Disney new smoking policy

[mein18]

Statistically about 1 out of 5 of the US population smoke - I don't know what the ratio is on cruises though. It's certainly not 50/50.

 

But let's say it's the same - 1 out of 5 - so that means 80% of the passengers do not smoke.

 

The 20% being allowed to smoke at all on a cruise ship and only in designated areas seems more than fair to that small percentage of smokers and to the other 80% who do not want to be around smoke. I agree - smokers have their rights - it's not illegal. But, so do non-smokers who are in the majority group.

 

I wish the 80% of non-smoking RCL fans would write to ask for a change to the smoking policy.

 

So just cruise on Disney and you will be happy. Fortunately the minorities in the US have their rights.

[ducklite]

Statistically about 1 out of 5 of the US population smoke - I don't know what the ratio is on cruises though. It's certainly not 50/50.

 

But let's say it's the same - 1 out of 5 - so that means 80% of the passengers do not smoke.

 

The 20% being allowed to smoke at all on a cruise ship and only in designated areas seems more than fair to that small percentage of smokers and to the other 80% who do not want to be around smoke. I agree - smokers have their rights - it's not illegal. But, so do non-smokers who are in the majority group.

 

I wish the 80% of non-smoking RCL fans would write to ask for a change to the smoking policy.

 

Um, that's one in five adults. Considering that on any given voyage, half the ship is children, it's 10% of passengers who smoke. (And it's 19% of adults, not 20 just to be picky... http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/adult_data/cig_smoking/ )

[The Sunset Glow]

Statistically about 1 out of 5 of the US population smoke - I don't know what the ratio is on cruises though. It's certainly not 50/50.

 

But let's say it's the same - 1 out of 5 - so that means 80% of the passengers do not smoke.

 

The 20% being allowed to smoke at all on a cruise ship and only in designated areas seems more than fair to that small percentage of smokers and to the other 80% who do not want to be around smoke. I agree - smokers have their rights - it's not illegal. But, so do non-smokers who are in the majority group.

 

I wish the 80% of non-smoking RCL fans would write to ask for a change to the smoking policy.

 

And that's only 20% of the adults - with all the kids on board that ratio comes way down.

 

ETA: looks like ducklite and I had the same thought at the same time:D

[mein18]

This is a first for CC. Online math lessons.

 

Thank goodness the US didn't use this logic back in the 60's.

[mein18]

 

I wish the 80% of non-smoking RCL fans would write to ask for a change to the smoking policy.

 

They won't because 98% of those 80% do not notice it, are not bothered by it nor are inconvenienced by it. Those such as yourself that go out of your way to notice it (if you ever even have) are those to complain.

 

FYI, this is a Disney thread so time to drop any RCI references.

[TwinPrincessMermaids]

And here I was enjoying all the RCI users 'visiting' us!

 

:(

[rktilleryj]

They won't because 98% of those 80% do not notice it, are not bothered by it nor are inconvenienced by it.

 

So basically what you are claiming is that most non-smokers do not notice and are not bothered by cigarette smoke? Sorry but if you truly believe that, you are delusional.

[mein18]

So basically what you are claiming is that most non-smokers do not notice and are not bothered by cigarette smoke? Sorry but if you truly believe that, you are delusional.

 

There are approved and limited areas on the ship where smoking is allowed. Most logical and intelligent non-smokers will avoid those areas.

[ducklite]

They won't because 98% of those 80% do not notice it, are not bothered by it nor are inconvenienced by it. Those such as yourself that go out of your way to notice it (if you ever even have) are those to complain.

 

FYI, this is a Disney thread so time to drop any RCI references.

 

I disagree. The only non-smokers I know who aren't bothered by smoke are those who live with a smoker and as such as desensitized by it. (Or perhaps a bit brain damaged due to carcinogens from second-hand smoke.) I love it when a smoker finally quits and realizes how bad they smelled and offensive they were to others.

