New HAL smoking policy

[johnlcruise]

I just wish there was NO smoking in the casino also...I discovered Celebrity No smoking policy in the casino a few years back. So now I'm making my donations to Celebrity instead of HAL...If HAL could do something about how smokey it gets in the casino I would come back in a hart beat.

[Globaliser]

News flash! As of sometime in January 2012, there will be NO SMOKING IN CABINS OR BALCONIES ON ANY PRINCESS SHIP!

I rather think that's intandemNV's point. It certainly make Princess more attractive than ever.

[sail7seas]

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Sail, you might want to correct your last post. I seriously doubt there is a woman in charge of that are on HAL!!:p

 

 

No..... I wrote what I meant.

 

There was a woman who posted here within the last year and I think more recently than that. She identified herself as working for either Guest or Public Relations for HAL and her 'nickname' her indicated the same.

 

I clearly recall her addressing whatever was the current 'issue' of the day that people were discussing.

 

I would like if she or someone in position to know would explain why Carnival and Princess banned veranda smoking but HAL did not.

[gregdude]

There is another way to look at all of this, now the smokers will be paying for the deep cleaning when a smoker leaves a ship and not all the rest of us! If you want to smoke, you pay to have the cabin cleaned, a good business decision.

[cruisin'girl]

No..... I wrote what I meant.

 

There was a woman who posted here within the last year and I think more recently than that. She identified herself as working for either Guest or Public Relations for HAL and her 'nickname' her indicated the same.

 

I clearly recall her addressing whatever was the current 'issue' of the day that people were discussing.

 

I would like if she or someone in position to know would explain why Carnival and Princess banned veranda smoking but HAL did not.

Pretty obvious I think why one cruiseline was left with verandah smoking. In the interest of fairness there will still be ships attractive to those who want a little more liberal smoking policy. That that one cruiseline is HAL is the breaks of the game.

[LAFFNVEGAS]

No..... I wrote what I meant.

 

There was a woman who posted here within the last year and I think more recently than that. She identified herself as working for either Guest or Public Relations for HAL and her 'nickname' her indicated the same.

 

I clearly recall her addressing whatever was the current 'issue' of the day that people were discussing.

 

I would like if she or someone in position to know would explain why Carnival and Princess banned veranda smoking but HAL did not.

Sail, I think Divi was implying the spelling of Public relations in your first post and was just warning you to correct it while you still could. There was a letter missing givning it a whole another meaning :eek: :D

[sail7seas]

Thanks, Lisa. :D :D

 

[sail7seas]

Spelling erros aside,

does anyone remember this lady about whom I'm referring?

I have no clue what her posting name is.

 

[sail7seas]

Spelling errors aside,

does anyone remember this lady about whom I'm referring?

I have no clue what her posting name is.

 

[lettienets]

No..... I wrote what I meant.

 

There was a woman who posted here within the last year and I think more recently than that. She identified herself as working for either Guest or Public Relations for HAL and her 'nickname' her indicated the same.

 

I clearly recall her addressing whatever was the current 'issue' of the day that people were discussing.

 

I would like if she or someone in position to know would explain why Carnival and Princess banned veranda smoking but HAL did not.

Carnival did not ban balcony smoking, only inside. On 3 new ships there is a spa area with balconies where there is no smoking on the balcony, only spa rooms on Carnival Dream, Magic and Breeze. Ohterwise you can smoke on balconies unfortunately and this new policy is going to cause a lot of grief. I got the email from Carnival yesterday re the new policy.

 

"Effective December 1, 2011, smoking will be prohibited in all guest staterooms. Guests in balcony staterooms may smoke (including cigars) outside on their balcony. However, Spa suites and staterooms, inclusive of the balconies, will remain an entirely smoke-free environment."

[VioletHorse]

No..... I wrote what I meant.

 

There was a woman who posted here within the last year and I think more recently than that. She identified herself as working for either Guest or Public Relations for HAL and her 'nickname' her indicated the same.

 

I clearly recall her addressing whatever was the current 'issue' of the day that people were discussing.

 

I would like if she or someone in position to know would explain why Carnival and Princess banned veranda smoking but HAL did not.

 

sail - I think the person you're referring to posts under the CC name HAL PR.

 

As to the veranda question, Carnival will still allow smoking on their balconies.

 

I'd guess that Princess has banned smoking on their balconies as a result of the tragic fire on the Star Princess on March 23, 2006, caused by a smoldering cigarette butt left on the balcony. 1 passenger died, and 13 other passengers suffered significant smoke inhalation. 79 cabins were destroyed, and another 204 cabins were damaged. I'm just surprised that it took Princess 5 years to ban smoking on balconies.

