Conquest passenger reported missing 9/6/2023

[missholly24]

On 9/11/2023 at 6:42 PM, RD64 said:

George Smith too in 2005 who it is assumed went overboard.

Yeah he definitely went overboard. His new wife slept with a Russian worker at the casino and they murdered him probably after robbing him. There was a ton of blood on a lifeboat beneath his balcony and his neighbor was an ex FBI agent and heard a large fight with Russian speaking. The wife was on camera drunk on absinthe asleep in a hallway. That story couldn’t be any wilder if it were made up. 

[ninjacat123]

16 minutes ago, missholly24 said:

Yeah he definitely went overboard. His new wife slept with a Russian worker at the casino and they murdered him probably after robbing him. There was a ton of blood on a lifeboat beneath his balcony and his neighbor was an ex FBI agent and heard a large fight with Russian speaking. The wife was on camera drunk on absinthe asleep in a hallway. That story couldn’t be any wilder if it were made up. 

Sounds like a script for a movie!

[zackarykeef]

There are too many holes in this story.

 

Has anyone considered foul play?

Could his brother have done something in the room and wheeled him off in a suitcase?

Do we know if all of his stuff was still in the room?

The entire family (especially his brother) just disembarks and doesn't say anything until they're off?

If I was in a room with my brother, I don't think I'd get off without him...

 

I don't see how he could've gotten off without scanning his card, but I can see the customs part. One of my most recent cruises disembarking at PoM, they just had a customs agent on board randomly pulling people from the self-assist line and checking their passports. I wasn't pulled, and I walked off the ship with my luggage and was outside of the port in less than 2 minutes without any customs or immigration check. The weird thing would be that they never spotted him on any PoM CCTV.

 

I don't think he's still on the ship. He would've been noticed by now, and I'm sure security is on high alert. True, someone could sleep on the deck normally without anyone batting an eye, but with a missing person, I'm sure they would be noticing anything out of the ordinary.

 

I say the family (or one/some of them) are involved...🤷‍♂️

[C.McG]

For those that are hanging on to the fact of him wearing the same clothes day after day, he could have managed to get into the crew area where laundry is processed and obtained a change of clothes or taken some from a laundry bag left in the hallways.  He could even still be on the ship, again if he managed to attain access to the crew areas there are a lot of areas which can be hazardous just as trying to hide under a dumb waiter (food lift) and ultimately getting crushed in there.

If he managed to obtain a crew uniform he could easily trail a legitimate employee through a secured door.

Another angle is he is with a crew member, there are many crew with solo cabins who could be harboring him in their room.

I have no evidence to any of these, but just some ideas as to how and why he may still be aboard the ship.

For those looking for a sinister plot, maybe he pissed off a cook, telling them how the food on CCL sucks, and so the cook chopped him up and fed him through the waste food disposal system.

I'm sure no DNA testing was performed in the kitchens in the short few hours the ship was in port.

Ok, that is more than enough for the novelists in here to write a book about!

[staceyglow]

5 hours ago, zackarykeef said:

There are too many holes in this story.

 

Has anyone considered foul play?

Could his brother have done something in the room and wheeled him off in a suitcase?

 

I say the family (or one/some of them) are involved...🤷‍♂️

This is why I insist that my family members bring carry-ons only. 

[hard_eight]

3 hours ago, staceyglow said:

This is why I insist that my family members bring carry-ons only. 

And why I carry a rolling duffle. My sister in law is gonna get it one day.🤣

[sunexpress]

I have been trying to keep up with this story, but there is a lot of missing/ inaccurate information, as well as theories and speculations floating around on social media. I do agree that some of the statements/information released by the family seems to be missing vital information, which makes it hard to come up with an explanation of what actually could have happened. 

Carnival may be doing a behind the scenes investigation, and has not commented or released any information right now possibly for that reason.  It reminds me of when RC was quiet during their investigation into the grandfather that ultimately was charged in the death of his granddaughter. 

My opinion is that he went overboard somewhere where it was not detected - whether it was involuntary or voluntary is the question. I do hope for the family's sake they get some answers. 

 

[Elaine5715]

4 hours ago, hard_eight said:

And why I carry a rolling duffle. My sister in law is gonna get it one day.🤣

I hear you can get Eight Heads in a Duffle Bag...

[missholly24]

18 hours ago, zackarykeef said:

There are too many holes in this story.

 

Has anyone considered foul play?

Could his brother have done something in the room and wheeled him off in a suitcase?

Do we know if all of his stuff was still in the room?

The entire family (especially his brother) just disembarks and doesn't say anything until they're off?

If I was in a room with my brother, I don't think I'd get off without him...

 

I don't see how he could've gotten off without scanning his card, but I can see the customs part. One of my most recent cruises disembarking at PoM, they just had a customs agent on board randomly pulling people from the self-assist line and checking their passports. I wasn't pulled, and I walked off the ship with my luggage and was outside of the port in less than 2 minutes without any customs or immigration check. The weird thing would be that they never spotted him on any PoM CCTV.

