Carnival has lost control

[jimbo5544]

On 6/9/2023 at 10:21 PM, Elaine5715 said:

There has been a drug problem onboard since the restart

Where did you see that?

[Elaine5715]

14 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

Where did you see that?

My nose

[manmachine]

On 6/5/2023 at 10:15 AM, mz-s said:

 

I reject that - the wild kids are everywhere these days. People and kids that don't know how to act in public transcend social strata. 

Yeah, not so much, really.

[TheMichael]

So we've all agreed that we're the only well-behaved people on our cruises then?

 

Good job, everyone, our work is done here!

 

(Cruises have been set up to enable people to behave badly for about 20 years now, the situation was just waiting for people to discover it. The solution is incredibly simple: raise prices - a LOT.)

[pppiglet]

My sister sent me something this morning that shows Carnival is adding more security guards, drug sniffing dogs, and a 1am curfew for 15 and under.  I think she found it on  CBS news. 

[Drazil65]

1am curfew for 15 and under.

 

Not early enough for this age group, no way should kids in this age group referenced be running a ship (or anywhere else for that matter) on their own or in groups.  It is a recipe for trouble and trouble making. 

 

I get some grownups want to cruise to have fun and may look at the ship as a giant playpen where their kids are contained but truthfully if people cant supervise their own kids (no matter the age) then maybe dont bring them.  

Edited June 11, 2023 by Drazil65

[pc_load_letter]

1 hour ago, pppiglet said:

My sister sent me something this morning that shows Carnival is adding more security guards, drug sniffing dogs, and a 1am curfew for 15 and under.  I think she found it on  CBS news. 

 

Yeah, that is not really new news. She did her little video clip about drugs etc a few months ago.

 

I think Carnivals marketing team is just making press releases in hopes of better press coverage.

[jimbo5544]

1 hour ago, pc_load_letter said:

 

Yeah, that is not really new news. She did her little video clip about drugs etc a few months ago.

 

I think Carnivals marketing team is just making press releases in hopes of better press coverage.

For the record, I have seem them walking with the dogs thru the terminal….maybe they were not really drug dogs and really from the marketing dept……or maybe they are just what they said they were 

[sparks1093]

I would think that dogs in the terminal are more likely to belong to local or federal authorities.

[jimbo5544]

42 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

I would think that dogs in the terminal are more likely to belong to local or federal authorities.

True, the point is that their presence is due to her decision to up the ante.

[Elaine5715]

4 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

I would think that dogs in the terminal are more likely to belong to local or federal authorities.

They are.  I watched the pups and their handlers do some play as I waited outside the terminal for it to open in February at POM

[hard_eight]

4 hours ago, notscb said:

Care to clarify what you mean? this seems to be a broad generalization without anything specific backing it up.

You seem like you're just trying to bait someone in this entire thread. 

[ibarrio]

16 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

For the record, I have seem them walking with the dogs thru the terminal….maybe they were not really drug dogs and really from the marketing dept……or maybe they are just what they said they were 

It's a major port...of course the dogs are legit 

[Chief93]

This thread is exactly why I only cruise while kids are in school.  Never in the summer, never over spring break, never over xmas.  

 

While I have not had your experience, I did take a 7 day cruise from Galveston after hurricane Katrina.  There was a very large number of passengers that had purchased the cruise with the $2,000 debit card the government gave "displaced residents" to help cover their basic needs.  

[notscb]

1 hour ago, hard_eight said:

You seem like you're just trying to bait someone in this entire thread. 

I'm just asking for folks to be clear with their words and intentions. How is asking for clarity "baiting" anyone, unless the words I'm asking for clarity around are taking cheap shots at certain groups of people?

 

*i'll note that I've asked for clarification three times in this thread and have been ignored by all of those original posters.

Edited June 12, 2023 by notscb
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[Bandman]

17 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

For the record, I have seem them walking with the dogs thru the terminal….maybe they were not really drug dogs and really from the marketing dept……or maybe they are just what they said they were 

Just off a Back to Back on the Celebration. On turn around day there was a dog with its handler sitting by luggage that had already been delivered outside a cabin down the hall from us.  Those two and two ship security officers appeared to be waiting for the owners of said luggage to arrive at the cabin…

[dallasdan]

I have never seen the dogs in 19 cruises.  They may have been in the ports but I didn't see them.  My wife says I am not very observant.  I certainly haven't seen them on a ship.  I leave for a short 4 day weekend cruise out of Galveston at end of the month.  I will be on the lookout.  I am expecting lots of kids and lots of partying 20 somethings.  I will report back.

[Haljo1935]

9 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Are you implying that a cruise is not a basic need? LOL

 

... I guess betting on horses is also a "basic need".

