Goodtime Cruizin

9 hours ago, Fogfog said:

Has anyone looked at this?

 

How does this apply?

https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/

 

Hmmm. The Methodist Hospital Group (one of if not the largest hopsital group) in Houston last week issued a letter to all employees and contractors that they must be vaccinated. A deadline date was not issued but scheduling was started. It was reported that 83% had already been vaccinated.

8 hours ago, coffeebean said:

Click on this link........

List of countries with their vaccine requirements

I showed you my list. 

3 hours ago, Luckiestmanonearth said:

Here in lies the myth “she can’t pass the virus to me”

 

People who make these statements aren’t medical experts and there is a lot we don’t know about the virus and it’s variants

 

This is why getting vaxed and having proof is so important towards taking the right steps to get back to normal

Before you attempt to belittle someone about something that you know nothing about, it'd be wise to do your homework. You come across as foolish. The tests and data now show that it is highly doubtful, that she can pass the virus to me. So doubtful that I can honestly say that she can't. And 'having proof of getting the vax isn't going to change this fact. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/new-study-shows-pfizers-vaccine-can-prevent-covid-19-transmission/ar-BB1ev1wl

3 minutes ago, AstoriaPreppy said:

Wait, what about your wife who you said isn’t getting vaccinated? I mean, I dislike my husband as much as anyone, but I prefer he live through brunch. 

Hey... I so agree w/ you. But she is her own person. I can't make her get a vaccine. If she gets sick with the virus it'll be something that we'll have to deal with. But I know that she can't pass the virus to me! It is what it is... 

1 minute ago, coffeebean said:

The way I see it, the cards we received from the CDC at the time of vaccination don't seem to be absolute proof of vaccination. There is so much talk of duplication and forgery that any Tom, Dick or Harry can reproduce one of those cards and handwrite information on them to pass as their vaccine card.

 

I don't care what it is called but we need some sort of valid proof of vaccination that cannot be forged. It does not have to be named a "passport". That word seems to be giving lots of folks a fit. Call it "Proof of Covid Vaccination" which is really all we need. Maybe do it in a form of an app or some sort of online verification that can not be forged.

 

We do need some sort of proof of vaccination if we want to travel internationally and we need some sort of proof of vaccination to board a cruise ship. Something needs to be done so those folks who have taken that small risk to be vaccinated will have PROOF OF VACCINATION. Call it what you like but I want the ability to prove I have had a Covid vaccine and am fully vaccinated at this point in time.

I see it differently. It was what was given to me and therefore should be good enough for anyone that requires proof. As far as duplication, it is what it is. No matter what one does, you're not going to stop lying and deceiving. It's happen forever and a day and will always continue to be there. Every state has different driver's license and they seem to be accepted all over. So go with it. 

On 4/3/2021 at 4:24 PM, Bluewake said:

I agree with those who would be comfortable being on a cruise only when there is a vaccination requirement. 

 

This is a global pandemic that has to be fought in a comprehensive and uniform manner.  I know it's legally complicated but I don't see the sense in allowing each state (and even county or municipality) to adopt their own regulations.  Borders mean nothing to Covid-19.  Furthermore, while individual rights and freedoms are worthy of respect, the fact is that our decisions affect others.  While Person A seeks the "right" to decide for themselves whether they are worried about contracting the virus and to act accordingly, Person A's refusal to get vaccinated, wear a mask, socially distance, or engage in any other precautions presents a potential danger to person B.   Of course, Person A is likely to say to Person B, "if you are so afraid, stay home and don't cruise".   However, wouldn't Person B equally be justified to retort "if you are afraid of the vaccine or just don't want to take other precautions, stay home and don't cruise"?

 

I certainly don't pretend to have the answers to how to manage the pandemic or what should be done about cruising.  It's way above my pay grade.  I am all for getting our businesses open and am as eager to get back on a ship as anyone.   However, I just don't see how we'll ever get past this thing until we find a way to fight this disease in unison rather than focusing on our individual "rights" and preferences. And that means doing everything in our arsenal...masks, distancing, vaccines, etc.  What is the point in "opening" up in a reckless manner that is destined to require a subsequent shut down?

