is the only sensible answer - we accept the risk of all other contagious viruses including influenza and norovirus, both of which are highly contagious especially in crowded circumstances, so this should surely be the same, ultimately. And (d) I rather think that the CEO of Saga is hoping that those of us who read his interview with Saga magazine (I think end 2020) have forgotten his pompous statement about the new ships and safety protocols could "guarantee" no Covid-19 on Saga ships. Wish I had cut it out and kept it. Framed, on the wall. Come to think of it, when I was cancelling my cruises, the telephone operator told me the same thing - they would definitely not have any Covid on their ships! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowzz Posted March 6, 2022 #647 Share Posted March 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Dermotsgirl said: It’s a huge amount, and this is with Covid protocols in place However, as people seem to be pushing for the ‘we just gotta live with it and treat it like flu so let’s ignore it’ approach, this level of infection on board would become the norm, if not more. I wouldn’t cruise on that basis, and I don’t think any responsible cruise line would allow the full ‘just gotta live with it’ approach Given that the current variant leads to symptoms that in the vast majority of cases are no worse than a cold, I think we do have to "live with it". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulatsea Posted March 6, 2022 #648 Share Posted March 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, nosapphire said: I believe that currently the cruise lines testing and isolation programmes are to comply with both their CLIA membership regulations, and the regulations of the countries they are sailing to. I think that much will be dropped as and when countries accept that this is now endemic, which in turn depends on how their vaccination programmes go. The main things I am taking from these reports are: (a) this is an incredibly infectious virus, (b) vaccination and masking does not stop infections or transmission, and most importantly, (c) most people would not be aware they had caught it unless they were tested (which does also suggest that it is definitely worth being vaccinated!). If (c) continues, the "just gotta live with it" is the only sensible answer - we accept the risk of all other contagious viruses including influenza and norovirus, both of which are highly contagious especially in crowded circumstances, so this should surely be the same, ultimately. And (d) I rather think that the CEO of Saga is hoping that those of us who read his interview with Saga magazine (I think end 2020) have forgotten his pompous statement about the new ships and safety protocols could "guarantee" no Covid-19 on Saga ships. Wish I had cut it out and kept it. Framed, on the wall. Come to think of it, when I was cancelling my cruises, the telephone operator told me the same thing - they would definitely not have any Covid on their ships! Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted March 6, 2022 #649 Share Posted March 6, 2022 Zero covid on a ship is impossible, unachievable. Testing and isolation is of limited value , as shown by rapid spread on SoA Omicron is very contagious but generally very mild.. Cruise ships must live with it , like countries are now moving too, or not cruise. If you don't want to live with it don't cruise, and if you live in England don't leave your house either 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcloaked Posted March 6, 2022 #650 Share Posted March 6, 2022 It is always likely that someone will go aboard and already be infected and then pass it on to others. However the majority of people who are fully vaccinated and boosted, find that if they are infected that their symptoms are mostly mild enough that isolating and taking normal pain killers will get them through. On the other hand unvaccinated people, and anyone not having had a booster is effectively unvaccinated when it comes to Omicron, means that some fraction of people who are not triple jabbed will become severely ill if infected.and then need hospital treatment which could cause significant problems for operating any cruise where there are significant numbers of unvaccinated passengers becoming infected. So keeping protocols, and requiring fully boosted passengers looks like being the best option to minimise the problems among anyone who does become infected on board. On the other hand if you had a full complement of passengers who are triple jabbed, as well as having been infected in recent months, then the numbers who become infected and test positive on board would be significantly reduced! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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