 

I do everything possible to avoid it, but unfortunately there are times when smokers seem to go out of their way to make non-smokers breathe in smoke--like when they congregate directly in front of the doors of a store or office building. I guess it's too hard for them to walk 30 feet away from the doors.

[ducklite]

There are approved and limited areas on the ship where smoking is allowed. Most logical and intelligent non-smokers will avoid those areas.

 

However we still need to smell the STENCH from their clothing and hair long after the cigarette is out. It can be stomach turning. I have walked out of theaters when a smoker sat next to me because I couldn't stand the smell.

[joepeka]

There are approved and limited areas on the ship where smoking is allowed. Most logical and intelligent non-smokers will avoid those areas.

Uh, didn't you say you were going back to the RCI board, now that this thread is in it's proper place on the Disney board? :confused:

[dkjretired]

I am very sympathetic and it is good to know that you can now cruise on Disney and we will cruise on RCI.

 

If everyone only knew the amount of smoke generated from the engines. Should they ban them too?

 

Not sure if anyone remembers but going back around 8 years ago I am pretty sure it was RCI that had 2 ships that were totally non smoking. They couldn't fill the ships.

 

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It was not RCI it was the Carnival Paradise, launched in 1998. They even went so far as ordering that workers were not allowed to smoke in the dockyard as it was being built. They had a strict policy against smoking and you were put off the ship if caught even in possession of smoking materials.

 

The non smoking ship only lasted a couple of years as they were not making enough money in the bars and the casino.

[ducklite]

It was not RCI it was the Carnival Paradise, launched in 1998. They even went so far as ordering that workers were not allowed to smoke in the dockyard as it was being built. They had a strict policy against smoking and you were put off the ship if caught even in possession of smoking materials.

 

The non smoking ship only lasted a couple of years as they were not making enough money in the bars and the casino.

 

I don't think they thought that through very well and researched their demographics.

 

On my last cruise, less than 1% of passengers smoked. The bars were always full and the casino was pretty active about 75% of the evenings.

[mein18]

I don't think they thought that through very well and researched their demographics.

 

On my last cruise, less than 1% of passengers smoked. .

 

Did you stand at embarkation and take a survey?

 

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[ducklite]

Did you stand at embarkation and take a survey?

 

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I didn't have to. If they had, they would have done something differently to begin with. That isnt' rocket science. Why not skidaddle back to the RCI boards where you belong?

[whitecap]

I am 63 years of age; grew up with the Mickey Mouse Club, Mouseketeers Annette, Bobby, Cubby, Darlene and the rest of the crew and of course my man Mickey and the love of my life Minnie. Watched them every day and to the best of my knowledge I don't recall a single one of them smoking! THANK YOU DISNEY! I'll be there very soon to enjoy my smoke free balcony where I hope that Minnie will join me for a glass of vino ;) (now that she is of age)

[TwinPrincessMermaids]

You will love it! I know I've become an addict to DCL myself!

[libertybelle41]

I hope not or I'll be canceling my cruises and won't be sailing anymore. :(

 

They chose a strange time (mid November) to start the new policy. Why not just start on January 1st? I guess they want smoking banned before the holidays. I cruised on Disney last June and I would have cancelled. I am respectful of non-smokers and always check if neighbors are on their balconies before I light up, but I'm paying the same cost as they are. I'm not walking through an entire ship in my pajamas if I can't sleep and would like to smoke a cigarette in the middle of the night when most people are sleeping.

 

Just curious, if they make such a massive change, do they reimburse your entire cost of the cruise, if you choose to cancel due to a new policy which wasn't stipulated in your contract at the time of purchase?

 

Well I'll take your place. I love this idea and can't wait to book because of it.

You may be "respectful of non-smokers" but most are not and they ruin it for all of you. I just hope Royal caribbean follows. :)

[whitecap]

My wife and I are non smokers and we don't do formal nights so we are very pleased with the changes, no more smoking on balconies and shorts now being ok for the dinning rooms. I have read the passenger contract many many times and I don't recall anywhere there being a guaranteed right to smoke, anywhere on the ship. It is a privilege that is offered by the cruise line and therefore can be changed anytime they want. I do understand smokers frustration but really, have you guys not seen this coming for quite some time. The times they are a changing and sometimes, like it or not, you got to change with them or decide to just sit at home.