I like your post. It's thoughtful. This is a new social world we all are learning to deal with. I think that we can really only answer for ourselves & to ourselves. Using cruise ships as an example, even after the vaccine is here and abundant in many cases, the question is still.."Am I scared to contract the virus from others?" Regardless if I've been vaxed up or if others have been vaccinated, it's still, "Am I afraid?". Once each of us come to tdrms with this answer, we're all the better for it. Me personally, I'm no longer afraid of contracting the virus. I feel a sense of relief w/ the Pfizer vaccine and the early results of the feild data. Going on a cruise with others that are NOT vaccinated does not scare me either. My fear is that of financial losses. I do not wish to exerience any disruptions of my cruise because others may contract the virus. Therefore, in this situation, I won't go unless the ship is 100% vasccinated.  Now using another example such as a restaurant for dinner... I could not care less if the table behind me is full of anti-vaxers.  I'm vaxed up so I'm good. And my financial expense is much much lower than the price of a cruise to the ABC Islands. So I do think that each of us are going to learn to navigate through the changes of covid vaccinations. 

With that... peace out & Happy Easter. 

5 minutes ago, Iamcruzin said:

If you shut down cargo shipping you are also in effect putting more people out of work not only those who work in the shipping industry but those who need the goods to sell to keep their businesses running.  

I think you're starting to see the light. If you could only 'hear' what you post. Basically you're posting that the shipping industry can't shut down because people need durable goods and these are only available at business' that are deemed 'essential'. So what we have here is a big circle jerk of what & who the CDC deems as essential. We can buy liquor, get table dances, buy lumber, and a TV, & attend a sporting event but we can't go on a cruise which has new industry standards with incredible data that has shown tremendous success. Got it. 

7 hours ago, JABTPS said:

The CDC in my opinion ( I think its still a free country for now...)  as with most government agencies, want to control and dictate how business are run, not always for the benefit of the population.  This COVID-19 event has given them the opportunity to place additional restrictions and controls on the cruise line than in the past, because of the heighten concerns people have currently.   Given that, it is then up to businesses to jump through hoops to satisfy some obstacle course of bureaucratic paperwork.  If we could just use common sense, we would all live in a happier place!

 

How many times have you gotten on a long flight, had someone coughing and hacking, and then in 3 days you're sick because of the germ passed through the cabin?   I can say more often than not. 

Planes are just as much incubators as ships.

 

Do the cruises from other ports than USA and see how things shake out.  OR we just have to suit up in an environmental suit everyday so we never get sick 😉

 

Ahh... but according to some posters, commercial jets have fantastic air filtration systems that work magic. And.... if you doubt this they will tell you that you do ont know enough about the technology employed by coomerical airlines to make a comment. 

Having said this... I agree with you. Flying commefically can get you sick... quick too. 

6 minutes ago, mom says said:

Before you called me a liar, you might have bothered to check the facts. The experience of one person means nothing. I suggest you consult the WHO PDF which clearly outlines which countries have mandated proof of certain vaccinations for entry; primarily yellow fever, polio, and meningitis. Airlines and cruise lines DO check for these prior to boarding, where necessary, and WILL deny boarding if the proof isn't forthcoming.

Um, that is not what the thread was about. It's about the exact opposite - the government of Florida mandating a prohibition on requiring proof of vaccination. As opposed to allowing businesses  to decide their own requirements. 

I can't help you. I never called you a liar... but I did tell you your facts were wrong, and they still are. Your facts are wrong. I have flown to many countries. I have entered Russia, Singapore, most of all of the Baltic countries, too many to name of the countries in the Caribbean, Canada, Mexico, Spain, Honduras, Guatemala, Costa Rica, Italy, Greece, Jamaica, France, Malaysia, Belize,Japan, & the Philipines. I've probably missed a few others. Not a single one... in fact NONE of the countries required me to show any identifications and/or proof of vaccinations. 

