Are The NEXT Class Of Celebrity Ships Announced?

[Tom and Ingrid]

1 hour ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Why ? 
They paid the fare so they should be allowed to go

Are teens allowed in bars and casinos?

 

I see so few on board, I never thought to wonder. I thought they are also restricted from some hot tubs (Solarium) and maybe that pool too?

[Tom and Ingrid]

I would like to see some of the E class ideas - like the 4 MDR - reimagined for an S-sized ship.  I also, personally, would love an unobstructed (as much as possible) complete promenade loop around the 5 or 6 deck. Not sure if that's doable, but I'd much prefer spending a bit of time stretching my legs on a lower deck during a sea day than dodging folks up on the upper pool decks.

[zitsky]

2 hours ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Why ? 
They paid the fare so they should be allowed to go

Maybe they could bring their dogs with them and their 3 year old siblings.  We debate this locally.  How bars have turned into children’s playgrounds because of course they should be “family friendly”.  It’s wrong to have adult only spaces.  I love listening to screaming children while I’m drinking my beer.  Plus I highly doubt that a teenager paid for their cruise.  20 something maybe.

[DaKahuna]

5 hours ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Why ? 
They paid the fare so they should be allowed to go

 

Because they are not old enough to drink alcohol and take up room that could be used by someone of drinking age.  

 

[Lena11033]

40 minutes ago, DaKahuna said:

 

Because they are not old enough to drink alcohol and take up room that could be used by someone of drinking age.  

 

 

Depends where you are sailing, in Europe if over 18 they are fine

[Ex-Airbalancer]

2 hours ago, DaKahuna said:

 

Because they are not old enough to drink alcohol and take up room that could be used by someone of drinking age.  

 

With your reasoning , a person who is only drink tap water shouldnt sit at the bar ? 

 

[Cruising89143]

11 hours ago, TeeRick said:

Everybody has a wish list here for the next generation of Celebrity ships.  But we need to look at these new ship investments as an overall part of the RCG corporate strategy, not just Celebrity in isolation.

 

The driving factor will be a ship that has the extras and amenities that will attract the younger demographic next generation cruisers and generate the maximum profit factor.  That is not us older cruisers who love M-Class and/or S-Class.

 

The RC ships are the mega ships for families - Celebrity not likely to have a redundant investment in that space which RC has covered.

 

The SS ships - small, intimate and luxury.  Again this space covered.

 

My prediction (my thought really).  The Celebrity ships will continue to fit the 3000-3500 pax middle size ship format.  No way they go with a 2000 pax M-Class replacement, even with more dining and amenities.  Not enough revenue.  So possibly a newer version of S-Class in size with more balconies and suites and a self-contained Retreat type area.

 

Of course the new generation will have the latest in technology, environment and fuel savings - goes without saying.

Best post of this entire thread. 

[DaKahuna]

1 hour ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

With your reasoning , a person who is only drink tap water shouldnt sit at the bar ? 

 

 

 If they are under the legal drinking age, that is correct. 
 

 Ever been to a casino in Las Vegas -- they have the floors marked to indicate where persons who are not of legal gambling age should not be.  

 

[DaKahuna]

31 minutes ago, Cruising89143 said:

Best post of this entire thread. 

 

 Agreed 

 

[NMTraveller]

11 hours ago, PTC DAWG said:

I rarely see that demo on Celebrity.. 

Yet that is the demo that likes loud and shouty and boom boom boom.

[NMTraveller]

11 hours ago, TeeRick said:

Everybody has a wish list here for the next generation of Celebrity ships.  But we need to look at these new ship investments as an overall part of the RCG corporate strategy, not just Celebrity in isolation.

 

The driving factor will be a ship that has the extras and amenities that will attract the younger demographic next generation cruisers and generate the maximum profit factor.  That is not us older cruisers who love M-Class and/or S-Class.

 

The RC ships are the mega ships for families - Celebrity not likely to have a redundant investment in that space which RC has covered.

 

The SS ships - small, intimate and luxury.  Again this space covered.

 

My prediction (my thought really).  The Celebrity ships will continue to fit the 3000-3500 pax middle size ship format.  No way they go with a 2000 pax M-Class replacement, even with more dining and amenities.  Not enough revenue.  So possibly a newer version of S-Class in size with more balconies and suites and a self-contained Retreat type area.