 

I don't think he's still on the ship. He would've been noticed by now, and I'm sure security is on high alert. True, someone could sleep on the deck normally without anyone batting an eye, but with a missing person, I'm sure they would be noticing anything out of the ordinary.

 

I say the family (or one/some of them) are involved...🤷‍♂️

I completely agree with this theory. Carnival said “there are sure he didnt go overboard” and Miami Dade issued a missing person for him. (Saying he may be in need of services”). Sounds like we arent being told the whole story. Which is obviously fine but reading between the lines he snuck off and doesnt want to be found. He lives in Florida too. 

[Eli_6]

12 hours ago, missholly24 said:

I completely agree with this theory. Carnival said “there are sure he didnt go overboard” and Miami Dade issued a missing person for him. (Saying he may be in need of services”). Sounds like we arent being told the whole story. Which is obviously fine but reading between the lines he snuck off and doesnt want to be found. He lives in Florida too. 

Carnival said "they are sure he didn't go overboard"??? 

 

I mean...how can they be sure?  It was the next day before anyone realized that the guy from Louisiana who went overboard (and was rescued) was missing. Clearly, Carnival didn't notice he went in the water.

 

The one thing I do think is interesting is that he would have gone overboard when they were relatively close to being in port according to the time line...

Edited September 14, 2023 by Eli_6

[Eli_6]

On 9/12/2023 at 10:18 PM, missholly24 said:

Yeah he definitely went overboard. His new wife slept with a Russian worker at the casino and they murdered him probably after robbing him. There was a ton of blood on a lifeboat beneath his balcony and his neighbor was an ex FBI agent and heard a large fight with Russian speaking. The wife was on camera drunk on absinthe asleep in a hallway. That story couldn’t be any wilder if it were made up. 

Is this a common thing where guests sleep with cruise workers? 

 

One night at the buffet, I was sitting near four (maybe?) officers while I was eating and one of the younger guys was talking about some guest hitting in him and that he could have slept with her had he wanted to. The thing I found funny about it is we were on the Pride in Europe and there weren't too many people on that boat who would have been age appropriate for this young man...

[missholly24]

6 hours ago, Eli_6 said:

Carnival said "they are sure he didn't go overboard"??? 

 

I mean...how can they be sure?  It was the next day before anyone realized that the guy from Louisiana who went overboard (and was rescued) was missing. Clearly, Carnival didn't notice he went in the water.

 

The one thing I do think is interesting is that he would have gone overboard when they were relatively close to being in port according to the time line...

Well they have CCTV down both sides and on the aft and forward. I think even if the censors didn’t go off you would still see something going overboard during a review of the footage. There was very little time (if the key entrance for the cabin was actually him) where he was unaccounted for (3 am ish till 7 am ish isn’t very much time to review. And they were probably actually docked around 5 or 6. 
 

Its definitely an odd one. Doesn’t line up with the traditional disappearance. The fact that Miami Dade issued a Missing Person alert that reads he may be in need of assistance is weird. Read between the lines type. I hope the family gets answers either way. Must be agonizing not knowing. 

[missholly24]

6 hours ago, Eli_6 said:

Is this a common thing where guests sleep with cruise workers? 

 

One night at the buffet, I was sitting near four (maybe?) officers while I was eating and one of the younger guys was talking about some guest hitting in him and that he could have slept with her had he wanted to. The thing I found funny about it is we were on the Pride in Europe and there weren't too many people on that boat who would have been age appropriate for this young man...

Haha I hope not! I read Cruise Confidential and they all sleep with each other according to the author but they actual don’t like us passengers. Lol. They refer to “us” Americans as cows. Lmao…..I mean some cruisers are pretty rude and glutinous. The book is amazing by the way. Both good and bad. 

[Eli_6]

29 minutes ago, missholly24 said:

Well they have CCTV down both sides and on the aft and forward. I think even if the censors didn’t go off you would still see something going overboard during a review of the footage. There was very little time (if the key entrance for the cabin was actually him) where he was unaccounted for (3 am ish till 7 am ish isn’t very much time to review. And they were probably actually docked around 5 or 6. 
 

Its definitely an odd one. Doesn’t line up with the traditional disappearance. The fact that Miami Dade issued a Missing Person alert that reads he may be in need of assistance is weird. Read between the lines type. I hope the family gets answers either way. Must be agonizing not knowing. 

Very interesting. Thanks for explaining. I agree that the wording of the BOLO seems like maybe he has some mental health issues, substance abuse issues, or some other similar impairment.

[ProgRockCruiser]

6 hours ago, Eli_6 said:

Is this a common thing where guests sleep with cruise workers? 

 

One night at the buffet, I was sitting near four (maybe?) officers while I was eating and one of the younger guys was talking about some guest hitting in him and that he could have slept with her had he wanted to. The thing I found funny about it is we were on the Pride in Europe and there weren't too many people on that boat who would have been age appropriate for this young man...

