Fire on Carnival Triumph. No engines, running on emergency generators.

[shof515]

quick question, and sorry if it has already been asked. Why cant a working ship be emptied of its customers and that ship be brought back out to the triumph and have the passengers loaded on that one to bring home?

 

they are alot of posts about. USCG wont allow it as the passengers is in a safer environment on board then trying to move people between ships

[BrianMD]

I'm not sure how related this is, but on Saturday in Cozumel, an ambulance did take someone off the Triumph.

 

I read somewhere that 2 people were evacuated. One for dialysis and another for broken leg.

[LauraS]

At this point all the information is second hand. There is no way to to verify Carnival's information nor is there anyway to verify comments made by members on this board.

 

 

Just an FYI that the information contained in our editorial news articles are not only gleaned from this forum; additionally those members are contacted via email for additional information and verification.

[aberthelot]

That, by itself, is something that will happen on every ship from time to time. What's happening on Triumph is much worse because the entire sewage system backed up from loss of power.

Yes, I know that it must be much worse on the Triumph...but it is disgusting to wake up to that after paying thousands for a trip.

[Cindy]

Carnival said. Medical staff will be waiting in port for the ship's arrival' date=' in case passengers need treatment.[/color']

:cool: In case???? :rolleyes:

 

 

One of the biggest concerns crew members will have until the ship docks is the potential for disease outbreak, particularly norovirus, which causes vomiting and diarrhea, Jay Herring, a former senior officer for Carnival Cruise Lines, told The Associated Press

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:cool: No doubt it has already broken out :rolleyes:

 

There may well be vomiting and diarrhea, but the only way it's norovirus is if someone on the ship was already infected and brought the virus aboard either in Galveston or Cozumel.

I think it's more likely that stomach illnesses on board are food borne, caused by motion sickness from the unstabilized ship, stress related, or a response to the unpleasant odors.

[ducklite]

I heard of only 1 medivac. No large transfer of pax off the ship.

 

Some links:

Q&A Transcript with Director of Alabama Cruise Terminal

http://blog.al.com/live/2013/02/news...th_cruise.html

 

Carnival Press Conference Video (w/o questions from the press)

 

There was a second, someone with a broken leg. It was unclear if it was a passenger or crew.

[Julia’s Journey’s]

Stock is down over 3% and on a downward trend. I don't expect to see that change any time soon.

 

Great time to buy if you were considering :):):)

[aberthelot]

More cancellations for future cruises have been announced.

[ducklite]

The original statement said that they were refunding everything EXCEPT things bought in the gift shop and casino charges. I would take that to mean they were refunding shore excursions too, even if they had the excursion.

 

Yes, that's what I read. If I were on board I wouldn't expect to be refunded for a shore excursion I took. Just my opinion.

[BaylorMustang]

Carnival just officially annouced the cancellation of the next 12 cruises on the triumph. Feb 21st through april 30th.

[jonbgd]

Carnival just officially annouced the cancellation of the next 12 cruises on the triumph. Feb 21st through april 30th.

I thought it was only till 4-13

[broberts]

Of course it costs money to pull a ship from service. That said, the last several incidents of engine room fires have all been on Carnival Corp. ships. That tells us that something is clearly wrong with their procedures and decision-making.

 

Very short memory. The last engine room fire was on the newest vessel in the Royal Caribbean fleet, Allure of the Seas April 20, 2012 - http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2012/04/articles/fires-1/fire-breaks-out-aboard-allure-of-the-seas-cruise-ship/

 

I'm waiting for the NTSB report of the Triumph incident to explain contributing factors and provide a clear analysis.

[ducklite]

Updated CC news article, if you missed it.

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5198

 

Gerry Cahill said ... Most of the public bathrooms, there are 23 public bathrooms, most of them are working," he said during a news conference in Miami. There is also a "good section" of passenger cabins, in the forward and midship sections of the ship, that are working.

 

His statement contrasts sharply with reports from the national media, as well comments from Cruise Critic members, that there are no toilets or running water and that there is human waste everywhere.

 

I do believe that they got some of them working, so I do believe that he is being truthful. I don't believe he is giving the entire picture, which is that there is raw sewage soaked into carpets and possibly down walls, showers on lower floors are full of back flow sewage, and the toilets and floors in the public rest rooms are filthy.

[dwjoe]

i just don't understand the entitlement of families on shore that feel they need to know everything that is going on on the ship. you would think they are the ones involved in this event and that they are the ones having to experience the unthinkable. so, what if people have a few restless nights worrying about their loved ones, doesn't make them the victim. yes its hard to be the one left at home, but they know the ship is being towed and that their loved ones are safe and that they will be home by tomorrow. now what else do they HAVE TO KNOW.

Easy to dismiss the anxiety and worry of others. Hope you never experience it.

 

What else do they have to know? Like, maybe, how their loved ones are doing on board? Things that need attention while they're delayed for several days? or details on when the ship is arriving, where pax will be staying, and details on when and how they are getting back to Galveston? You have no right to judge the familes of pax as "entitled" for wanting information.

[ducklite]

How many times can it be repeated: The US Coast Guard is not going to allow a transfer of passengers at sea if their current situation is not life threatening, whether Carnival wanted to do it or not.

 

Thus transfer to another ship is not an option and the idea needs to be discarded.