 

Of course the new generation will have the latest in technology, environment and fuel savings - goes without saying.

I think that you nailed it.  It is unlikely to be an M or S like class ship.

 

More likely E like but a 4K or 5K megaship.  The younger demo does not care about crowded,  loud, and shouty so why would not RCL make more $$$ by making the ship bigger?

 

Will we see waterslides and flowriders for the younger demographic?

Edited Friday at 12:55 AM by NMTraveller

[DaKahuna]

23 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

I think that you nailed it.  It is unlikely to be an M or S like class ship.

 

 I will say it again - I certainly hope not. 

 

23 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

More likely E like but a 4K or 5K megaship.  The younger demo does not care about crowded,  loud, and shouty so why would not RCL make more $$$ by making the ship bigger?

 

 Because there is still a substantial number of us who cruise for rest and relaxation rather than go to a floating rave. 

 

23 minutes ago, NMTraveller said:

Will we see waterslides and flowriders for the younger demographic?

 

 If they do, you will not see us among the cruisers. 

 

Royal Caribbean Group made a tremendous amount of money having three demographics in the past (Royal/Celebrity/Asmara).  I really hope they do not get too far away from that model and become focused on only two different demographics (Royal-Celebrity blend/Silver Seas). 

  

Edited Friday at 01:20 AM by DaKahuna

[Ex-Airbalancer]

1 hour ago, DaKahuna said:

 

 If they are under the legal drinking age, that is correct. 
 

 Ever been to a casino in Las Vegas -- they have the floors marked to indicate where persons who are not of legal gambling age should not be.  

 

Never been to Vegas , and have no desire to go 

You havent the question about a person of age sitting at the bar and not drinking alcoholic 

 

[DaKahuna]

Just now, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Never been to Vegas , and have no desire to go 

You havent the question about a person of age sitting at the bar and not drinking alcoholic 

 

 

 Sorry I must have missed/misread the question.  I have no issue with a person for age sitting at the bar.  My DW very seldom drinks and sometimes sits at the bar with me.  My original comment was about teens not about anyone of age. 

 

[markeb]

13 hours ago, TeeRick said:

Everybody has a wish list here for the next generation of Celebrity ships.  But we need to look at these new ship investments as an overall part of the RCG corporate strategy, not just Celebrity in isolation.

 

The driving factor will be a ship that has the extras and amenities that will attract the younger demographic next generation cruisers and generate the maximum profit factor.  That is not us older cruisers who love M-Class and/or S-Class.

 

The RC ships are the mega ships for families - Celebrity not likely to have a redundant investment in that space which RC has covered.

 

The SS ships - small, intimate and luxury.  Again this space covered.

 

My prediction (my thought really).  The Celebrity ships will continue to fit the 3000-3500 pax middle size ship format.  No way they go with a 2000 pax M-Class replacement, even with more dining and amenities.  Not enough revenue.  So possibly a newer version of S-Class in size with more balconies and suites and a self-contained Retreat type area.

 

Of course the new generation will have the latest in technology, environment and fuel savings - goes without saying.

 

Very well thought out post. Kind of my thoughts as well. They (RCG, not Celebrity) really need to get their overall strategy and segmentation figured out and stick with it! Something that seems a bit hit and miss right now. And, assuming for the moment that the next generation is probably looking at 2030 or beyond, a lot of folks on this board and thread (maybe including me) aren't the target segment!

 

I'd probably see something similar to the S-Class in size, but if the market holds, designed around the Retreat concept rather than adapted to it. And marketed to late Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z. Technology, environmental considerations, and fuel efficiency being key. One interesting question is whether they can do an "all Retreat" concept in that timeframe. The best of a larger, but not huge, ship, coupled with the Retreat concept. Don't know.

 

We'll see what really happens. Good corporate strategy has a tendency to fall victim to exigencies of the day (i.e., ROE/ROI).

[markeb]

36 minutes ago, Ex-Airbalancer said:

Never been to Vegas , and have no desire to go 

You havent the question about a person of age sitting at the bar and not drinking alcoholic 

 

 

I've found cruise ships to have a unique attitude around bars. Pretty much every state I've been in, and I suspect Provinces as well, you have to be of legal drinking age to sit at the bar. But you DON'T have to actually drink alcohol. My wife (who does drink wine) frequently sits with me at a bar and has soda, and sometime just water, on land and on the ship. I have no issue with a person of age sitting at the bar and not drinking alcohol.