A friend went on cruise a long while ago, and she had a cabin mate that wasn't a direct friend - not sure if a friend of a friend, or what.  Anyway, that other person was really excited to be on the cruise, because the crew member she had hooked up with last time was going to be onboard again, and her romance would be able to rebloom and continue.

 

Except it didn't - said crew member was too busy sleeping with another new guest.  😲

 

Friend's cabin mate spent the whole cruise in her room, crying and dining on room service.

 

Anyway, back to the speculation of this thread: I would want to look at exactly Carnival said (or was reported to say, which could be very different).  It is quite possible that, although they have no evidence of this person going overboard, that doesn't mean they didn't find (intentionally or not) the one spot on board where it might be possible to evade observation.  Or a camera was down and the line doesn't want to admit it.

 

[woozles]

What I find most interesting is there has been no mention of whether his belongings were still in his cabin. I mean, if he went overboard I doubt he packed and took his luggage with him. If he chose to sneak off or if someone carted him away wouldn't his luggage go with him?

[Old Fart Cruisers]

9 hours ago, Eli_6 said:

Is this a common thing where guests sleep with cruise workers? 

 

 

Yes it's common.  Remember the cruising 'documentary' back in the 70s & 80s The Love Boat.  Every one of the crew members had an affair with the guests each week.🤪

[Elaine5715]

10 hours ago, Eli_6 said:

Is this a common thing where guests sleep with cruise workers? 

 

One night at the buffet, I was sitting near four (maybe?) officers while I was eating and one of the younger guys was talking about some guest hitting in him and that he could have slept with her had he wanted to. The thing I found funny about it is we were on the Pride in Europe and there weren't too many people on that boat who would have been age appropriate for this young man...

It is instant termination if crew are found with guests.  Crew have ship "spouses".

[TiredTrucker]

3 hours ago, Elaine5715 said:

It is instant termination if crew are found with guests.  Crew have ship "spouses".

 

This is what I've heard from a few crew, there is no leeway for fraternizing with passengers.  They frown on crew-on-crew as well, but there really isn't much they can do about it, so as long as crew aren't flaunting their behavior openly there isn't an issue.

[blueslily]

5 hours ago, woozles said:

What I find most interesting is there has been no mention of whether his belongings were still in his cabin. I mean, if he went overboard I doubt he packed and took his luggage with him. If he chose to sneak off or if someone carted him away wouldn't his luggage go with him?

 

Yes, there has been reporting about his belongings. They were indeed in the cabin.

[StephPS79]

On 9/12/2023 at 3:44 PM, stobe1 said:

Not every night for weeks on end you didn't. If he was doing that it would have been noticed by now. 

 

Who says he is sleeping at night?  He could be snoozing on a chair during the day, like plenty of people do, and go no one would bat an eye.  Hang out somewhere different every night, and I think he could go unnoticed pretty easily.

 

This isn't to say I think he is hiding out on the ship though.  Lol.  I think it's the more obvious answer.  But we're all making a lot of assumptions about how we would think to hide out on a ship.  There are a lot more possibilities.

[StephPS79]

On 9/14/2023 at 9:42 AM, Eli_6 said:

Is this a common thing where guests sleep with cruise workers? 

 

One night at the buffet, I was sitting near four (maybe?) officers while I was eating and one of the younger guys was talking about some guest hitting in him and that he could have slept with her had he wanted to. The thing I found funny about it is we were on the Pride in Europe and there weren't too many people on that boat who would have been age appropriate for this young man...

 

I say this with respect and joking aside, let's not forget the Costa Concordia.

[Eli_6]

If he did have a mental health issue, he probably wouldn't think to bring his belongings.  Still, the longer this goes on the more it seems like the likelihood is that he went overboard somewhere that the cameras didn't catch him and passed/drowned.  Sadly.  

[jam19872016]

It is instant termination and taken very seriously. 

 

But it happens, quietly, very frequently. There are apps available for breaking the social barrier between guest and crew.

 

Of course that secrecy means it cannot be verified because nobody is going to talk about it and implicate themselves or crew friends. 

 

Or so I've heard. 

[aborgman]

On 9/14/2023 at 3:45 PM, missholly24 said:

Well they have CCTV down both sides and on the aft and forward. I think even if the censors didn’t go off you would still see something going overboard during a review of the footage. There was very little time (if the key entrance for the cabin was actually him) where he was unaccounted for (3 am ish till 7 am ish isn’t very much time to review. And they were probably actually docked around 5 or 6. 
 

Its definitely an odd one. Doesn’t line up with the traditional disappearance. The fact that Miami Dade issued a Missing Person alert that reads he may be in need of assistance is weird. Read between the lines type. I hope the family gets answers either way. Must be agonizing not knowing. 

 

When James Michael Grimes went over board in 2022 -
 

"A Carnival spokesperson told the outlet at the time that cameras "may not have 100% visibility" on some areas of its ships."