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luckyprincess

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Just one of our weird, completely logic-free cultural things. Women in hats at dinner - stylish, sophisticated. Men in hats at dinner - uncouth pigs who don't know any better.:rolleyes:

 

Another one that comes to mind - women can be in a skimpy dress with knees, shoulders and arms bare to the world and be considered "formal". For men, to be "formal" they must be completely covered, and in a coat no less!

 

So, so true! Irritates me to no end!

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SamFritz

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I thought an ascot was a type of tie/neckwear. Now it's a woman's "hat"???:confused:

 

Now I'm thinking of asking Johnny what these things are. You know, hats, broaches, pterodactyl,ascot,fascinator.

 

I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.:eek:

 

I've been these boards for quite a while now and I believe that was the first Airplane! reset I've ever seen here thanks for the laugh.

 

 

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I believe the etiquette rule came about because women typically have longer and more intricately styled hair, and if they are wearing a hat or fascinator, then the hairstyle incorporates the hat. If the hat is removed, the hairstyle is ruined.

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You may be correct about the hairstyle aspect, but well into the 20th century, it wasn't "proper" for women to go without a hat of some sort. Had to do with modesty and customs.

 

Men always remove their hats when coming indoors. Yes. It's a double standard.

 

 

Teddie.

 

 

 

 

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Gilgo Surfer

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No problem. ;) Take notice of groups of girls, especially in the 20s age range. There's always one girl wearing a straw cowboy hat. Nothing wrong, just a funny cliche'. :)

 

I'm usually the guy diggin the girl in the cowboy hat...

 

Guess I'm just a country boy at heart.;)

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I'm a history buff so here's an explanation:

 

During much of history a hat was a helmet. Removing one's helmet was a mark of trust. This is the origin of tipping one's hat. 1000 years ago a knight might briefly remove his helmet (say during a negotiation) to demonstrate trust toward his rival.

 

While dining and feasting with wine and bread many fights would happen. A helmetless man clearly was in a peaceful mode, thus it became traditional for a man not to cover his head while dining, to do otherwise showed that one was in fear of violence. An uncovered pate was trusting and calm. Outside the helmet was on.

 

Of course this was only true for a small segment of the population. This segment consisted of the nobles/warriors/rich. Like many customs it was adopted later by the rest in emulation of the habits of what seemed to be at the time the successful/dominant class.

 

Clearly this only applied to warriors who through most of history were men.

 

Conversely, women would cover their heads as a show of modesty, it was believed that a woman's hair could entice passion and unofficial babies which were a big deal then. Moslem societies extended this to cover the entire head/face for similiar reasons.

 

Yes it's a double standard but most double standards favor men so let's concede this one.

 

BTW shaking hands (with the right hand) made it impossible to stab someone, again a mark of trust/truce/chill out.

 

Aren't you glad you live in modern times?

 

So this is now the custom. Ignoring it is not a big deal IMHO but following it shows a sophistication and understanding that is pleasant and de rigueur. Why not?

 

And there's some logic, or there was many years ago. Customs are sometimes perpetuated long after the original reason is lost. It's an ancestral memory. Isn't history cool? I think so.

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VK3DQ

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For Gentlemen

 

http://www.huffenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/darcy.jpg

 

 

Ladies hair

 

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-6GmOPAVvgPU/UPR0IV0k_VI/AAAAAAAADc8/mN9xv7pddTo/s1600/netherfield-ball-refreshments.jpg

 

 

For ladies

 

http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=46755141

 

Anyone care to dance ???

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Gilgo Surfer

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I'm a history buff so here's an explanation:

 

During much of history a hat was a helmet. Removing one's helmet was a mark of trust. This is the origin of tipping one's hat. 1000 years ago a knight might briefly remove his helmet (say during a negotiation) to demonstrate trust toward his rival.

 

While dining and feasting with wine and bread many fights would happen. A helmetless man clearly was in a peaceful mode, thus it became traditional for a man not to cover his head while dining, to do otherwise showed that one was in fear of violence. An uncovered pate was trusting and calm. Outside the helmet was on.

 

Of course this was only true for a small segment of the population. This segment consisted of the nobles/warriors/rich. Like many customs it was adopted later by the rest in emulation of the habits of what seemed to be at the time the successful/dominant class.

 

Clearly this only applied to warriors who through most of history were men.

 

Conversely, women would cover their heads as a show of modesty, it was believed that a woman's hair could entice passion and unofficial babies which were a big deal then. Moslem societies extended this to cover the entire head/face for similiar reasons.

 

Yes it's a double standard but most double standards favor men so let's concede this one.

 

BTW shaking hands (with the right hand) made it impossible to stab someone, again a mark of trust/truce/chill out.

 

Aren't you glad you live in modern times?

 

So this is now the custom. Ignoring it is not a big deal IMHO but following it shows a sophistication and understanding that is pleasant and de rigueur. Why not?

 

And there's some logic, or there was many years ago. Customs are sometimes perpetuated long after the original reason is lost. It's an ancestral memory. Isn't history cool? I think so.

 

Very Interesting. Thanks Doc.:)

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NorbertsNiece "Live from...." Rare

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Ooooooooooooh yes please with number 1......

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kitty9

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Why'd you have to go and do that?

We Brits have had the Jubilee and the Olympics and had plenty to be proud of in 2012 and you go and bring up what was a national laughing stock..... have you seen what the German press have had to say about these two just today? I am so so sorry.

 

Yes, I've read a lot about their trip in the UK newspapers. Those two young ladies can't win, no matter what they do. It's quite sad for them.

 

I was on a world cruise where one woman had a huge trunk just for her hats. Of course she also had three trunks for her enormous ballgowns. And, she was upset that her accountant only allowed her $15,000 a day to gamble in the casino. She was something else. I went with her on a jewelry shopping trip in Dubai where she purchased a diamond and emerald necklace for $100,000 and didn't bat an eyelash.

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I was on a world cruise where one woman had a huge trunk just for her hats. Of course she also had three trunks for her enormous ballgowns. And, she was upset that her accountant only allowed her $15,000 a day to gamble in the casino. She was something else. I went with her on a jewelry shopping trip in Dubai where she purchased a diamond and emerald necklace for $100,000 and didn't bat an eyelash.

 

OMG :eek::eek:

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For the love of God, PLEASE don't come to dinner in this.......

 

XPOSURE_EUGENIE_BEATRICE5.jpg

 

:confused::eek:

 

What is wrong with that poor girl's (in blue) finger?

Look like it got stuck in the car door!! ouch.

 

Can never remember which is which.

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LittleMissMagic "Live from...." Rare

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No problem. ;) Take notice of groups of girls, especially in the 20s age range. There's always one girl wearing a straw cowboy hat. Nothing wrong, just a funny cliche'. :)

 

Okay, I'm from the south and I've not noticed this. Also, the straw cowboy hat trend was kind of five years ago. Girls (or at least southern girls) have moved on to floppy beach hats or bright neon trucker hat monstrosities (for the beach, of course, not indoor dining... at least hopefully not indoor dining).

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Funny thing about men and hats. Take the old Dutch Masters (you've seen them in paintings and on cigar boxes). They had the big wide hats with the huge plumes on them. Those hats were only worn in one circumstance - when seated at the table. The rest of the time there were to be held in the left hand and only used to gesture with. I guess it would be too hard to eat and wave a huge hat around at the same time, hmmm?

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