 

But I've never really seen an age restriction at the bar on a cruise ship. Which is a bit different. Especially since they pretty much adopt US drinking ages on North American departures. And even the European departures are frequently different from European drinking (and bar?) ages!

[NMTraveller]

2 hours ago, DaKahuna said:

 

 I will say it again - I certainly hope not. 

 

 

 Because there is still a substantial number of us who cruise for rest and relaxation rather than go to a floating rave. 

 

 

 If they do, you will not see us among the cruisers. 

 

Royal Caribbean Group made a tremendous amount of money having three demographics in the past (Royal/Celebrity/Asmara).  I really hope they do not get too far away from that model and become focused on only two different demographics (Royal-Celebrity blend/Silver Seas). 

  

I agree with you.

 

Based upon the E class and the things that Celebrity has done lately,  I do not feel that they are going in our direction.

[Tom and Ingrid]

9 hours ago, markeb said:

I'd probably see something similar to the S-Class in size, but if the market holds, designed around the Retreat concept rather than adapted to it. And marketed to late Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z. Technology, environmental considerations, and fuel efficiency being key. One interesting question is whether they can do an "all Retreat" concept in that timeframe. The best of a larger, but not huge, ship, coupled with the Retreat concept. Don't know.

A few things I wonder about.  If they push the Retreat much larger, at what point is that just overlap with Silversea? Especially, if the worry some folks have is that they also will evolve & target the "normal" parts of the ship towards "younger" and or "louder" types.  If the latter happens, wouldn't most folks take their $$$ to similarly priced but not shared cruises on more premium lines?

 

And as ever, I wonder how the 65+ crowds of tomorrow (2030) are different from the 65+ crowds of today vs the 65+ crowds of 2000.  Or the same for the 45+ of those eras.  My point being, if they pick a target demography - is it going to be by some generational "name" (Boomer, Gen X, Millennial, etc), or will it be the more rational "45-54" or "45-70" brackets that are age based and not generation based?

 

By the time the 2030+ ships roll in, the current top age group for X will have already ceased being regular cruisers and have been replaced by the current 55-64 & 65-74 groups. As X will want to keep the pipeline full, they'll be depending on the 45-54 and the 35-44 cohorts to be engaged and considering cruising, and Royal should be a feeder for some (as well as Disney or Carnival or other non-RCL lines), but they have to ALWAYS be seeding the next wave of cruisers.

 

I personally don't think a 65 year old person of 2024 is all that different from a 65 yr old in 2000 nor will be in 2035, EXCEPT they are likely a little more healthy and active later in life and may have a longer "active retirement" span (this really remains to be seen).  As such, active and engaged cruising - good food, good shows, onboard variety, diverse activities, etc. - will need to be a core for X. They have that - skewed for families - on Royal, and X needs to think what empty nesters or 40+ DINKs will want and go in that direction. 

[Cruising89143]

11 hours ago, markeb said:

 

Very well thought out post. Kind of my thoughts as well. They (RCG, not Celebrity) really need to get their overall strategy and segmentation figured out and stick with it! Something that seems a bit hit and miss right now. And, assuming for the moment that the next generation is probably looking at 2030 or beyond, a lot of folks on this board and thread (maybe including me) aren't the target segment!

 

I'd probably see something similar to the S-Class in size, but if the market holds, designed around the Retreat concept rather than adapted to it. And marketed to late Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z. Technology, environmental considerations, and fuel efficiency being key. One interesting question is whether they can do an "all Retreat" concept in that timeframe. The best of a larger, but not huge, ship, coupled with the Retreat concept. Don't know.

 

We'll see what really happens. Good corporate strategy has a tendency to fall victim to exigencies of the day (i.e., ROE/ROI).

I think Jason Liberty has figured it out and that is why we’re seeing the combination of the loyalty programs and him placing two former Royal Caribbean execs at the helm of Celebrity and Silversea. I believe RCI will continue to build more Oasis/Icon sized ships that hold upwards of 6000 guests to attract families. Celebrity will now be the cruise line with mid sized ships up to 160 to 170,000 tons (never thought that I would think of that sized ship as mid sized but here we are) and then Silversea for those wanting something a little more special. 
 