[Ex techie]

My wife and I are non smokers and we don't do formal nights so we are very pleased with the changes, no more smoking on balconies and shorts now being ok for the dinning rooms. I have read the passenger contract many many times and I don't recall anywhere there being a guaranteed right to smoke, anywhere on the ship. It is a privilege that is offered by the cruise line and therefore can be changed anytime they want. I do understand smokers frustration but really, have you guys not seen this coming for quite some time. The times they are a changing and sometimes, like it or not, you got to change with them or decide to just sit at home.

 

Do you not thing it is poor of DCL to not give prior warning to Guest's that have already purchased non refundable airfare and thus will lose money or have increased costs because of a policy change made once purchased?

 

Whilst I agree with the balcony smoking ban, I think that the short notice given is bad for those that were allowed to smoke on the balcony when they were able to book.

 

ex techie

[ducklite]

Do you not thing it is poor of DCL to not give prior warning to Guest's that have already purchased non refundable airfare and thus will lose money or have increased costs because of a policy change made once purchased?

 

Whilst I agree with the balcony smoking ban, I think that the short notice given is bad for those that were allowed to smoke on the balcony when they were able to book.

 

ex techie

 

I just don't see the problem. It's not like they are being told they can't smoke at all or are being charged to use the designated area. It's not like they are closing the kids clubs, cancelling the evening shows, or only serving buttered toast and balck coffee for breakfast.

[Ex techie]

I just don't see the problem. It's not like they are being told they can't smoke at all or are being charged to use the designated area. It's not like they are closing the kids clubs, cancelling the evening shows, or only serving buttered toast and balck coffee for breakfast.

 

Even if the Guest has mobility challenges and requires someone to then them to either have easy access to accessible balcony, or have to go to a DSA on another deck?

 

Seriously ducklite, you really see no issue in DCL changing what has been paid for and agreed at least in this case?

 

ex techie

[ducklite]

Even if the Guest has mobility challenges and requires someone to then them to either have easy access to accessible balcony, or have to go to a DSA on another deck?

 

Seriously ducklite, you really see no issue in DCL changing what has been paid for and agreed at least in this case?

 

ex techie

 

No, I don't. The decks are all accessible and it is no different for a person in a wheelchair to get to the smoking area than an able bodied person. If they want, take the granddaughter along for some "quality time" during the smoke break.

[MizDaisy]

However we still need to smell the STENCH from their clothing and hair long after the cigarette is out. It can be stomach turning. I have walked out of theaters when a smoker sat next to me because I couldn't stand the smell.

 

 

And I have almost vomited being stuck in an elevator with someone who has body odor, or uses too much perfume or cologne....or all the dirty diapers on the kids on Disney........

Just because you don't LIKE the smell, doesn't mean the person should be outcast. Should everyone be cleaner, or try harder to not smell offensive? Yes. But that's not going to happen.

[MizDaisy]

My wife and I are non smokers and we don't do formal nights so we are very pleased with the changes, no more smoking on balconies and shorts now being ok for the dinning rooms. I have read the passenger contract many many times and I don't recall anywhere there being a guaranteed right to smoke, anywhere on the ship. It is a privilege that is offered by the cruise line and therefore can be changed anytime they want. I do understand smokers frustration but really, have you guys not seen this coming for quite some time. The times they are a changing and sometimes, like it or not, you got to change with them or decide to just sit at home.

 

 

 

I just think it's funny that when Disney had given whatever notice it was, 90 days or whatever, before they were going to change the rules to not allow people to carry on their own alcohol, everyone went CRAZY! They were OUTRAGED that they weren't given more notice and that Disney would do such a thing.

Now that it's smoking, no one seems to feel so outraged about the short notice.

That tells me that even Disney cruisers must really like their booze.....and yet Disney cruisers think only Carnival cruisers are boozers. :cool: