Nathan Graveson Posted July 25 #626 Share Posted July 25 16 minutes ago, Jumping Cruiser said: I think we will see Icon 4 in Late 27/Early 28 and Discovery from 2029. From what I know: Icon 4 - Fall 2027 Oasis 7 - Summer 2028 Discovery 1 - Spring 2029 Oasis 8 - Summer 2029 Discovery 2 - Spring 2030 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted July 25 #627 Share Posted July 25 On 7/24/2024 at 11:13 AM, Southern Dan said: Does it make a difference that the new Royal Class will be much, much smaller than the new Carnival Class with regards to time of build? What I find interesting is Carnival now has 5 large ships on order. It appears Carnival is putting more emphasis on larger ships than RCI is right now. Personally I think Carnival is on the right path. From a business perspective, I don’t understand the logic in building smaller ships when other cruise lines keep building bigger and bigger ships. From a cruising perspective, I would love to see new smaller ships, which apparently will happen with Project Discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Dan Posted July 25 #628 Share Posted July 25 (edited) The thing is Royal has the large ship portion of their fleet down between the 6 Oasis (7 by 2028) and one Icon (3 by 2026). Everyone else is playing catch up, now Royal can replace the Vision/Radiance/Voyager class with a state-of-the-art Class with what they know works and doesn't work from their existing fleet. Will they have ice skating rinks, aqua show theaters and Central Park? Given the rumored size of the new ships probably not but they will most likely have very nice solariums, perhaps a scaled-down sports plex and Two70 similar to Quantum Class as well as some favorite venues that are lacking on Vision/Radiance Class like Playmakers, Lime & Coconut poolside, El Loco Fresh, etc... Those things alone would make for a great ship, at least in my opinion. All we can do until they announce this damn thing is continue to speculate! Edited July 25 by Southern Dan 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Engineroom Snipe Posted July 25 #629 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Southern Dan said: The thing is Royal has the large ship portion of their fleet down between the 6 Oasis (7 by 2028) and one Icon (3 by 2026). Everyone else is playing catch up, now Royal can replace the Vision/Radiance/Voyager class with a state-of-the-art Class with what they know works and doesn't work from their existing fleet. Will they have ice skating rinks, aqua show theaters and Central Park? Given the rumored size of the new ships probably not but they will most likely have very nice solariums, perhaps a scaled-down sports plex and Two70 similar to Quantum Class as well as some favorite venues that are lacking on Vision/Radiance Class like Playmakers, Lime & Coconut poolside, El Loco Fresh, etc... Those things alone would make for a great ship, at least in my opinion. All we can do until they announce this damn thing is continue to speculate! Imagine a Royal smaller ship with reliable WiFi in each cabin with a cooler in each interior cabin (lacking in their current ships). Create more balcony experiences and enhance those balconies by at least 35 more square feet. Update the Solarium with four hot tubs instead of two. Create a smaller version of the Bistro instead of throwing a "Park Cafe" that only serves very limited hours. Still offer the families something by having a young children's splash area that operates from 9am to 9pm instead of the limited hours of 11am to 4pm. You are on the right track. Properly tweaked, such a ship could command a higher dollar from those who want a "small" ship with "big" ship amenities. There are many grandparents ready to take the family on a smaller ship if it has the right "ambience". Everyone keeps talking about the "transfer of wealth" from one generation to the next. Grandma and Grandpa are saying, "We are spending it while we are alive." Royal's corporate staff are placing their bets on that generational transfer of wealth through vacation experiences. 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted July 25 #630 Share Posted July 25 55 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said: There are many grandparents ready to take the family on a smaller ship if it has the right "ambience". Everyone keeps talking about the "transfer of wealth" from one generation to the next. Grandma and Grandpa are saying, "We are spending it while we are alive." Royal's corporate staff are placing their bets on that generational transfer of wealth through vacation experiences. I highly doubt RCI leadership is planning to build a smaller ship so grandparents can take their grand kids on a cruise. I live in a 55 plus community where people cruise all the time not to mention the friends and family I cruise with frequently. While almost all them are grand parents, none of them take their grand kids on cruises. Obviously there are people out there that take their grand kids on vacations like cruises, but not even close to the point to support a new smaller class of ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Engineroom Snipe Posted July 26 #631 Share Posted July 26 15 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said: I highly doubt RCI leadership is planning to build a smaller ship so grandparents can take their grand kids on a cruise. I live in a 55 plus community where people cruise all the time not to mention the friends and family I cruise with frequently. While almost all them are grand parents, none of them take their grand kids on cruises. Obviously there are people out there that take their grand kids on vacations like cruises, but not even close to the point to support a new smaller class of ship. Duly noted. I am only quoting from the CEO during one of his CNBC interviews. Specifically, "Transfer of generational wealth" will deliver more cruise dollars. So Grandpa and Grandma are only going to take their children and grandchildren on 6,000 plus passengers voyages? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted July 26 #632 Share Posted July 26 13 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said: Duly noted. I am only quoting from the CEO during one of his CNBC interviews. Specifically, "Transfer of generational wealth" will deliver more cruise dollars. So Grandpa and Grandma are only going to take their children and grandchildren on 6,000 plus passengers voyages? I think people accumulating debt to pay for cruises might be more accurate. I was raised and still believe the only personal debt one should ever take on is a mortgage. But from what I read and hear all the time, younger generations have no issue taking on debt to pay for cars, vacations, etc. If I wasn’t clear, RCI (or any cruise line for that matter) is not going to survive by people taking grand kids on cruises (the size of the ship is irrelevant). I would bet less than 1 percent of all passengers are grand parents paying for their grand kids on a cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUgwoz Posted July 26 #633 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said: Duly noted. I am only quoting from the CEO during one of his CNBC interviews. Specifically, "Transfer of generational wealth" will deliver more cruise dollars. So Grandpa and Grandma are only going to take their children and grandchildren on 6,000 plus passengers voyages? While my parents haven't taken their grandkids solely on cruises. We have gone on multi generational cruises, and when the topic comes up it's Disney or Oasis/Icon class. They want to see the grandkids play and have fun on slides and play areas. We were on Icon last May. My parents and one of the other families with kids in our group did a bus tour in Sint Maarten. They felt bad cause the kids slept and were bored and was happy I kept my kids on the ship. My parents certainly don't seek water slides, loud parties, ect. However, if they are spending time with the grandkids it's all about them and watching them have fun. They go to Disney World not because they want to go on rides, they want to watch their grandkids faces light up and have fun. Not like they don't spend the majority of the time doing stuff that centers around them all the other times they are not around grandkids. Edited July 26 by SUgwoz 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Engineroom Snipe Posted July 26 #634 Share Posted July 26 5 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said: I think people accumulating debt to pay for cruises might be more accurate. I was raised and still believe the only personal debt one should ever take on is a mortgage. But from what I read and hear all the time, younger generations have no issue taking on debt to pay for cars, vacations, etc. If I wasn’t clear, RCI (or any cruise line for that matter) is not going to survive by people taking grand kids on cruises (the size of the ship is irrelevant). I would bet less than 1 percent of all passengers are grand parents paying for their grand kids on a cruise. Not saying you are wrong or incorrect. Disney has survived for many generations as they accommodated grandparents paying for multiple generations of park customers. Again, this is Royal's CEO hedging his cruising future bets on "Generational transfer of wealth." His words, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted July 26 #635 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 6 hours ago, Jumping Cruiser said: I don’t think a carbon-copy will be shared between the brands, but the platform may well be, similar to how QC are an evolution of X’s Solstice Class. Celebrity Millennium class and RCI Radiance class have many similarities. If you pay attention when onboard you can see them. I was told they use the same hull design but I don’t know if that is true. They were built in the same time period. So I think Discovery Class could use the same platform without being carbon copies. Edited July 26 by Charles4515 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Engineroom Snipe Posted July 26 #636 Share Posted July 26 3 minutes ago, SUgwoz said: They go to Disney World not because they want to go on rides, they want to watch their grandkids faces light up and have fun. Not like they don't spend the majority of the time doing stuff that centers around them all the other times they are not around grandkids. This is what I am trying to convey. I will go on a large ship to have fun with my grandkids or a small ship. The size of the ship is not as important as the total experience. A newer smaller ship might be a more intimate experience. A smaller new ship might be just as satisfying as a larger old ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUgwoz Posted July 26 #637 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Engineroom Snipe said: This is what I am trying to convey. I will go on a large ship to have fun with my grandkids or a small ship. The size of the ship is not as important as the total experience. A newer smaller ship might be a more intimate experience. A smaller new ship might be just as satisfying as a larger old ship. Certainly possible, though would expect a smaller ship with more intimate experience targeting port heavy itineraries will likely have less amenities to appeal to children along with average passenger numbers skewed to be more mature and less inviting to having children on board. Same reason why I would never take my kids now on celebrity, they would be less satisfied and odds are the rest of the passengers would also be less satisfied. Reminds me of my recent trip to Vegas, I enjoy being out there but would never take my kids. I am certainly not bothered being around kids, but I always find it odd and almost uncomfortable the high volume of kids under 10 walking through the casinos and streets with their parents very late at night. On the flipside if I am on the Icon and see 10 year olds walking around on the ship at night I would expect it. Edited July 26 by SUgwoz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted July 26 Author #638 Share Posted July 26 I still think they should have a decent number of pools and hot tubs. Thats my concern that they try to scrunch too many cabins in. As i’ve said before not all kids need the bells and whistles of these big ships. Some are just happy with a pool. Ports like vancouver kids go on small ships otherwise they’d have to go to seattle for alaska which most don’t want to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUgwoz Posted July 26 #639 Share Posted July 26 24 minutes ago, latebuyer said: I still think they should have a decent number of pools and hot tubs. Thats my concern that they try to scrunch too many cabins in. As i’ve said before not all kids need the bells and whistles of these big ships. Some are just happy with a pool. Ports like vancouver kids go on small ships otherwise they’d have to go to seattle for alaska which most don’t want to do. Depends on the market. Royal particularly with Utopia and other sailings out of Florida is targeting Florida families. Most of them that can afford a cruise have a pool and have more than 6 months of the year to swim in it, so just a pool isn't attracting them. Particularly the average cruise ship pool which can be smaller and shallower than a residential pool. Same reason why you see the vast amount of hotels in Florida now with mini water parks included. Lazy rivers, kids water play areas, and water slides are now the norm where previously a standard rectangular pool was all that was needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted July 26 Author #640 Share Posted July 26 Thanks. Interesting. I think its safe to say most vancouverites don’t have pools lol. Also, less money for travel so something like an alaskan cruise fits the bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted July 26 #641 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, SUgwoz said: Depends on the market. Royal particularly with Utopia and other sailings out of Florida is targeting Florida families. Most of them that can afford a cruise have a pool and have more than 6 months of the year to swim in it, so just a pool isn't attracting them. Particularly the average cruise ship pool which can be smaller and shallower than a residential pool. Same reason why you see the vast amount of hotels in Florida now with mini water parks included. Lazy rivers, kids water play areas, and water slides are now the norm where previously a standard rectangular pool was all that was needed. I live in Florida and agree with your pool comments. Same goes for beaches…I live 30 minutes from some of the best beaches in the world, so going to beaches on a cruise has no appeal for me. I rarely use a pool or hot tub on a cruise, but I can see their appeal for people up North, especially in the Fall and Winter months when it is colder up there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUgwoz Posted July 26 #642 Share Posted July 26 17 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said: I live in Florida and agree with your pool comments. Same goes for beaches…I live 30 minutes from some of the best beaches in the world, so going to beaches on a cruise has no appeal for me. I rarely use a pool or hot tub on a cruise, but I can see their appeal for people up North, especially in the Fall and Winter months when it is colder up there. Agreed on the beaches as well. While Florida beaches in general lack that clear water you can find on some Caribbean beaches the experience isn't much different and in many cases the sand is much better on the gulf. Which is why Cococay and all it's amenities is a draw. Good luck finding a beach with a lot of food choices readily available in walking distance and not costing a substantial amount of money for a mediocre hot dog or burger. Along with activities like kids water play area, full water park, and bars everywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latebuyer Posted August 11 Author #643 Share Posted August 11 I’m not sure if there is anything new in this article. Seems like a recent interview though. https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2024/08/05/royal-caribbean-ceo-says-new-ship-class-coming-3-4-years 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike123abc Posted August 12 #644 Share Posted August 12 (edited) On 7/25/2024 at 1:18 PM, Jumping Cruiser said: I don’t think a carbon-copy will be shared between the brands, but the platform may well be, similar to how QC are an evolution of X’s Solstice Class. It will probably be similar to how RCL shared the design of the Radiance class with their newly acquired cruise line Celebrity to make their Millennium class (each line bought 4 ships). Not the same cosmetically, but share most of the basic design, power plant and propulsion. Celebrity Millennium class is Celebrity's oldest class of ship, and Celebrity needs to replace it. Celebrity probably wants a successor to Millennium class around the same size (they like smaller ships) and I bet RCL will order a variation of the new design to replace Vision and Radiance class. They could save a lot if they ordered 8+ of the same basic design from the shipyard and split between the lines. Edited August 12 by mike123abc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HBE4 Posted August 12 #645 Share Posted August 12 Just off the Aug 2nd sailing of Adventure. At the Captain's Corner, he said Project Discovery is still on the drawing board as they continue to brainstorm ideas. Current plans are for it to be between Radiance (90,000 GRT) and Voyager (140,000 GRT) size & serve the Mediterranean, Pacfic Islands & Alaska markets. He said he hoped it would winter in Tampa but that was more of a personal wish & not a design requirement. Projected ETA was 2029 so expect the Vision & Radiance to be around a bit longer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted August 12 #646 Share Posted August 12 32 minutes ago, HBE4 said: Just off the Aug 2nd sailing of Adventure. At the Captain's Corner, he said Project Discovery is still on the drawing board as they continue to brainstorm ideas. Current plans are for it to be between Radiance (90,000 GRT) and Voyager (140,000 GRT) size & serve the Mediterranean, Pacfic Islands & Alaska markets. He said he hoped it would winter in Tampa but that was more of a personal wish & not a design requirement. Projected ETA was 2029 so expect the Vision & Radiance to be around a bit longer. It is funny how different people come off ships with different reports from the Captains Corners 😂 Some posters think the first Discovery class will be out in 2027 🙄 Some posters think the Captain’s actually know what corporate is planning 🙃 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted August 13 #647 Share Posted August 13 8 hours ago, mike123abc said: Celebrity Millennium class is Celebrity's oldest class of ship, and Celebrity needs to replace it. I have sailed on all four Millennium class ships in the last year. All four ships are in great shape. I have not heard anything concerning Celebrity wanting to replace these ships and I think all four ships will remain in Celebrity's fleet for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lloyd555 Posted August 18 #648 Share Posted August 18 https://technicalterrence.com/stock-market/royal-caribbean-shares-key-news-about-its-plans-to-become-a-small-company/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted August 19 #649 Share Posted August 19 ^ that writer sure got the title wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted August 19 #650 Share Posted August 19 24 minutes ago, Biker19 said: ^ that writer sure got the title wrong. Small company pretty funny. I think an AI wrote that article. AI’s have a tendency to hallucinate. Notice there is nothing new in the article. Nothing concrete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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