4 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

No shoes, no shirt, no service is just another way of saying "My business, my house, my rules". Can the governor really restrict private businesses from conducting business their way? If a private business prefers to serve only those that are vaccinated IN THE INTEREST OF PUBLIC SAFETY, they should have every right to do so. Can the governor restrict private businesses from conducting business as they prefer? Seems what DeSantis has done is very wrong.

So... are you saying that going to a Home Depot, Burger King, or your local barber is not safe unless they require a vaccine? 

6 minutes ago, jmhlin said:

Yep. Not biontech and Moderna scientists who really worked hard to get this vaccine possible.

I never said they didn't. Having said this, billions of $$$ were on the line so they were rewarded well. 

1 minute ago, jmhlin said:

Your right is you have a choice to take it not take the vaccine. The business has their right to refuse you to enter their premises. It is that simple.

I agree. But the government has no right to mandate a vaccine passport. Which is what this thread is about. 

1 minute ago, jmhlin said:

Not the country holding all their vaccines to themselves and not sharing with their so call allies. You guys should feel luck to keep the vaccines Americans first.

Thank you Mr. Trump and Warp Speed!

15 minutes ago, jmhlin said:

I feel sorry to the people who lost their life as I always said. I am laughing at a small group of the people in your country who kept on using their rights as a excuse to do whatever they want. It is just sad.

I'm one that still understands the magnitude and number of people that have died before my time for those rights remain intact. What's sad is that you don't understand, comprehend this and/or accept it, the liberties and individual rights are worth fighting & dying for. And that group isn't small. 

4 hours ago, bEwAbG said:

 

Communicable diseases are quite different than religion, which is protected under federal civil rights law.  As far as political and social beliefs, there are stories every few weeks about some owner or another making it known that people who do not believe as they do are welcome to take their business elsewhere.  Not illegal unless it is discriminatory under a state or federal public accommodation law.

 

People can believe all sorts of things that are not true.  Doesn't mean that businesses have to humor them.

I have no issue really w/ a business mandating their requirements. I do have issues w/ a government mandate of a required vaccine ID. 

3 hours ago, morechances said:

Nope

Yes. The vaccine isn't to protect others.... it's to protect your own self. 

5 hours ago, mom says said:

You are free to hold whatever opinion you wish.  BUT. The fact remains that businesses like airlines  and cruiselines have been doing this for years. They must require proof before boarding that you meet all of the entry requirements of the destination (s) you will  arrive at. This has always included mandatory vaccinations such as yellow fever. Countries all over the world are looking at proof of vaccination as a condition for entry, just as they are now requiring proof of negative PCR tests. Hopefully the North American  countries will do the same. Some people seem to be getting hung up on the word "passport".  It may be electronic, it may be paper. It may be called a passport or it may be called a certificate. It's just proof of vaccination. And IMHO, it should be a requirement for international travel until COVID 19 is far in the rear view mirror.

Your FACTS are wrong. I have flown all over the world w/ many different airlines and as of yet, not one airline has required me to show them identification of any vaccine. 

4 hours ago, bEwAbG said:

 

Communicable diseases are quite different than religion, which is protected under federal civil rights law.  As far as political and social beliefs, there are stories every few weeks about some owner or another making it known that people who do not believe as they do are welcome to take their business elsewhere.  Not illegal unless it is discriminatory under a state or federal public accommodation law.

 

People can believe all sorts of things that are not true.  Doesn't mean that businesses have to humor them.

Likewise you & others can believe all you want too and business' do not have to honor your wishes. Remember, I vaxed up by choice. But I respect others choices not to be. I decided to protect myself. If you're vaxed, you'll be fine as well. The purpose of the vax is for self protection. That's all you can do. Demanding that everyone around you is vaxed is absolutely wrong. And if the vaccine doesn't protect you, then they'll need to go back to the drawing board and develop a vaccine that does. 