[DizzyDallasDi]

I would like if she or someone in position to know would explain why Carnival and Princess banned veranda smoking but HAL did not.

 

Carnival DID NOT ban smoking on their verandahs. In fact, they will continue to allow cigar smoking on them. Where do you come up with this stuff????

[bcd2010]

Spelling erros aside,

does anyone remember this lady about whom I'm referring?

I have no clue what her posting name is.

 

 

Was it in the discussion about the new Mariner's program? Re: the medallions? She came on here and said that after reading the posts (and maybe other reasons), the medallions would be continued.

 

Really stretching my brain on this one!

[IRL_Joanie]

So no one is 100% happy? That's life. Stay home if everything has to be perfect for you. It's called COMPROMISE! You give up a little to get a little or a lot. I think Carnival Corp. did a good job in a situation for which there is no perfect solution. Carnival and Princess ships have no smoking in cabins or on verandahs. HAL allows smoking on verandahs- and with less than 20% of pax being smokers, and certainly all smokers are not out on their verandahs at the same time, so how bad is that really? Carnival Corp. is trying to make the majority of both groups happy, if not 100% happy they gave something to both sides.

 

Some of these people complaining had no trouble at all sitting in the smoking section of Ocean Bar, right at the bar itself in fact, when smoking was allowed there. Now suddenly even a whiff of smoke in the open air is completely intolerable. What's with that?

 

So some people want things to be perfect for them and them alone- HAL to be the cruiseline with no cabin and no verandah smoking because they don't want to compromise at all. There are plenty of great premium and luxury cruiselines with stricter no smoking rules than HAL's new policy; try one. Life's all about compromise.

 

Thank You so much!! Compromise is the greatest problem I believe. I, as stated many times, will be happy as long as I am allowed to smoke on my verandah:) That is a great compromise in my opinion:)

 

I do not smoke in any public area except for the Aft Lido section so no one has to worry unless they decide even that is not good enough for them. But since I seldom go up there anymore....

 

Joanie

[IRL_Joanie]

Spelling erros aside,

does anyone remember this lady about whom I'm referring?

I have no clue what her posting name is.

 

I believe she posted as

HAL_PR

Public Relations Manager, Holland America Line

 

Joanie

[LAFFNVEGAS]

Spelling erros aside,

does anyone remember this lady about whom I'm referring?

I have no clue what her posting name is.

 

:eek: WOW speaking of spelling errors my own post to you was way off lol I was in a very big hurry to get off the computer to get ready for work.

But Yes the person was something like HAL PR just cannot remember exactly what it was for her handle:confused:

[iancal]

HAL made a business decision based on customer demand, health, safety, and probably insurance premiums as well. So did Princess and Carnival. There will be more decisions to come. HAL, Princess are mass market lines......so guess who they want to appeal to?? I am certain that HAL and others have quantified the potential loss of revenue from their policy change...and quantified the potential revenue increase and expense decrease. They are very smart business people. They want to be positioned where the puck is going, not where it has been.

 

The notion of comparing tobacco smoke to the perfume or cologne is ridiculous. They are two very seperate and very unrelated issues and should be dealt with as such. The suggeston that smoking should not be restricted until such time as the perfume/cologne issue is dealt with is a red herring in the truest sense of the word. And it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Do people with food allergies such as peanuts say that smoking should not be restricted unless the cruise lines forbids the use of peanuts, peanut oils, peanut derivitives, etc. from their ship their ships provisions or from the possession of cruisers boarding the ship??? I think not.

[GeriatricNurse]

I just wish there was NO smoking in the casino also...I discovered Celebrity No smoking policy in the casino a few years back. So now I'm making my donations to Celebrity instead of HAL...If HAL could do something about how smokey it gets in the casino I would come back in a hart beat.

 

 

It would be great if HAL could/would ENCLOSE the casinos, like X has done, at least on their M-Class ships! :(

[sail7seas]

sail - I think the person you're referring to posts under the CC name HAL PR.

 

 

Yes. Thanks. That is about whom I was thinking and I know I never would have remembered her name. Thank you. :)

 

 

 

As to the veranda question, Carnival will still allow smoking on their balconies.

 

I'd guess that Princess has banned smoking on their balconies as a result of the tragic fire on the Star Princess on March 23, 2006, caused by a smoldering cigarette butt left on the balcony. 1 passenger died, and 13 other passengers suffered significant smoke inhalation. 79 cabins were destroyed, and another 204 cabins were damaged. I'm just surprised that it took Princess 5 years to ban smoking on balconies.