 

Regardless of what they may or may not have done wrong leading to the crippling engine room fire, it really does seem to me that Carnival is doing everything in their power to get these passengers home quickly and safely in the aftermath. They gain nothing by making conditions worse or slowing down the return.

 

Again my response is that as long as the ship was in international waters, I'm not sure that the USCG had the authority to prevent someone from leaving the ship if they chose to.

[stevenr597]

This is the second major fire on one of the newer Carnival Ships that has caused much hardship to it passengers and placed both the passengers and crew in significant danger. We have also read about the sinking of the MS Costa Concordia which is owned by Carnival Cruise Lines. In addition, we constantly read about propulsion issues on several of the Carnival Ships which has resulted in delays or major modifications of cruises.

 

Carnival has made no secrets about cutbacks in an attempt to keep their prices low. But at what point does these cutback result in not only a poorer and cheaper cruise expereince, but may impact the safe operations of the ships?

 

We are Platinum Level Carnival Cruisers, butwe have noticed, over the past several years, that Carnival ships have appeared to be overcroweded with fewer crew to provide services. One can only look at plans of the Carnival Sunshine. Carnival states that they are updating the ship, but they are also adding additonal cabins for more passengers. In addition to the potential for overcrowding, we have also questioned the training of many of the Carnival Crew.

 

I do feel that Carnival should take a serious look in their operations. Certainly, considering our economy, Carnival should continue to make an attempt to hold costs down, but I feel that the pendulum has shiped to much in one direction. Carnival needs to add more trained crew, as well as to provide a more safer cruise expereience to its passengers.

[dwjoe]

I do believe that they got some of them working, so I do believe that he is being truthful. I don't believe he is giving the entire picture, which is that there is raw sewage soaked into carpets and possibly down walls, showers on lower floors are full of back flow sewage, and the toilets and floors in the public rest rooms are filthy.

I also believe him that there are some toilets back up, but what % of pax now have access to them... or how long they have to wait to use them... unknown.

 

There is also a time lag. His statement was as of 6pm Tuesday, whereas the pax accounts were mostly from Monday. Hopefully things improved in between.

[BaylorMustang]

I thought it was only till 4-13

 

Sorry the 13th hard to type with a baby in my lap:)

[Rasvar]

Very short memory. The last engine room fire was on the newest vessel in the Royal Caribbean fleet, Allure of the Seas April 20, 2012 - http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2012/04/articles/fires-1/fire-breaks-out-aboard-allure-of-the-seas-cruise-ship/

 

I'm waiting for the NTSB report of the Triumph incident to explain contributing factors and provide a clear analysis.

 

I'm not sure the NTSB has jurisdiction over an internationally flagged cruise ship. I think the report has to come from the country that the ship is flagged under.

[jonbgd]

Again my response is that as long as the ship was in international waters, I'm not sure that the USCG had the authority to prevent someone from leaving the ship if they chose to.

While the USCG might or might not but..... commen sense would say it isnt a good Idea

I think that is a long swim back to shore:rolleyes:

[cruzinlisa]

Truthfully, I will wait and see what it was really like. I know it will be bad. Yeah, sewage backing up into the showers and flowing into the rooms seems real. Heck, I've seen it happen on a ship without generator problems. So I'm not surprised. I'd also bet that the lower the deck is, the more problems that occur. For some people, not having AC is a disaster. For others it is no big deal. You will have a bunch of people say it wasn't fun but wasn't horrible and the crew did a good job. Others will describe the apocalypse and say they feared for their lives. That is going to be the normal response of 3000+ people. I'm interested in how well the crew managed the situation. I'm sure the food is horrible by now. I'm actually wonder about enough water for everyone. I feel bad for people who have conditions that require specific nutritional requirements. If Carnival is shown to have been neglect in the events, they will end up paying a lot more. I don't think anyone is saying it is a picnic and happy. Just that some people would deal with it. I have no urge to ever want to be in this situation. If it happened, I would deal with it. Just get everyone back home to a bed, shower and a good hot meal.

 

Well said. Personally, I will reserve judgment until more facts are available. As you said, I am sure its not fun and games there. But I do not know if its deporable, disease ridden, life and death conditions either. We shall see soon. One thing I do know, I feel for the people there and I would not want to be there.

[broberts]

they are alot of posts about. USCG wont allow it as the passengers is in a safer environment on board then trying to move people between ships

 

I doubt the USCG has any say in the matter. Ultimately the Captain is the one who makes and bears responsibility for such a decision.

 

Edit: I'm wrong, see later posts on the subject.

[ducklite]

Great time to buy if you were considering :):):)

 

Now down over 4% and dropping like a rock.

[cruisinfanatic]

Updated CC news article, if you missed it.

http://www.cruisecritic.com/news/news.cfm?ID=5198

 

Gerry Cahill said ... Most of the public bathrooms, there are 23 public bathrooms, most of them are working," he said during a news conference in Miami. There is also a "good section" of passenger cabins, in the forward and midship sections of the ship, that are working.

 

His statement contrasts sharply with reports from the national media, as well comments from Cruise Critic members, that there are no toilets or running water and that there is human waste everywhere.

Except that those comments haven't been in the last couple days. I'd think the boss would know more than guesses by the media

[63Corvette]

Stock is down over 3% and on a downward trend. I don't expect to see that change any time soon.

So is Royal Carribbean (down 1.04). Carnival down 1.64. You need to look at more than one day to proclaim a meaningful trend.