Wait, what - cruising and horse betting aren't basic needs? I did take Psych 101, but must have missed that class.. Maybe they are covered under "critical themes - flourishing"?

[icft]

20 hours ago, pc_load_letter said:

 

Yeah, that is not really new news. She did her little video clip about drugs etc a few months ago.

 

I think Carnivals marketing team is just making press releases in hopes of better press coverage.

You are probably right. We were on a cruise on Glory the week she did her video and they made the splashy announcement. On that cruise there was security all over the place. They were friendly and not oppressive in the least and made us feel comfortable. It was also probably the best behaved group of passengers we experienced since before covid. But when we sailed on the Glory again just a few weeks later we saw no security other than when disembarking and embarking at port calls. The passengers on that cruise dashed our hopes for Carnival and we booked NCL cruises for 2024. We have been sailing free casino cruises on Carnival and don't have that on NCL, but free isn't worth the price if you don't feel safe.

 

The big splashy video and press releases was just blowing smoke. I figure any subsequent press releases are, as you said, just hoping for better press coverage; just more smoke.

[hard_eight]

1 hour ago, notscb said:

I'm just asking for folks to be clear with their words and intentions. How is asking for clarity "baiting" anyone, unless the words I'm asking for clarity around are taking cheap shots at certain groups of people?

 

*i'll note that I've asked for clarification three times in this thread and have been ignored by all of those original posters.

"taking cheap shots at certain groups of people?" This is the bait I'm referring to. You're looking to get someone to say something that will trigger a liberal backlash. Nice try fishing sport, none of them took your bait.

36 minutes ago, dallasdan said:

I have never seen the dogs in 19 cruises.  They may have been in the ports but I didn't see them.  My wife says I am not very observant.  I certainly haven't seen them on a ship.  I leave for a short 4 day weekend cruise out of Galveston at end of the month.  I will be on the lookout.  I am expecting lots of kids and lots of partying 20 somethings.  I will report back.

Seen dogs in ports much more recently. Have seen dogs roaming halls in port prior to covid in certain ports.

[tootsiescurly]

On 6/8/2023 at 6:25 AM, jimbo5544 said:

That def sounds like something a liberal college professor would say.  Society wants to follow rules, basing the making of them on what the rule breakers do or not do is perhaps the weakest argument against them.  The hospitality industry has to walk the tightrope, it is a balancing act, your view, my view their view, are from a certain perspective.  To say because you or I disagree with our interpretation of what we perceive they are doing (without knowing the facts) is simple untenable.  If every cruise line strictly enforced every single RULE, nobody would cruise.  

It sound like a college professor who is trying to make students think, Too bad critical thinking is considered bad these days!  

[ibarrio]

1 hour ago, dallasdan said:

I have never seen the dogs in 19 cruises.  They may have been in the ports but I didn't see them.  My wife says I am not very observant.  I certainly haven't seen them on a ship.  I leave for a short 4 day weekend cruise out of Galveston at end of the month.  I will be on the lookout.  I am expecting lots of kids and lots of partying 20 somethings.  I will report back.

 

You're leaving from Texas so recreational use of Marijuana is still illegal and the Drink Package doesn't start until day 2. I would think the younger crowd would leave from Los Angles, New Orleans, or Florida. I know recreational MJ is illegal in Florida but that is still a party state compared to Texas. When recreational use went legal in New Mexico you had the El Paso police issue a statement that they would be on the look-out for Texas plates going into New Mexico and stopping at dispensaries. They also do the same New Mexico fireworks stands (they stake them out and pull people over). 

[notscb]

3 hours ago, pc_load_letter said:

Wow, your train of thought is really still boarding at the station.

I see that it's hard for you to be kind.

[notscb]

2 hours ago, hard_eight said:

You're looking to get someone to say something that will trigger a liberal backlash

 

Interesting that me asking for clarification from three entirely vague posts is somehow baiting folks into saying something that isn't kind about another group of cruisers. It's almost like you're saying the quiet part out loud for those other posters by your comments and trying to confirm what I was reading into it.

 

Asking a question is giving the benefit of the doubt when untrue or unkind statements are made.

 

Edit: I'll add that if people aren't willing to clarify their comments in an open forum and stand behind them, they shouldn't post them at all.

Edited June 12, 2023 by notscb
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[Susan in Maine]

5 hours ago, Chief93 said:

This thread is exactly why I only cruise while kids are in school.  Never in the summer, never over spring break, never over xmas.  

 

While I have not had your experience, I did take a 7 day cruise from Galveston after hurricane Katrina.  There was a very large number of passengers that had purchased the cruise with the $2,000 debit card the government gave "displaced residents" to help cover their basic needs.  

What direct evidence do you have for this statement?