 

 

Sorry for the confusion. I thought both Princess and Carnival banned veranda smoking.

 

Took a balcony fire for Princess to ban it? :eek: Of course, like most here, I clearly remember that fire.

 

[m steve]

we will continue to sail HAL ships. We are requesting a refund from Princess on our future cruise credit. I think HAL has a reasonable policy. My partner would not smoke inside except in the casino bar. Now for all those people who wanted smoking stopped, they now have Princess to sail in place of HAL and the Carnival Corp. will still get their $$$. Of course the smoking evangelists will never be satisfied.

[Goldryder]

The Star Princess fire of 2006 was probably the worst for a while, however, there have been others...

 

HAL Westerdam under construction in 2003, nearly didn't make it out the shipyard - photo's here http://www.cruisefans.nl/brandwesterdam.html

 

Others include Scandinavian Star (sabotage, ciggie left in laundry bag...almost 150 killed), Achille Lauro, Angelina Lauro, Carnival Splendor, Carnival Ecstacy, Costa Classica, Costa Romantica, Sun Vista, Fantome...they may not all be down to carelessly discarded ciggies, but they are a timely reminder that when a fire breaks out whilst at sea, there are no fire engines that can come and put it out.

 

Smoking is as contentious an issue as tipping, but when you see just how quickly a fire can catch hold and how much damage it can do...then no-one can blame the lines for tightening the rules.

 

I suspect that it was the irresponsible few smokers who refused to abide by the original rules that went a long way towards them being tightened up...t'is always the same...the minority of 'don't care' ruining it for those who comply.

 

I am an ex smoker and I can see it from both sides of the balcony divider...and I also see it from the point of view from crew & entertainers who when playing & working in smokey bars & venues too...they have no opportunity to go outside for clean air, you as passengers do, they have to keep going regardless...hence why so many entertainers over the years have been lost to passive smoking related illness.

 

Sad fact is that for every one smoker who acts responsibly, there will always be 1 who does not.....and Star Princess in 2006 was just an example of one misjudged decision made in a millisecond that changed lives forever.

[fann1sh]

Goldryder, perhaps I would have phrased it - "for every 20 smokers who acts responsibly, there will always be 1 who does not".

 

IME HAL has an overwhelming majority of responsible smokers.

 

In fact...maybe "20" is too low....

[GeriatricNurse]

The Star Princess fire of 2006 was probably the worst for a while, however, there have been others...

 

HAL Westerdam under construction in 2003, nearly didn't make it out the shipyard - photo's here http://www.cruisefans.nl/brandwesterdam.html

 

Others include Scandinavian Star (sabotage, ciggie left in laundry bag...almost 150 killed), Achille Lauro, Angelina Lauro, Carnival Splendor, Carnival Ecstacy, Costa Classica, Costa Romantica, Sun Vista, Fantome...they may not all be down to carelessly discarded ciggies, but they are a timely reminder that when a fire breaks out whilst at sea, there are no fire engines that can come and put it out.

 

Smoking is as contentious an issue as tipping, but when you see just how quickly a fire can catch hold and how much damage it can do...then no-one can blame the lines for tightening the rules.

 

I suspect that it was the irresponsible few smokers who refused to abide by the original rules that went a long way towards them being tightened up...t'is always the same...the minority of 'don't care' ruining it for those who comply.

 

I am an ex smoker and I can see it from both sides of the balcony divider...and I also see it from the point of view from crew & entertainers who when playing & working in smokey bars & venues too...they have no opportunity to go outside for clean air, you as passengers do, they have to keep going regardless...hence why so many entertainers over the years have been lost to passive smoking related illness.

 

Sad fact is that for every one smoker who acts responsibly, there will always be 1 who does not.....and Star Princess in 2006 was just an example of one misjudged decision made in a millisecond that changed lives forever.

 

What caused the fire? :confused:

[Goldryder]

What caused the fire? :confused:

 

Well...believe this or not...it was a fire from within a deck 7 aft cabin that started the blaze. The cause of the fire was never made public....

 

If the photo's are what happens from a single cabin fire...even though under construction...I would certainly not like to be on board if a real fire broke out with pax aboard....regardless of how it starts.

[hulamoon]

Good. Does this mean we can now burn our HAL post-cruise smoking questionaire?

 

 

Yes, but only on the balcony.;)