1 hour ago, bEwAbG said:

 

Communicable diseases are quite different than religion, which is protected under federal civil rights law.  As far as political and social beliefs, there are stories every few weeks about some owner or another making it known that people who do not believe as they do are welcome to take their business elsewhere.  Not illegal unless it is discriminatory under a state or federal public accommodation law.

 

People can believe all sorts of things that are not true.  Doesn't mean that businesses have to humor them.

True. But having the Government mandate a vaccination passport or requirement is different from a business 

1 hour ago, mom says said:

You are free to hold whatever opinion you wish.  BUT. The fact remains that businesses like airlines  and cruiselines have been doing this for years. They must require proof before boarding that you meet all of the entry requirements of the destination (s) you will  arrive at. This has always included mandatory vaccinations such as yellow fever. Countries all over the world are looking at proof of vaccination as a condition for entry, just as they are now requiring proof of negative PCR tests. Hopefully the North American  countries will do the same. Some people seem to be getting hung up on the word "passport".  It may be electronic, it may be paper. It may be called a passport or it may be called a certificate. It's just proof of vaccination. And IMHO, it should be a requirement for international travel until COVID 19 is far in the rear view mirror.

But the airlines aren’t requiring it now unless an international destination requires it. So your argument is weak

6 minutes ago, AstoriaPreppy said:

The Supreme Court has been very receptive to corporate and business interests over the rights of individuals over the last 20 years. Since the 2010 Citizens United case, the US Supreme Court has stipulated that corporations and businesses are essentially people, and should have the same legal rights and responsibilities that people do. 
 

For example, in a 2018 case, Masterpiece Cakeshop declined to make a cake for a gay wedding, and was sanctioned by the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.
 

In overturning the decision in favor of the cake store owners, the Supreme Court took a narrow view, but a majority of the court signaled they would be receptive to further challenges that would allow business owners legal protections to only serve clients with similar beliefs. 

And that cake maker is still being sued! 

6 minutes ago, morechances said:

Not even close.

Helmets are not mandatory in Florida,but are in other places. Does that give Floridians that do not believe in helmets the right to ride without one in Michigan? NOPE.

 

Pfft. 
Sounds like you’re good w one beliefs being discriminated. Got it

18 minutes ago, AstoriaPreppy said:

Vaccination is not just about you being protected... it’s about preventing spread to everyone. 

 

We need a critical mass of people to be vaccinated. This stops both the spread of a virus, and prevents it from mutating. Doing one without the other is a zero sum game. 
 

The worst case scenario in a mass vaccination effort is where a large part of the population is vaccinated, but enough people chose not to get vaccinate that a virus continues to spread. The mutations caused by these unvaccinated people can then easily re-infect vaccinated people, because they may not carry immunity to new mutations. The more people we don’t vaccinate, the more likely this is to happen.  

Wrong. The vaccine is for one’s protection from severe illness & death. 

20 minutes ago, hvbaskey said:

My point was a business can set their own rules.  Don’t like the rules? Then don’t be a patron of said business.  Simple as that.

so w your post you’d be cool w screening your religious beliefs? Your political beleiefs? Your social beliefs? Because many ‘believe’ that the vaccine is not safe. There is no difference. What you’re requesting is that business’ open only to this that believe a certain way.

6 hours ago, hvbaskey said:

 

Agree!    as the ole’ saying goes ... “No Shirts, No Shoes, No Service”.

Telling a patron that they need to wear a shirt or shoes is one thing, but to tell a patron they will not be served because they have elected to not take a vaccine that has been rushed through and not approved as most drugs are is wrong. The appearance of someone barefoot may offend you at a nice restaurant but if that same person had shoes on but was not vaccinated, you would never even know it. So this arguement is very lame and ineffective.