When you look at the other cruise lines, most are all going larger. Even the premium and luxury brands such as Oceana and Regent are going larger. Princess just introduced the 175,000 ton Sun Princess. HAL and Cunard seem to be the only two major lines keeping the size down and those two lines do not interest me. Tried HAL and it was not for us. 
 

I think the S class ships will be around for about ten more years but RCG needs to put some love into them. The President of X stated on a call last year that RCG was already designing the next class of X ships. I assume that we will see more deliveries starting around 2030. Only time will tell. 

[NMTraveller]

8 hours ago, Tom and Ingrid said:

A few things I wonder about.  If they push the Retreat much larger, at what point is that just overlap with Silversea? Especially, if the worry some folks have is that they also will evolve & target the "normal" parts of the ship towards "younger" and or "louder" types.  If the latter happens, wouldn't most folks take their $$$ to similarly priced but not shared cruises on more premium lines?

 

And as ever, I wonder how the 65+ crowds of tomorrow (2030) are different from the 65+ crowds of today vs the 65+ crowds of 2000.  Or the same for the 45+ of those eras.  My point being, if they pick a target demography - is it going to be by some generational "name" (Boomer, Gen X, Millennial, etc), or will it be the more rational "45-54" or "45-70" brackets that are age based and not generation based?

 

By the time the 2030+ ships roll in, the current top age group for X will have already ceased being regular cruisers and have been replaced by the current 55-64 & 65-74 groups. As X will want to keep the pipeline full, they'll be depending on the 45-54 and the 35-44 cohorts to be engaged and considering cruising, and Royal should be a feeder for some (as well as Disney or Carnival or other non-RCL lines), but they have to ALWAYS be seeding the next wave of cruisers.

 

I personally don't think a 65 year old person of 2024 is all that different from a 65 yr old in 2000 nor will be in 2035, EXCEPT they are likely a little more healthy and active later in life and may have a longer "active retirement" span (this really remains to be seen).  As such, active and engaged cruising - good food, good shows, onboard variety, diverse activities, etc. - will need to be a core for X. They have that - skewed for families - on Royal, and X needs to think what empty nesters or 40+ DINKs will want and go in that direction. 

I think that Celebrity ceded the 65+ market to HAL and Princess a while back.

[Nado44]

At a recent Zenith lunch, a senior officer shared that the design scheme for Xcel will be "very different" from its predecessors. She reported that design elements and color schematics from RCL's Oasis/Quantum class will be included on Xcel.

Edited Friday at 11:41 PM by Nado44

[canderson]

On 6/27/2024 at 6:39 PM, DaKahuna said:

 

 If they are under the legal drinking age, that is correct. 
 

 Ever been to a casino in Las Vegas -- they have the floors marked to indicate where persons who are not of legal gambling age should not be.  

 

I'm afraid you've made a bad assumption about Celebrity's policies regarding underage drinking.  I kid you not.  I found this in the "Drinks" section when working with the "Manage my cruise" this evening.  Note that they discourage children from drinking by pricing the practice prohibitively, but do advertise availability 😄

 

Really, we need to restart an old thread pointing out the dumbest things X's IT group has placed online.

 

 

[DaKahuna]

16 hours ago, Nado44 said:

At a recent Zenith lunch, a senior officer shared that the design scheme for Xcel will be "very different" from its predecessors. She reported that design elements and color schematics from RCL's Oasis/Quantum class will be included on Xcel.

 

 I am not even sure I know what that means.  Oasis and Quantum are different in a lot of ways. 

 

[Nado44]

4 minutes ago, DaKahuna said:

 

 I am not even sure I know what that means.  Oasis and Quantum are different in a lot of ways. 

 

Xcel will look more like RCL than X given the planned use of RCLs color and design schemes. Senior officer also said something like, “The plan is to have both brands seamlessly blend in with CocoCay.”

[NMTraveller]

Eden looks somewhat similar to a Royal design.  Obviously, Eden was taken and redesigned from Royal ship plans.

Edited Saturday at 04:47 PM by NMTraveller